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03-01-2008, 11:50   #1
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Back of House Extension

Hi Guys,

I live in the park and was just wondering does anyone know if it's possible(or already been done) to put an extension on the back of your house, I presume it could be done to the lower level of the house with not much bother but just wondering if it is possible to extend the upstairs of your house also, I'm presuming there would be difficulties or red tape to get through as our house and I presume the majority of everyone else's house share's a roof with the house next door that extends the back of the lower level of the house.

Tks a mill for any input or guidance
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03-01-2008, 12:01   #2
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you would need the permission of the management company (though as we've seen recently they lack teeth if you do ignore them).

Extending the downstairs (or adding a conservatory as some have already done) wouldn't be a big deal but extending the upstairs would have a massive impact on your neighbours, and may not be technically possible given the timber-framed construction of our houses (actually that may apply to extending downstairs as well) - its a non-runner I'd say.
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cheers loyatemu, I had a builder friend around at the house last night, he reckons with a bit of work and alot of money it would be possible to extend the upstairs also. I'm going to contact the management company to see there thoughts on it, although they will probably have a slingshot and lazy response of 'it can't be done', as far as I can tell they're a useless crowd but I'm going to pursue getting the extension..will update thread with progress just in case anyone else is thinking about it..
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04-01-2008, 10:52   #4
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Wicklow County Council have recently refused planning for such an extension for a property in the Woods

http://www.wicklow.ie/ePlan/Internet...um_file=071994

Reasons Given:
1. “The proposed development would seriously (a) injure the amenities and (b) depreciate the value of properties in the vicinity because the proposed development by virtue of its scale, appearance and visual impact would be out of harmony and character with existing development in the area and contrary to proper planning and development of the area.

2. The proposed development would seriously depreciate the value of properties in the vicinity because having regard to the window, door and balcony in the north elevation the development would result is severe overlooking of these properties.
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I would have to say this is not a good idea. it would be terrible for the neighbors on either side. An attic conversion is one thing but we all have small enough gardens as it is without having to go out and have a wall the length of it on one side. I don't think permission would be granted for this for this reason as the impact would be too high on your neighbors. A conservatory at most is all I think most of the houses can take in the estate to be honest. I would just advise you to be careful as this is the kind of thing that can end you up in court with your neighbors. One case I know of the extension had to be taken down so just be careful before you do anything.
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07-01-2008, 10:49   #6
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Thanks for advise Coolhand but we're actually a 3 bed so it would really only affect 1 side of our neighbours and due to the site location we wouldn't block any of their sun or light , mightn't be the prettiest for them but it's not the worst... if the council can approve 3 storey houses overlooking charlesland i don't see why they'd have a problem with a little extension in one of the houses
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"little extension"
Thats developer speak!
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Are you in a 3 bed semi? ie only one house backing on to yours?
I am in one and was toying with a similar idea - got an architect friend in to talk to him about it, and after he stopped laughing said I would not have a hope in hell of getting planning for it - going for a conservatory instead.
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07-01-2008, 22:55   #9
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The second schedule of the Lease of Easements, wherein each Lessee (ie each house owner) covenants the following, is very clear:

14 Alterations

14.1 Not to make any alteration in or to the sold premises without the approval in writing of the Lessor and the developer or the management company of the plans and specifications submitted to the Lessor and the developer or the management company for approval and to make those alterations only in accordance with the said plans and specifications when so approved and to obtain at the Lessee’s own expense all licences planning permissions and other things necessary for the lawful carrying out of such alterations and to comply with all regulations applicable generally and or to the specific works undertaken.

14.2 Not without prior consent in writing of the Lessor and the developer or the management company make any alterations or additions whatsoever (structural or otherwise) to the private garden forming part of the sold premises or to carry out any development within the meaning of the Local Government Planning and Development Act 2000 or use the private garden forming part of the sold premises in such a manner as to be or become a nuisance or annoyance to the Lessors and occupiers of any of the other houses or units or to detract from the amenities of any of the other houses.
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going for a conservatory instead.
There goes your conservatory based on Sky Captain's 14.2 point!

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14.2 Not without prior consent in writing of the Lessor and the developer or the management company make any alterations or additions whatsoever (structural or otherwise) to the private garden forming part of the sold premises or to carry out any development within the meaning of the Local Government Planning and Development Act 2000 or use the private garden forming part of the sold premises in such a manner as to be or become a nuisance or annoyance to the Lessors and occupiers of any of the other houses or units or to detract from the amenities of any of the other houses.
I think you guys should confirm that you both have the same lease...I will be checking mine in the meantime.
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There goes your conservatory based on Sky Captain's 14.2 point!



I think you guys should confirm that you both have the same lease...I will be checking mine in the meantime.
Double checking today, but unlike most of the other houses in charlesland these ones are freehold, not leasehold..
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08-01-2008, 08:41   #12
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But when you signed your contract for your house, the clauses Sky Captain quotes would have made up part of it.

It may not be clause 14 and it may be worded slightly differently, but it'll definitely be there.
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several houses in the estate already have conservatories so even if the lease does forbid them, it appears the management company aren't doing anything about it.
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08-01-2008, 12:59   #14
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I dont want to get anyones back up but the way I see it is that if you start by seeing if your neighbour (you only have one that is joined to you) would agree to do the same thing to his/her property. I alsom think it would look better.

This would reduce the costs by a large margin (planning, design, construction etc.), and increase the value of both properties. If all of the people that would be affected are in agreement the management company might be convinced.

Having happy neighbours is always best!!

If this worked I would bet many others would look at doing it also.

Good luck with it!!
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only really practical if (like daveco) you're in a back-to-back house. Otherwise your neighbour would in turn have a another neighbour on his far side.
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