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Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

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  • #2642
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Montage of Feck wrote: »
    “One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.”

    ― George Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier

    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

    George Orwell, "Why I write" p. 394


  • #2643
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    biko wrote: »
    I wish I had your optimism but don't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

    Good thing it's not large groups, just loud people online mostly.

    Some Senator makes a call to reverse a referendum, happens all the time, doesn't mean it'll happen and she's not in power.

    Some Assisstant Professor makes a statement, which will never happen. Again, this guy has no power.

    What's your point?


  • #2644
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Never noticed. I'm a bit of handsome b***d myself, so ..there is that. Unlike wokies, who tend to be a bit weird looking. Yep...they have this peculiar mix of asymmetry and bitterness, often topped off with purple hair, which grates on the eyeballs after a while.

    I'm sure you can do better than that though. I can see you're just itching to point your finger and shout ' racist '. Top tip: get yourself a holiday to the UAE. The systemic racism on display there is truly eye-opening. Just the mini project for a group of righteous wokies to engage in some furious finger-wagging.

    Let us know how you get on there :pac:

    There's nothing racist about it. It's just weird the way people pick and choose when representation is important and when hiring the right person for the job is important. Like, models are more important than politicians in that sense to some.


  • #2645
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Sounds like BS to me, sorry.

    That's fine - if you happen to come across anyone working with said company ask and they'll tell you themselves


  • #2646
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Batrachotox wrote: »
    That's fine - if you happen to come across anyone working with said company ask and they'll tell you themselves

    What company?


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  • #2647
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Deleted User wrote: »
    haha, sorry but that's not going to work. The woke types tend to be masters of shifting goalposts. You'll quickly find them redefining the agreed statements depending on how they feel at that given moment.. because that's the reality they have created for themselves.

    True, but what I've found interesting recently is that I was talking to two female relatives (seperately) both mid - late 20s, always been uberliberal feminists and neither of them want to be associated with feminisim as it is now and wokeness in general, they're both embarrased by it. In mock incredulity, I told one of them to be careful or she'll be watching Jordan Peterson videos next, turns out she's a big fan of his and found one of his programs really helpful with her career. Cracked me up :D

    So people are reaching their woke breaking point. Even though they won't advertise it.

    That said, I've younger relatives who pretty much alt-right as this stage but thats a different days work.


  • #2648
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Tony EH wrote: »
    What company?

    He already mentioned it.

    C'mon man, you're falling behind. You need to pull up your socks. You're like Father Jack in the corner there.


  • #2649
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Biker79 wrote: »
    He already mentioned it.

    C'mon man, you're falling behind. You need to pull up your socks. You're like Father Jack in the corner there.

    Feck off.


  • #2650
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    pickarooney wrote: »
    There's nothing racist about it. It's just weird the way people pick and choose when representation is important and when hiring the right person for the job is important. Like, models are more important than politicians in that sense to some.


    Not sure I follow.

    My point was adverts generate suspicion to a certain degree because we know someone is trying to sell us something.

    Adverts that have a clear racial overtone are worse because what exactly is being sold to us and what happens if you mention it like you might other ads? You could be called a racist.

    Not a big deal for most of us I guess, but if you're in arts/ entertainment / public eye etc, you could have your working life seriously impacted. And for what? For nothing.


  • #2651
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    joe40 wrote: »
    What defines a "woke type" it's a strange term. Is there degrees of wokeness. For example I have no problem with gay marriage. That isn't particularly woke ( I think I'm using the term correctly), but 15 or 20 years ago that opinion would be met with ridicule.

    I'm of the opinion there are definitely silly ideas knocking around but overall when you interact in everyday situations vast majority of people are still fairly sensible.

    Even with the silly notions around today I would still prefer modern western society now than any time in the past. I certainly would not want to return to the social norms of the 1970s

    Well, I consider being "woke" as those who wish to enforce a complete change on others, forcing people into complete acceptance/compliance.

    Like your example, I have a friend I've known for decades, who is extremely uncomfortable with gay men. He's got nothing against them as such, nor does he moan/complain about them, but he'll generally avoid being around them. All the same he voted for SSM and encouraged others to vote the same. Why? Because he felt that gay people should have that right.

    The difference is in the approach. Woke people demand others to change. There's no middle ground or nuance involved. You must accept <insert agenda> completely, and without reservation, otherwise you are <insert>ism.

