New fertiliser spreader

Zeebsisgone654 · 18-02-2019 12:12am #1

Any recommendations on makes as old spreader has packed it in , could be repaired but I want to change

older by the day · 18-02-2019 1:29am

Get something easy to put on, i have a bigger Amazone and its a curse to put on, i got a small 8 bag raunch and I never put on the big one

hopeso · 18-02-2019 1:58am

What acreage are you covering, and how many ton of fertilizer are you putting out each year? There’s a huge range of spreaders available, so it’s impossible to recommend something without knowing your requirements.....

charolais0153 · 18-02-2019 2:38am

The red one is best

GrasstoMilk · 18-02-2019 2:39am

older by the day wrote: »

Get something easy to put on, i have a bigger Amazone and its a curse to put on, i got a small 8 bag raunch and I never put on the big one

How do you find it hard to put on? Have a 2t amazone here and I would have it on in 5 minutes

Buford T. Justice XIX · 18-02-2019 2:46am

In terms of price and accuracy, a Bogballe was best value for a 1T spreader. Rauch and Amazone were 2 grand dearer at 6k when I bought a good few years ago but were much easier to wash afterwards and better finishes too. The Bogballe has inserts for each corner that are a right pain for falling off too.

They're big enough spreaders but gives a good indication of differences.

Zeebsisgone654 · 18-02-2019 2:51am

I’m spreading 30 to 35 tonnes per year

oxjkqg · 18-02-2019 9:13am

We went with a Teagle spreader.
Worked out fairly competitive.
Hydraulic open and shut and has a funny hydraulic border control.
Plastic hopper, its a well made spreader to be fair.
If you want the muts nuts its the Amazon or the Bogballe but the Teagle is a good value machine, spread circa 50 tonne a year here.
It is easy set up to spread seed with aswell, did a nice bit of that last year too and its good.

Bass Reeves · 18-02-2019 9:43am

oxjkqg wrote: »

We went with a Teagle spreader.
Worked out fairly competitive.
Hydraulic open and shut and has a funny hydraulic border control.
Plastic hopper, its a well made spreader to be fair.
If you want the muts nuts its the Amazon or the Bogballe but the Teagle is a good value machine, spread circa 50 tonne a year here.
It is easy set up to spread seed with aswell, did a nice bit of that last year too and its good.

Bought a Teagle X48 in the middle of last year. It is a basic machine but will hold over a ton of fertlizer ( when there is a bit in it you can put two more half ton bags in). It was about 3500 with a cover. The boundary spreader is manual on mine. Really happy with it easy to set up and looks well made.

Siamsa Sessions · 18-02-2019 3:54pm

Apologies for piggybacking on this thread but what would you recommend for someone spreading 10-ish ton a year?

And don't say, "get someone in to do it" - I tried this and it didn't work out :-)

Something that'd hold 7-8 x 50kg bags would probably do.

Thanks.

patsy_mccabe · 18-02-2019 4:01pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Apologies for piggybacking on this thread but what would you recommend for someone spreading 10-ish ton a year?

And don't say, "get someone in to do it" - I tried this and it didn't work out :-)

Something that'd hold 7-8 x 50kg bags would probably do.

Thanks.

I bought a Cosmo PDV 500 last year for €1,650. It has a vicon gearbox. Only downside is it doesn't quiet take 500kg, more like 450Kg. So a big bag ovefills it a bit. You can get a hopper extension.

bogman_bass · 18-02-2019 4:41pm

First thing is get something that will hold a half ton bag.

Have a half ton Amazone ZA-F here that’s still going well after 25 years and stored outside

Can’t say if the newer ones are better or worse

lab man · 18-02-2019 5:05pm

Go Rauch if u can twin spinner there is a second hand one for sale in limerick in dd

charolais0153 · 18-02-2019 6:18pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Apologies for piggybacking on this thread but what would you recommend for someone spreading 10-ish ton a year?

And don't say, "get someone in to do it" - I tried this and it didn't work out :-)

Something that'd hold 7-8 x 50kg bags would probably do.

Thanks.

Have a cosmo wagtail here for years. Holds 8 50kg bags and can throw a few more bags on top of that but only open them when the level is lower. If your using small bags,dont get a hopper ,its too hard to lift over .

Siamsa Sessions · 18-02-2019 7:46pm

Thanks as ever lads for the advice.

Is there much of a market for second-hand ones? (I’ll look at the one on DD later tonight)

Or is it the kind of machine where you’d be better to bite the bullet and splash out on a new one altogether?

bogman_bass · 18-02-2019 7:58pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Thanks as ever lads for the advice.

