Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Harry Palmr · 14-08-2019 1:50pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Can you not see that that’s the main reason they picked her as their mouthpiece. Any criticism will be met with attacking a child nonsense.

The Illuminati? Mossad? Hillary Clinton? Who who?

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:51pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So you believe she did it all single handed?

Just answer the question please Sir.:rolleyes:

shesty · 14-08-2019 1:51pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Many people would wholeheartedly support the concept of addressing the issue but we also understand it really takes time. Some people just don't want to wait.

This right here.

It takes time.It has to be done yes, and the sooner the better but jesus, it is not going to happen next week or next year.

The only criticism I have of Greta Thunberg is that given her youth, I really wonder does she have any idea of how much cost and impact on people's lives this causes.I mean, great, she is sailing across the Atlantic on a "green" boat.That's lovely.Does she have any clue how much that thing costs?And the fact that there is a member of the Monaco royal family aboard, who has lived the high life since the day he was born....it kind of dilutes the whole picture a bit.

To bring it to a more practical level, in the life of everyday normal people though....I am all for doing everything we can to change things.But for example....my car.Electric vehicles are the new amazing thing-fine.I have not a hope in hell of affording an electric vehicle in the next 5 years at least.Probably longer.Or affording one that fits three small kids (if one exists).I just don't have the money.Public transport is not an option for me to commute.So I will have to just continue polluting the atmosphere with my diesel car.It's nice that the Government are encouraging electric vehicles and everything but not everybody has the wherewithal straight away to make the change.

I just wonder does Greta make the connection between what she calls for and how it will take a LOT of time ...years.....before it can trickle right down to the ordinary person to make the big changes she calls for, because we aren't all made of money.

CrankyHaus · 14-08-2019 1:53pm

two wheels good wrote: »

Greta T has been in the news for months. You're commenting on media hype surrounding a topic you've only heard about today. Can't you see a contradiction?
And your phrase "1 percenter child, with fairly simplistic positions" is yet another casual dismissal of her campaign.
I think your recent arrival to the topic prompts me to dismiss your views on it.

Only the enlightened demi-gods like you may have an opinion on this so? Suit yourself. I've already made far more of a contribution to this discussion than your sniping has.

I was aware of the climate strike but, being wary of how entertainment increasingly masquerades as news, I instinctively avoided the more hype filled coverage of the personalities involved as there are far more important things to pay attention to. From the links in the first page of the thread I was able to catch up quickly by reading up on her today.

She seems like a genuinely well intentioned person but my concerns about her background remain. Ayone can be a zealot for immediate action if it just means they go from a Porsche 911 to a Tesla S for their 17th birthday present, the representatives at the UN have more serious sacrifices to discuss.

Tell me how · 14-08-2019 1:55pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Can you not see that that’s the main reason they picked her as their mouthpiece. Any criticism will be met with attacking a child nonsense.

Nobody 'picked' her.

She has rightly gained popularity for the following reasons.

Persistence.
Consistency of message (listen to the science).
She is doing what she can do.
Non hidden agenda.

Some of the reactions to her (recent Australian commentator for example) read like a Simpson's charactaeur.

cgcsb · 14-08-2019 1:55pm

Why is her coming from a wealthy background problematic for people? Ok so rich people are more empowered to make more environmentally friendly choices because our economy is set up to make unsustainable choices cheap. That's why she speaks to world leaders rather than ordinary folks who have less options at their disposal.

Gatling · 14-08-2019 1:57pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So you believe she did it all single handed?

Did what exactly .

She should be commended rather than people going on about some agenda ,
She's young and decided she wanted to make a change and is doing just that , standing up and making her voice heard not just for herself but all of us ,

If only more youth doing the same we could actually see real change in climate awareness, social reform and policies reform ,
Would you let your child/children do what she's doing

Hector Savage · 14-08-2019 2:03pm

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The fact the Greta Thunberg is young is the point. It’s her generation that mine and the previous generations have f’ed over by our recklessness. She’s become a symbol for that.

When she found out the dangers her generation faces, she got depressed. Instead of remaining depressed, she took action and, with the Youth Strike, created a movement that just might have an impact on our politicians today. She’s a symbol of action, not words, and with the clock ticking towards a climate catastrophe, that’s exactly the kind of thing we need.