    My friend isn't even remotely woke. He would give people the choice in how they live their lives, but expects others to give him the same freedom to choose.


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  • #2652
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,228 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    On a very broad level, woke is Archbishop McQuaid Vs the fellow who goes to Mass Saturday evening and a few pints after


  • #2653
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,063 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Not sure I follow.

    My point was adverts generate suspicion to a certain degree because we know someone is trying to sell us something.

    Adverts that have a clear racial overtone are worse because what exactly is being sold to us and what happens if you mention it like you might other ads? You could be called a racist.

    Not a big deal for most of us I guess, but if you're in arts/ entertainment / public eye etc, you could have your working life seriously impacted. And for what? For nothing.

    You'll only see a 'clear racial overtone' in an ad if you're looking for it. If there's an ad with 10 white people it's just an ad but if there's a black guy in it there's something suspicious?


  • #2654
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    pickarooney wrote: »
    You'll only see a 'clear racial overtone' in an ad if you're looking for it. If there's an ad with 10 white people it's just an ad but if there's a black guy in it there's something suspicious?

    The flips side, though, is where you see a host of ads where you see a husband/wife routine, and the husband is shown as a complete moron. I've seen a couple of insurance ads recently, all from the same company, where the wife is exasperated at the overly idiotic behavior of her husband.

    It's like all the ads that were around in the 50s/60s showing women as clueless or beauty pieces, and the men as being all-wise, excellent, etc. There seems to be a lot of ads these days showing men as total muppets.


  • #2655
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,076 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The flips side, though, is where you see a host of ads where you see a husband/wife routine, and the husband is shown as a complete moron. I've seen a couple of insurance ads recently, all from the same company, where the wife is exasperated at the overly idiotic behavior of her husband.

    It's like all the ads that were around in the 50s/60s showing women as clueless or beauty pieces, and the men as being all-wise, excellent, etc. There seems to be a lot of ads these days showing men as total muppets.


    Would be interesting if they ran a 'minority' male so to speak in such ads how they would get the hate directed at them and ban it within 24 hours.


  • #2656
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The flips side, though, is where you see a host of ads where you see a husband/wife routine, and the husband is shown as a complete moron. I've seen a couple of insurance ads recently, all from the same company, where the wife is exasperated at the overly idiotic behavior of her husband.

    It's like all the ads that were around in the 50s/60s showing women as clueless or beauty pieces, and the men as being all-wise, excellent, etc. There seems to be a lot of ads these days showing men as total muppets.

    That's been going on since the 80's.


  • #2657
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    I think cranking at advertisements being a bit woke is lame enough. The concept of advertising has always been discriminatory insofar as its' mere existence is to expose a product to a wider customer base. By all means necessary.

    I saw some posters complaining about multiracial advertisements, I don't really get what is so woke about having a television advertisement campaign which involves multi-ethnicities ? It make perfect commercial sense to me.

    What marketing directors need to be careful of, is that don't bite off more market share than they can chew? The reality is that a lot more caucasian men ( oops sorry WOmens) will be purchasing Levi's or Tommy Hilfiger Jeans and jock-style jumpers than will gangster types from Slough, Bradford, Sau Palo or Compton? Common sense is required in the marketing boardroom or I will be required to fire your ass... no matter how well it looks in those jeans.

    Marketing directors cannot afford to get their asses fired, their asses are on the line all the time, they need to move their ass and get with the times. They need to shift their asses and make those jeans fit ( their asses ).


  • #2658
    COVID
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭COVID


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Would be interesting if they ran a 'minority' male so to speak in such ads how they would get the hate directed at them and ban it within 24 hours.

    Not sure if that would be interesting at all really, it would be seen as 'punching down', which is never funny, it just comes across as bullying.

    If you're young, ask an 'oldie' about 'punch down' specialists such as Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson.

    Though I'm told that Les Dawson's mother-in-law jokes were quite good, which is 'punching up' of course.


  • #2659
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,988 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    V8 Interceptor, don't post in this thread again. There's complaining about 'wokeism' whatever that is and then there's outright racism. That's not accepted here, simple as.


  • #2660
    COVID
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭COVID


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I think cranking at advertisements being a bit woke is lame enough...


    ...What marketing directors need to be careful of, is that don't bite off more market share than they can chew? The reality is that a lot more caucasian men ( oops sorry WOmens) will be purchasing Levi's or Tommy Hilfiger Jeans and jock-style jumpers than will gangster types from Slough, Bradford, Sau Palo or Compton? Common sense is required in the marketing boardroom or I will be required to fire your ass... no matter how well it looks in those jeans.