Is there much of a market for second-hand ones? (I’ll look at the one on DD later tonight)

Or is it the kind of machine where you’d be better to bite the bullet and splash out on a new one altogether?

Plenty of perfectly reasonable half ton machines out there if you don’t want bells and whistles

Bass Reeves · 18-02-2019 8:15pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Thanks as ever lads for the advice.

Is there much of a market for second-hand ones? (I’ll look at the one on DD later tonight)

Or is it the kind of machine where you’d be better to bite the bullet and splash out on a new one altogether?

I think it is better to splash out on a new one unless you are very good at repairing machinery. Even then I would still consider a new one. Lads that dose my silage is very good mechanically and bought a small 1/2 ton twin disc spreader for 4-500 euro I cannot remember but it cost him another 300 in parts and about 8-10 hours to repair. There is a few lads doing refurbs on them but you are buying a 10 years old machine at best at 50% of a new one. There is a lot of rubbish second hand one's

Last second hand one I paid 800 euro for got about 10 years out of it. It was a a wagtail, in the 8-10 years I had to replace bearings, get the frame welded, replace the spout when it got damage by the bearings being gone and had to replace the little deflecter on the spout twice when it got broke. The bottom of the fibreglass hopper started giving trouble as well. I thing I had spend 300ish on it as well as 6-8 hours every year on maintenance over and above normal maintenance.

Siamsa Sessions · 18-02-2019 8:52pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Plenty of perfectly reasonable half ton machines out there if you don’t want bells and whistles

I don't want any bells and whistles anyway - the more simple the better!

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I think it is better to splash out on a new one unless you are very good at repairing machinery. Even then I would still consider a new one. Lads that dose my silage is very good mechanically and bought a small 1/2 ton twin disc spreader for 4-500 euro I cannot remember but it cost him another 300 in parts and about 8-10 hours to repair. There is a few lads doing refurbs on them but you are buying a 10 years old machine at best at 50% of a new one. There is a lot of rubbish second hand one's

Last second hand one I paid 800 euro for got about 10 years out of it. It was a a wagtail, in the 8-10 years I had to replace bearings, get the frame welded, replace the spout when it got damage by the bearings being gone and had to replace the little deflecter on the spout twice when it got broke. The bottom of the fibreglass hopper started giving trouble as well. I thing I had spend 300ish on it as well as 6-8 hours every year on maintenance over and above normal maintenance.

I'm able to figure out most stuff but would prefer not to. I'd die happy if I never knew how most machinery worked as long as it stayed working!

For the 10 tonne I'd be spreading, does wagtail vs disk matter much?

Bass Reeves · 18-02-2019 9:00pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I don't want any bells and whistles anyway - the more simple the better!

I'm able to figure out most stuff but would prefer not to. I'd die happy if I never knew how most machinery worked as long as it stayed working!

For the 10 tonne I'd be spreading, does wagtail vs disk matter much?

I only spread about that amount but fertlizer is such an expensive item it is important to maximize its benefit. There are different options there but any sort of wagtail new will cost 2K anyway. Any spreader needs to take at least a big bag. To do that it also needs 3-4'' of above the level of fertlizer to prevent spillage when spreading or a cover to prevent it.

jimmy G M · 18-02-2019 9:03pm

We have an Abbey wagtail PA700 bought new in 2004. Holds about 750kg so will take a 500kg bulk bag comfortably. Never gave any bother but I would grease bearings etc religiously and store indoors. A bit of rust now coming in the metal but still sound enough.

Trading it in to Brrabawn Athenry in the next few days for a similar sized new Agric spreader. €1,100 with old one. Actually dont know the list price of the spreader, Father did the deal, probably around €2,000?

https://www.donedeal.ie/fertiliserspreaders-for-sale/new-agric-fertiliser-spreaders/13983360

The one on the right of the pic. Avoid the ones with the extensions unless you are using bulk bags ... very awkward to load 50kg bags into them.

jimmy G M · 18-02-2019 9:05pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Any spreader needs to take at least a big bag. To do that it also needs 3-4'' of above the level of fertlizer to prevent spillage when spreading or a cover to prevent it.

I agree with that big time. One that holds the bare 500kg is too skimpy.

jimmy G M · 18-02-2019 9:13pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I don't want any bells and whistles anyway - the more simple the better!

I'm able to figure out most stuff but would prefer not to. I'd die happy if I never knew how most machinery worked as long as it stayed working!

