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27-12-2009, 23:28   #1
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Is Lamping Legal

Can anyone point me to the legislation refering to lamping

I've been lamping for years and full sure its legal but someone has questioned and said that lamping with a rifle is legal but using a shotgun is illegal I'm pretty sure this is wrong but would like some evidence to back it up.
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27-12-2009, 23:39   #2
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Hi the NARGC insures it members for the lamping of foxes so yes its legal. As for the shotgun side of it maybe its the noise factor other person was refering to as most people i know that lamp use moderated rifles
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Section 38 of the Wildlife Act, 1976 as modified by Section 45 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act, 2000 makes it illegal to use a lamp to hunt protected wild birds or protected wild animals.

Wild animals or birds which are not protected are not covered by that section.
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28-12-2009, 19:01   #4
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There are also some exceptions where a special licence (a section 42?) has been granted, which is usually seen with hunting deer at night.
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28-12-2009, 21:01   #5
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There are also some exceptions where a special licence (a section 42?) has been granted, which is usually seen with hunting deer at night.
There's a farmer I know gets a section 42 for deer with lamping on it. A mate of mine is the nominated stalker on it. the permit was easily enough obtained, but its entirely up to the discretion of the ranger and the ammount of damage being done by the deer.
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this a quote from the NARGC website, see link http://www.nargc.ie/site.aspx?language=ENG


"LAMPING FOXES - THE LEGAL POSITION

Section 45 of the Wildlife (Amendment) Act 2000 amends Section 38 of the 1976 Act which applied to the use of lamps, mirrors, dazzling equipment etc., for the purposes of hunting. Section 38 of the '76 Act was substituted by this completely new Section. The amendment states that it will be illegal for any person to hunt any protected wild animal or protected wild bird while using a lamp, light, torch, mirror or other artificial dazzling device. Also prohibited are any devices for illuminating, image intensifying or heat seeking, night sights, or any device which the Minister may declare as coming within this category.

It will be lawful to use such devices while ringing or marking or while hunting for educational or scientific purposes under licence issued by the Minister. The Minister may amend or revoke an order made under this Section. The most important thing for hunting people to know about this Section is that the ban on the use of lamps and the other equipment mentioned, applies only to protected wild birds and protected wild animals. Therefore, contrary to what some people would assert, and have asserted in the past, even people in regulatory positions, it is not illegal to hunt by lamping foxes or rabbits, neither of which are protected and no licence is necessary. This is a question which comes up again and again. However, please note that while it is not illegal to lamp a fox or rabbit from a public road for the purposes of shooting, it most definitely is illegal to shoot from a road. This has always been the case and this distinction needs to be emphasised here. The shot should be taken from inside the field and then at a distance of not less than 60 yards (measured in meters now) from the road and shooting away from the direction of the road. Legally, lamping and shooting are two distinctly different acts."[/I][/I]
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that sums it up thanks
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There are also some exceptions where a special licence (a section 42?) has been granted, which is usually seen with hunting deer at night.
Yes section 42 it is, not usually an auto licence to lamp,that is a seperate part of a sec42 which is all as said down to NPWS discretion and more usual with hunting Deer out of season than in darkness
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if your a member of the nargc and your local club do you still have to get permission of the land owener aswell or letters of permission to lamp foxes
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On KFM (Kildare local radio), the presenter, Clem Ryan, recently stated on-air that lamping is illegal. This is the public perception it seems. Clem was commenting on a caller to the station complaining about the disturbing use of lamps at night in her area. There was no reply from any hunting club, association or individual to clarify and correct Clem's error.

I've been lamping over 30 years. Here's to the next 30!!
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If it is illegal there will a good few on here heading for the electric chair

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There was no reply from any hunting club, association or individual to clarify and correct Clem's error.
That's the problem with shooting's PR in Ireland - folks would prefer to ignore PR as though noone had to do it, and keep the head down and keep quiet, thinking that it'll all go away if noone says anything. They miss the point that when they do so, everyone outside the sport gets whatever picture non-shooters paint of it, regardless of factual errors in that picture.
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30-12-2009, 22:27   #13
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On KFM (Kildare local radio), the presenter, Clem Ryan, recently stated on-air that lamping is illegal. This is the public perception it seems. Clem was commenting on a caller to the station complaining about the disturbing use of lamps at night in her area. There was no reply from any hunting club, association or individual to clarify and correct Clem's error.

I've been lamping over 30 years. Here's to the next 30!!
Sure contact them and prove them wrong.

studio@kfmradio.com

http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-radio/kf...clem-ryan.html
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Perhaps somebody could post a typical response here that we could copy and paste it and send it to them.

It might prevent somebody from sending a ranting email to the.

I'd do it myself, but TBH I'm not the best at formal writing.
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Jonty, that's a very constructive suggestion but sadly, still no help for us.
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