    Marketing directors cannot afford to get their asses fired, their asses are on the line all the time, they need to move their ass and get with the times. They need to shift their asses and make those jeans fit ( their asses ).

    Don't take this the wrong way, or do if you want, but I like your asses.


  • #2661
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    COVID wrote: »
    Don't take this the wrong way, or do if you want, but I like your asses.

    All my asses are woke.

    They are woke asses.


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  • #2662
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    pickarooney wrote: »
    You'll only see a 'clear racial overtone' in an ad if you're looking for it. If there's an ad with 10 white people it's just an ad but if there's a black guy in it there's something suspicious?

    I said suspicious of intent - not suspicious of content. You either struggle with comprehension or you wilfully misinterpreted what I wrote.

    Given Wokies religious fervour with regards to social justice, I'll go with option B.

    Nice try.


  • #2663
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That's been going on since the 80's.

    Just Seemed to be more of that type of ad than before.


  • #2664
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just Seemed to be more of that type of ad than before.

    Nah. I clearly remember that kinda stuff from years ago. It's an old comedy trope that goes back years. Eric Sykes and Hattie Jacques were doing it in the 60's. Terry and June (and nearly every other comedy show) in the 70's. It's just an extension of the old straight man/funny man act for a 2 minute commercial.


  • #2665
    COVID
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭COVID


    Not forgetting 'Fawlty Towers' - 1975 to 1979 - where Sybil runs rings around Basil every time, so no, not a new thing at all.


  • #2666
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Guys, I'm not suggesting that it was a new thing.. nor am I talking about comedy sketches. I'm referring to the advertisements. I know it's been around for a long time.. I was simply referring to how many ads seem to be doing it these days. Yes, there's always been ads of that type, but it appeared (to me) that there were more now than before (or perhaps there's less showing the woman as being an idiot, and therefore the moronic guy is more noticeable.)


  • #2667
    COVID
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭COVID


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Guys, I'm not suggesting that it was a new thing.. nor am I talking about comedy sketches. I'm referring to the advertisements. I know it's been around for a long time.. I was simply referring to how many ads seem to be doing it these days. Yes, there's always been ads of that type, but it appeared (to me) that there were more now than before (or perhaps there's less showing the woman as being an idiot, and therefore the moronic guy is more noticeable.)

    There might be something in that, particularly your last line.


  • #2668
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Irish writer recently spoke out against the woke members of the writing industry.
    The Irish author was one of 150 authors, academics and journalists to sign a letter in Harper’s Magazine in October criticising “a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favour of ideological conformity”.
    “I despise this ‘woke’ movement. Why were they asleep for so long? The same injustices were going on. It’s become a religious cult. You see people kneeling in the street, holding up their fists – that’s not going to do anything for black people.

    “Black people or transgender people should not be given a special place. They should be given the same treatment as the rest of us. God, I can hear the Twitter comments going already. Do I care? Absolutely not.”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/banville-criticised-by-fellow-booker-winner-for-saying-he-despises-woke-movement-1.4424788

    So, that's Tech and the Literary industries that are being hijacked by this cult.

    I wonder though if there is a co-relation between woke and mediocrity? Beneath the virtue signalling and rigorous finger-wagging, there appears to be an element of desperation.


  • #2669
    COVID
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭COVID


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Irish writer recently spoke out against the woke members of the writing industry.





    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/banville-criticised-by-fellow-booker-winner-for-saying-he-despises-woke-movement-1.4424788

    So, that's Tech and the Literary industries that are being hijacked by this cult.

    I wonder though if there is a co-relation between woke and mediocrity? Beneath the virtue signalling and rigorous finger-wagging, there appears to be an element of desperation.

    Yeah, I read that on this thread, post #1565, in....... November.
    Do try and keep up!


  • #2670
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    COVID wrote: »
    Yeah, I read that on this thread, post #1565, in....... November.
    Do try and keep up!

    The IT article was published in December.

    Are the laws of physics now open to subjective feelings as well?


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  • #2671
    COVID
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭COVID


    Biker79 wrote: »
    The IT article was published in December.

    Are the laws of physics now open to subjective feelings as well?

    If there's one thing worse than feelings, it's subjective feelings.

    Happy Christmas!


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