For the 10 tonne I'd be spreading, does wagtail vs disk matter much?

Id be happy to recommend wagtail for that. They are cheaper to buy new or secondhand and will do the job grand.

Simple enough mechanically as well, only 3 bearings in them, I remember replacing bearings in an old vicon 20 yrs ago, a hell of a lot simpler than ripping the gearbox of a 2 spinner machine I had a go at once as well, all bearings, gears, etc, still have the scars..

Buford T. Justice XIX · 18-02-2019 9:16pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I don't want any bells and whistles anyway - the more simple the better!

I'm able to figure out most stuff but would prefer not to. I'd die happy if I never knew how most machinery worked as long as it stayed working!

For the 10 tonne I'd be spreading, does wagtail vs disk matter much?

A wagtail will spread accurately to 11m and a disc will go much further. For 10t, a wagtail would be ideal

patsy_mccabe · 18-02-2019 9:31pm

A fertiliser spreader is like no other machine. The fertiliser rots the metal like mad if it is not cleaned out right each time after using. You won't open old bolts, that's for sure.

valtra2 · 18-02-2019 10:25pm

Have a vicon wagtail here. It's between 45 and 50 year old. Spreads about 20 to 30 ton a year.

Bass Reeves · 19-02-2019 12:34am

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

A wagtail will spread accurately to 11m and a disc will go much further. For 10t, a wagtail would be ideal

No spreader whether disc or Wagtail spread accurately to any distance. All are based on an overlap system. If the spread with is 10 metres each side you keep 10 metres between spreading passes. What this means is that when spread around headlands 20-30% of the fertlizer is spread into the base of the ditch. This is why you will get very strong growth along the butt of a ditch or hedge. This is why more and more farmers buy a spreader with a headland or boundary function. On some spreaders you drive along the ditch or headland and turn off the disc on the headland side other tilt the spreader which drive the fertlizer into the ground over a shorter spread width.

lab man · 19-02-2019 2:27am

jimmy G M wrote:

We have an Abbey wagtail PA700 bought new in 2004. Holds about 750kg so will take a 500kg bulk bag comfortably. Never gave any bother but I would grease bearings etc religiously and store indoors. A bit of rust now coming in the metal but still sound enough.

Same as Cosmo

Grueller · 19-02-2019 7:51am

valtra2 wrote: »

Have a vicon wagtail here. It's between 45 and 50 year old. Spreads about 20 to 30 ton a year.

Exact same here. Spread 33 tonnes last year and still flying.

kk.man · 19-02-2019 1:31pm

I have an Abbey half ton here no hydraulic shut off. Great little spreader. I bought it second hand 6 years ago and it never let me down. It was fully refurbished when bought. I would buy one of them again.

bogman_bass · 19-02-2019 1:41pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I think it is better to splash out on a new one unless you are very good at repairing machinery. Even then I would still consider a new one. Lads that dose my silage is very good mechanically and bought a small 1/2 ton twin disc spreader for 4-500 euro I cannot remember but it cost him another 300 in parts and about 8-10 hours to repair. There is a few lads doing refurbs on them but you are buying a 10 years old machine at best at 50% of a new one. There is a lot of rubbish second hand one's

Last second hand one I paid 800 euro for got about 10 years out of it. It was a a wagtail, in the 8-10 years I had to replace bearings, get the frame welded, replace the spout when it got damage by the bearings being gone and had to replace the little deflecter on the spout twice when it got broke. The bottom of the fibreglass hopper started giving trouble as well. I thing I had spend 300ish on it as well as 6-8 hours every year on maintenance over and above normal maintenance.

A fertilizer spreader is a very simple machine. Once the gearbox is right and discs are good then there isn’t a whole lot else to go wrong in a basic model. Dealers yards are full of decent ones that were traded in

lab man · 19-02-2019 6:42pm

bogman_bass wrote:

A fertilizer spreader is a very simple machine. Once the gearbox is right and discs are good then there isnâ€™t a whole lot else to go wrong in a basic model. Dealers yards are full of decent ones that were traded in

Great place to go for second hand spreaders is cork lim and tipp , yrs ago I used buy them do them up and off load again the only ones that ever came back were vicon 402 602 802 models ppl usedlet them down to the ground when loading and with the long driveshaft it would bend or damage a aluminium part in the gearbox ... abbey square type spreader were a great spreader kuhn rauch great machines... I've a Rauch here bought in cam ridge 15 yrs ago for about 600 I think still going fine as said about keep inside and wash wash wash

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