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Northern Ireland- a failure 99 years on?

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    #2912
    jm08
    Registered Users Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    downcow wrote: »
    So beltby raised this as a measure of failure.
    This little failed state will be the first country in the western world to role out the vaccine. Starting next week. What a failure lol


    A vaccine that was created in Germany by a 2nd generation Turk, funded by a US company, manufactured in Belgium and distributed in phials made in Germany.


    I wouldn't get carried away either - NI is getting 25K doses which will vaccinate 12,500 people.


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    #2913
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    jm08 wrote: »
    A vaccine that was created in Germany by a 2nd generation Turk, funded by a US company, manufactured in Belgium and distributed in phials made in Germany.


    I wouldn't get carried away either - NI is getting 25K doses which will vaccinate 12,500 people.


    Hope it works. Don't really give a fcuk who created it. Just get it out there.


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    #2914
    jm08
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Hope it works. Don't really give a fcuk who created it. Just get it out there.

    Hope it does as well, but the logistics of this one is really tricky due to the temperature thing.

    It all appears to be a bit of how great we are to be the first, but 12,500 doses is nothing. I think we all have a better chance with the Oxford one, so hopefully that one works.


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    #2915
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    downcow wrote: »
    Yes. Wednesday apparently
    Seems we are first on the world. We are slightly ahead of rest in UK as our stations are fully set up and ready to go. Just waiting on delivery
    Fair play to ye for leading the way, I taut it was a british vaccine the way ye were crowing about it, but it's a German vaccine manufactured in Belgium.
    I think the rest of Ireland will only be a few weeks behind the North


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    #2916
    BonnieSituation
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    declanflynn wrote: »
    Fair play to ye for leading the way, I taut it was a british vaccine the way ye were crowing about it, but it's a German vaccine manufactured in Belgium.
    I think the rest of Ireland will only be a few weeks behind the North

    I mean, I'm surprised they didn't delay it to get the Butcher's Apron on the vials. That would be preposterous... no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/27/no-10-reportedly-wanted-union-flag-on-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-kits


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    #2917
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    jm08 wrote: »
    A vaccine that was created in Germany by a 2nd generation Turk, funded by a US company, manufactured in Belgium and distributed in phials made in Germany.


    I wouldn't get carried away either - NI is getting 25K doses which will vaccinate 12,500 people.

    Sky talking about the army being involved in the logistics. Hopefully SF don't make an issue out of it.


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    #2918
    BonnieSituation
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    jh79 wrote: »
    Sky talking about the army being involved in the logistics. Hopefully SF don't make an issue out of it.

    Yawn.

    The SF reflex is strong in this one.


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    #2919
    jh79
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    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Yawn.

    The SF reflex is strong in this one.

    Insecure Republicans were on here whining about the Army delivering PPE hardly a stretch they might do the same about the vaccine. Would be bad PR for SF if they went down that route.


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    #2920
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,840 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    Insecure Republicans were on here whining about the Army delivering PPE hardly a stretch they might do the same about the vaccine. Would be bad PR for SF if they went down that route.

    That issue was about Swann going off on a solo run and not consulting the people he should have. O'Neill said she was willing to use anything IF it was necessary. Bad as it got in NI the army were not needed.


    https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/04/11/news/michelle-o-neill-hits-out-as-robin-swann-requests-coronavirus-help-from-british-army-1899226/


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    #2921
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    That issue was about Swann going off on a solo run and not consulting the people he should have. O'Neill said she was willing to use anything IF it was necessary. Bad as it got in NI the army were not needed.


    https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/04/11/news/michelle-o-neill-hits-out-as-robin-swann-requests-coronavirus-help-from-british-army-1899226/

    Would you be ok with the Army being involved?


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    #2922
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,840 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    Would you be ok with the Army being involved?

    In an emergency, of course.


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    #2923
    BonnieSituation
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    jh79 wrote: »
    Insecure Republicans were on here whining about the Army delivering PPE hardly a stretch they might do the same about the vaccine. Would be bad PR for SF if they went down that route.

    Yes, it's the republicans who are insecure


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    #2924
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Yes, it's the republicans who are insecure

    Get a chance to have a look at the opinion poll yet? Post a link again if you like


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    #2925
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    jh79 wrote: »
    Get a chance to have a look at the opinion poll yet? Post a link again if you like

    You're a gas man.

    Yeah I did. Did you have a question that required answering? You're hardly that insecure to require constant validation from strangers on the internet are ya?

    Poor lad.


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    #2926
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    You're a gas man.

    Yeah I did. Did you have a question that required answering? You're hardly that insecure to require constant validation from strangers on the internet are ya?

    Poor lad.

    Jaysus, the irony of that post.


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    #2927
    UDAWINNER
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    Another knuckledragger gets karma
    https://twitter.com/UTVNews/status/1334461499092381699


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    #2928
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    jh79 wrote: »
    Get a chance to have a look at the opinion poll yet? Post a link again if you like
    If a poll was Carried out in the uk on what people taut about the dup, I think it would make very interesting reading


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    #2929
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,051 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    Another knuckledragger gets karma
    https://twitter.com/UTVNews/status/1334461499092381699

    Embarrassing for his family. I understand he has Alzheimer’s. Very sad really.