So did Boyan Slat - and he started a company that is cleaning up the oceans plastic, and it's working !!

No one gives a sh1t about him tho, he doesn't virtue signal enough.
And I know I am banging his drum a lot, but it really pisses me off that he gets FA regognition!

Eric Cartman · 14-08-2019 2:05pm

Nermal wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving.

Because it's obvious she's being deliberately built up by the media.

The attention she gets is not 'organic', it's orchestrated. It helps the media in getting clicks from supporters and from detractors, and it helps manufacture consensus for an environmental agenda. It's transparent manipulation. Of course that will make people mad!

It's a bizarre phenomenon. Since when did we value the opinions of children?

We never did, but as a female child , any criticism of her can be instantly shut down without answering any questions which is what her tax hungry puppetmasters want.

jackboy · 14-08-2019 2:13pm

Tell me how wrote: »

She has rightly gained popularity for the following reasons.

Persistence.
Consistency of message (listen to the science).
She is doing what she can do.
Non hidden agenda.

A significant reason that she has gained popularity is the intense promotion by her parents. Other people of influence have jumped on the bandwagon and have joined in with this promotion.

She is probably genuine but she is being manipulated and used. She is widely reported to have had significant mental health issues in the recent past. All this high profile public attention is probably putting her under a lot of stress. I have reservations about the way she is being treated (remember she is still a child).

Feisar · 14-08-2019 2:16pm

Firstly her message is solid, we globally need to change or we are funked.

Now what sticks in the craw of average Joe's like myself is the holier than thou attitude while sailing about the world pretending to be green. What's the carbon footprint of producing one of those boats? Prince on Monaco on board for the craic, sure why not? I wonder what his carbon footprint was last year?

shesty has made the best post in this mess so far.

Very easy for Greta to tell us how to live, does she have any concept of the economics in play?

MarquisDeSad · 14-08-2019 2:23pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The fact the Greta Thunberg is young is the point. It’s her generation that mine and the previous generations have f’ed over by our recklessness. She’s become a symbol for that.

When she found out the dangers her generation faces, she got depressed. Instead of remaining depressed, she took action and, with the Youth Strike, created a movement that just might have an impact on our politicians today. She’s a symbol of action, not words, and with the clock ticking towards a climate catastrophe, that’s exactly the kind of thing we need.

So did Boyan Slat - and he started a company that is cleaning up the oceans plastic, and it's working !!

No one gives a sh1t about him tho, he doesn't virtue signal enough.
And I know I am banging his drum a lot, but it really pisses me off that he gets FA regognition!

He gets alot of media attention. Him being ignored is all in your head.

Aoife2017 · 14-08-2019 2:26pm

With the mass population of reality stars/ influencers/ Kardashians /love islanders etc, I think it’s refreshing that teenagers have someone like Greta to aspire to. Whatever the thoughts on the cause, at least she’s setting a positive example for an age group that seem to have very little to choose from these days.

seamus · 14-08-2019 2:35pm

Feisar wrote: »

Very easy for Greta to tell us how to live, does she have any concept of the economics in play?

Honestly, the economics are irrelevant.

It's like complaining about the price of a Big Mac while the ocean waves are banging up against the front door of the McDonalds.

No, nobody can really make the change quickly, and governments need to work on ways to assist.

But we also need to wake up to the reality that this is not going to be easy. Our costs are going to go up. Our standard of living will probably drop, we'll probably all move back to having one car, not two. We cannot continue living our lives the way we do, and combat climate change.

We will have to change the way we live our lives, because otherwise it's all for nothing.

All the complaints that you can't afford an eco-friendly car for your kids, or that your chinese-made iPhone has 50% carbon tax on it will seem ridiculous when you have to watch your grandchildren face the prospect of actual extinction within their lifetimes.

CrankyHaus · 14-08-2019 2:42pm

seamus wrote: »

Honestly, the economics are irrelevant.

It's like complaining about the price of a Big Mac while the ocean waves are banging up against the front door of the McDonalds.

No, nobody can really make the change quickly, and governments need to work on ways to assist.

But we also need to wake up to the reality that this is not going to be easy. Our costs are going to go up. Our standard of living will probably drop, we'll probably all move back to having one car, not two. We cannot continue living our lives the way we do, and combat climate change.

