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    #32
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    so whats the difference between that and what happened to jared payne or finn russell?
    they made genuine attempts to catch the ball too.but because they didn't jump they are guilty?

    If you don't jump you have to protect the player jumping


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    #33
    efb
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    It should have been yellow by the laws


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
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    Sangre wrote: »
    IRB has changed its approach since then due to incidents like the above.

    Yeah, as soon as it happened to someone other than Ulster they had to change the rules. One of the changes under the Lacey-Garces principle.


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    #35
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    Sangre wrote: »
    IRB has changed its approach since then due to incidents like the above.

    for better or worse do you mean?

    the TMO said both players, made genuine attempts to catch the ball.
    payne didn't take his eyes of the ball the whole time.
    whats the difference?


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    #36
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    efb wrote: »
    If you don't jump you have to protect the player jumping

    that is absolutely bananas.


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    #37
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    No try


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    #38
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    so just jump be default, to A) exonerate yourself from blame B) get the rub of the green if you land awkwardly.


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    #39
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    that is absolutely bananas.

    Duty of care- you can't be reckless pull out and let him fall on his head/neck


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    #40
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    so just jump be default, to A) exonerate yourself from blame B) get the rub of the green if you land awkwardly.

    It you jump late you could be in trouble. Genuinely contest the ball and protect the jumper.


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    #41
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Excellent bit of defending from the USA there. I took Kriel out of my fantasy team this week so he better not score!


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    #42
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    efb wrote: »
    Duty of care- you can't be reckless pull out and let him fall on his head/neck

    jared payne never pulled out.
    finn russell had to pull out because he was about to get a knee in the face,like habana just did.


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    #43
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    jared payne never pulled out.
    finn russell had to pull out because he was about to get a knee in the face,like habana just did.

    Habana didn't pull out he contested it fully


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    #44
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    efb wrote: »
    It you jump late you could be in trouble. Genuinely contest the ball and protect the jumper.

    i dont understand this. i played fullback.
    when a ball went up i wanted to catch the ball AND flatten the other guy.

    its a contact sport.


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    #45
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    i dont understand this. i played fullback.
    when a ball went up i wanted to catch the ball AND flatten the other guy.

    its a contact sport.

    So is boxing, you can't rabbit punch your opponent or punch him in the kidneys


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    #46
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    i dont understand this. i played fullback.
    when a ball went up i wanted to catch the ball AND flatten the other guy.

    its a contact sport.

    Suspended much?


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    #47
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Was that even a full 10 minutes Habana and Scully were off for their concussion tests?


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    #48
    efb
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    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Was that even a full 10 minutes Habana and Scully were off for their concussion tests?

    Probably real time 10


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    #49
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,358 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Oh man, Awec is gonna be pissed if that isn't a Red. ;)

    What did I miss?


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    #50
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    awec wrote: »
    What did I miss?

    Habana and the USA player both jumped for the ball, collided and landed badly. Ref went to TMO decided not a penalty, scum no punishment


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    #51
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    efb wrote: »
    So is boxing, you can't rabbit punch your opponent or punch him in the kidneys

    im agreeing with you. i just don't understand why in a transaction involving two people catching the ball one person has more culpability than the other.

    you could argue that scully was the more dangerous of the two. he left the ground of his own volition, connected with habanas face, and ended up landing arse over tit for his troubles.


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    #52
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    awec wrote: »
    What did I miss?

    a worse incident than payne on goode.........unsanctioned


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    #53
    CurryFlavoured
    Registered Users Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭CurryFlavoured


    De Villiers clearing out the ref there.


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    #54
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,925 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Who gets the credit for a penalty try? Specifically that one.


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    #55
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    im agreeing with you. i just don't understand why in a transaction involving two people catching the ball one person has more culpability than the other.

    you could argue that scully was the more dangerous of the two. he left the ground of his own volition, connected with habanas face, and ended up landing arse over tit for his troubles.

    You were talking about flattening your opponent


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    #56
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    im agreeing with you. i just don't understand why in a transaction involving two people catching the ball one person has more culpability than the other.

    you could argue that scully was the more dangerous of the two. he left the ground of his own volition, connected with habanas face, and ended up landing arse over tit for his troubles.

    The guy in the air has less control


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    #57
    sullivlo
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭sullivlo


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Who gets the credit for a penalty try? Specifically that one.

    Tends to just be listed as penalty try. It was against the USA tight head so perhaps the SA loose?


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    #58
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    efb wrote: »
    Suspended much?

    never.


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    #59
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    efb wrote: »
    The guy in the air has less control

    but he put himself there


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    #60
    .ak
    Registered Users Posts: 30,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Well today I learned you can add flags into thread titles...


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    #61
    nehe milner skudder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭nehe milner skudder


    efb wrote: »
    You were talking about flattening your opponent

    i wouldn't go up to timidly catch the ball. id jump to catch and bump off with force anyone who dared come near.


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