We will have to change the way we live our lives, because otherwise it's all for nothing.

All the complaints that you can't afford an eco-friendly car for your kids, or that your chinese-made iPhone has 50% carbon tax on it will seem ridiculous when you have to watch your grandchildren face the prospect of actual extinction within their lifetimes.

Or perhaps even go down to one Ocean Racing Yacht per family, not two.

The economics are absolutely relevant and in fact are essential to making climate policies work.

How much tax avoidance does Monaco facilitate each year and how much of a contribution would this money make towards climate policy?

MarquisDeSad · 14-08-2019 2:44pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

seamus wrote: »

Honestly, the economics are irrelevant.

It's like complaining about the price of a Big Mac while the ocean waves are banging up against the front door of the McDonalds.

No, nobody can really make the change quickly, and governments need to work on ways to assist.

But we also need to wake up to the reality that this is not going to be easy. Our costs are going to go up. Our standard of living will probably drop, we'll probably all move back to having one car, not two. We cannot continue living our lives the way we do, and combat climate change.

We will have to change the way we live our lives, because otherwise it's all for nothing.

All the complaints that you can't afford an eco-friendly car for your kids, or that your chinese-made iPhone has 50% carbon tax on it will seem ridiculous when you have to watch your grandchildren face the prospect of actual extinction within their lifetimes.

Or perhaps even go down to one Ocean Racing Yacht per family, not two.

The economics are absolutely relevant and in fact are essential to making climate policies work.

How much tax avoidance does Monaco facilitate each year and how much of a contribution would this money make towards climate policy?

This is a cop out argument.

jackofalltrades · 14-08-2019 2:53pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Why is her coming from a wealthy background problematic for people? Ok so rich people are more empowered to make more environmentally friendly choices because our economy is set up to make unsustainable choices cheap. That's why she speaks to world leaders rather than ordinary folks who have less options at their disposal.

Wealthy people with more disposable income are significantly more insulated from the economic costs of climate change.
It's going to be far less of an issue for them.

seamus wrote: »

Honestly, the economics are irrelevant.

It's like complaining about the price of a Big Mac while the ocean waves are banging up against the front door of the McDonalds.

No, nobody can really make the change quickly, and governments need to work on ways to assist.

But we also need to wake up to the reality that this is not going to be easy. Our costs are going to go up. Our standard of living will probably drop, we'll probably all move back to having one car, not two. We cannot continue living our lives the way we do, and combat climate change.

We will have to change the way we live our lives, because otherwise it's all for nothing.

All the complaints that you can't afford an eco-friendly car for your kids, or that your chinese-made iPhone has 50% carbon tax on it will seem ridiculous when you have to watch your grandchildren face the prospect of actual extinction within their lifetimes.

The economics are irrelevant

The economics are the most important part of this debate.
If it was a cheap easy fix we'd have done it already.
How do you expect someone to buy a car they can't afford?
No amount of concern for the future will make up for the fact that if you can't afford something then you can't afford it.

CrankyHaus · 14-08-2019 2:55pm

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

This is a cop out argument.

No it's not. It's highlighting that the biggest challenge of our times needs more than a bunch of rich people swanning around in their super yachts to solve it.

We have a global economy based on ever increasing consumption. This model will have to be removed or significantly reformed to address climate change. The Thunberg family and their friends are part of the elite of this system, they profit from it and perpetuate it, and real change will not come from them.

MarquisDeSad · 14-08-2019 3:04pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

This is a cop out argument.

No it's not. It's highlighting that the biggest challenge of our times needs more than a bunch of rich people swanning around in their super yachts to solve it.

We have a global economy based on ever increasing consumption. This model will have to be removed or significantly reformed to address climate change. The Thunberg family and their friends are part of the elite of this system, they profit from it and perpetuate it, and real change will not come from them.

It's a cop out argument. Nothing will be done with your attitude.

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 3:06pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

The Thunberg family and their friends are part of the elite of this system, they profit from it and perpetuate it, and real change will not come from them.

Now you're just spouting off the top of your head. Classic doublespeak

;);)

:pac::pac::pac:

weldoninhio · 14-08-2019 3:09pm

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

He gets alot of media attention. Him being ignored is all in your head.

I'd literally never heard of him before this thread.

CrankyHaus · 14-08-2019 3:14pm

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

It's a cop out argument. Nothing will be done with your attitude.

"something must be done"
"This is something"
About sums up the level of your reasoning.

weldoninhio · 14-08-2019 3:15pm

Why is the kid not in school?? I know it is the summer, but shes been droning on for months, if not years now.

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 3:17pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why is the kid not in school?? I know it is the summer

:):):):pac:

Gatling · 14-08-2019 3:17pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why is the kid not in school?? I know it is the summer, but shes been droning on for months, if not years now.

Home schooled ?

suicide_circus · 14-08-2019 3:18pm

ah leave her at it. she'll have a great career as a UN ambassador eating pyramids of ferrero rocher on private jets.

One eyed Jack · 14-08-2019 3:22pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Greta is receiving ferocious criticism, which means a nerve has been struck. The personal attacks from some quarters highlighting her autism are unwarranted. I don't doubt her sincerity for a minute. Good luck to the young woman.

The child herself isn’t receiving ferocious criticism. It’s the adults who are putting a child in the position they have done for their own gain, are receiving ferocious criticism, and rightly so. Attempting to use a child as a shield to hide behind is an attempt to shield their own beliefs above criticism while using a child to represent those beliefs at the same time. People have been doing it since baby Jesus. It’s not new.

Also, because “Asperger’s syndrome” is perceived as a modern affliction in Western society, it wasn’t their critics who introduced that into the discussion, it was the people who are promoting her as a modern Messiah - it adds value to their social currency among those people who share their political beliefs.

I don’t for a minute doubt her sincerity either. I am however absolutely cynical of the adults who surround her and promote her as the modern Messiah. That’s what I find perverse about the whole thing, the attempt to have people look the other way while there is enormous sums of money and politics involved in the “climate crisis” movement.

If it were as benign as you’re making out that it’s just a child who wants to make a difference and change the future for young people of her generation, I’d say fair play and I’d absolutely get behind that and encourage them in every way. But this so-called “movement” bears all the hallmarks of a cult, frankly.

Thargor wrote: »

I get a very disturbing vibe from people like the OP and loons that show up ranting about her in any climate change threads, not suggesting paedophilia, but it's just bizarre that a young girl with an interest in environmentalism or politics triggers such intense negative feelings in so many adult males, this isn't just 'oh Leonardo DiCaprio or Al Gore are at it again', they're literally foaming at the mouth over it and flinging slurs at her and her family. Why? Something definitely not right about it.

The OP referred to the child as a “climate saint”, hardly vitriolic compared to much of the nonsense emanating from the people who are using the child to further their own beliefs about those who do not support their beliefs. This child is being presented to the UN where they will be expected to appeal to a room full of middle-aged and old men so your notions that you get the creeps from her critics, also apply to those people who are pimping her out to old men to further their own beliefs. Anyone can do what you’ve just done and present a narrative in a way that suits them to paint those opposed to their beliefs as unsavoury types.

It’s not the child herself that evokes any kind of a reaction (at least not among critics of the cult; for cult followers she is their Messiah - a positive symbol of hope so to speak). It’s the adults attempting to shield themselves from criticism for their beliefs by using a child that I’m critical of. A young person with an interest in environmental issues and politics is good. A young persons interest in environmental issues and politics being exploited by the adults who surround that child for their own gain - that’s worthy of criticism in and of itself, apart from any criticism of their beliefs.

MarquisDeSad · 14-08-2019 3:23pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

He gets alot of media attention. Him being ignored is all in your head.

I'd literally never heard of him before this thread.

Yes.. And there are people who haven't heard of Greta thuneberg before this thread.

He isn't being ignored. As the other poster is claiming.

MarquisDeSad · 14-08-2019 3:24pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

It's a cop out argument. Nothing will be done with your attitude.

"something must be done"
"This is something"
About sums up the level of your reasoning.

Nope

Your argument is a cop out. I've seen it hundreds of times before on this site and others.

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 3:25pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'd literally never heard of him before this thread.

You may not have but the UN and Forbes had. You seem to love him but have an issue with the female activist :eek:

Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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