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    #2930
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    downcow wrote: »
    Embarrassing for his family. I understand he has Alzheimer’s. Very sad really.

    I'd argue that a lot of his opinions and behaviours highlighted by this would predate any potential mental degradation caused by Alzheimers, Downcow. As he is a former MP for Fermanagh/South Tyrone, I'm very familiar with the man and entirely unsurprised by this.

    A worrying side effect of the lifelong peerage system, having the potential for someone with Alzheimers responsible for one of the fundamental pillars of running your country.


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    #2931
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,840 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    I'd argue that a lot of his opinions and behaviours highlighted by this would predate any potential mental degradation caused by Alzheimers, Downcow. Being a former MP for Fermanagh/South Tyrone, I'm very familiar with the man.

    A worrying side effect of the lifelong peerage system, having the potential for someone with Alzheimers responsible for one of the fundamental pillars of running your country.

    Had dealings with the man over several decades and while you could speak honestly with him, this story doesn't surprise me tbh.


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    #2932
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Had dealings with the man over several decades and while you could speak honestly with him, this story doesn't surprise me tbh.

    On his best day, argumentative and opinionated would be a fair description, often sliding into outright belligerence.

    Downcow's comment on Alzheimers is the first I've heard on the subject, and while I certainly wouldn't wish that on him should it be true, I also wouldn't accept it as an excuse or justification for his latest when he has a track record of it over decades.


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    #2933
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,840 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    On his best day, argumentative and opinionated would be a fair description, often sliding into outright belligerence.

    Downcow's comment on Alzheimers is the first I've heard on the subject, and while I certainly wouldn't wish that on him should it be true, I also wouldn't accept it as an excuse or justification for his latest when he has a track record of it over decades.

    The clause that he faces a longer dismissal if he doesn't enrol in training suggests that downcow is over egging the illness. If it was a factor it would have been used in his defence.

    I don't mind 'argumentative and opinionated' people, but you are correct, the belligerence and superior attitude was always there in the end if losing the debate.


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    #2934
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/shane-macgowan-says-he-felt-guilty-for-not-having-the-guts-to-join-the-ira-39825816.html

    Shane Mcgowan embarrassed at not having the courage to join PIRA.

    Hes not the only person who ive heard say this, if we were any good down south we'd have fought for a United Ireland and sorted it out once and for all as opposed to looking on as nationalists in Northern Ireland were treated like dirt, murdered and jailed by the British and loyalists.


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    #2935
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Maginnis' comments aren't particularly surprising; not for any political reasons per se, but the simple demographics that folk of his age and generation are less likely to be enlightened when it comes to inclusion or even basic recognition or respect towards formerly persecuted groups like the LGBTQ+ community.

    So I wouldn't be so quick to draw a line between his comments & unionism. And for sure cognitive decline doesn't cause prejudice - that's patently ludicrous - more likely it allows previously bit lips to loosen when certain filters no longer exist. "Old man is a bit of a bigot" doesn't seem especially newsworthy.


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    #2936
    saabsaab
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/shane-macgowan-says-he-felt-guilty-for-not-having-the-guts-to-join-the-ira-39825816.html

    Shane Mcgowan embarrassed at not having the courage to join PIRA.

    Hes not the only person who ive heard say this, if we were any good down south we'd have fought for a United Ireland and sorted it out once and for all as opposed to looking on as nationalists in Northern Ireland were treated like dirt, murdered and jailed by the British and loyalists.


    I can see why some might think this but think a bit about it.


    If Britain was faced with this situation almost anytime from the late 20's to 1980 certainly under Thatcher the 26 would have probably been reoccupied. You would also promote a backlash from moderate Unionists. Perhaps such an opportunity had a slim chance 3 times in that period.



    If Britain stood aside there would have been a civil war with the south and a hostile Unionist population within the new state.


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    #2937
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,840 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I can see why some might think this but think a bit about it.


    If Britain was faced with this situation almost anytime from the late 20's to 1980 certainly under Thatcher the 26 would have probably been reoccupied. You would also promote a backlash from moderate Unionists. Perhaps such an opportunity had a slim chance 3 times in that period.



    If Britain stood aside there would have been a civil war with the south and a hostile Unionist population within the new state.

    :) Thatcher had her people look at the possibility of pulling out altogether.


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    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    downcow wrote: »
    Embarrassing for his family. I understand he has Alzheimer’s. Very sad really.
    Pathetic excuse mate


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    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Maginnis' comments aren't particularly surprising; not for any political reasons per se, but the simple demographics that folk of his age and generation are less likely to be enlightened when it comes to inclusion or even basic recognition or respect towards formerly persecuted groups like the LGBTQ+ community.

    So I wouldn't be so quick to draw a line between his comments & unionism. And for sure cognitive decline doesn't cause prejudice - that's patently ludicrous - more likely it allows previously bit lips to loosen when certain filters no longer exist. "Old man is a bit of a bigot" doesn't seem especially newsworthy.
    O yeah, the dup wouldn't have any bigots in its party, it was a slip of the tongue by an old man with alzheimer's, get a grip lads


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    #2940
    pixelburp
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    declanflynn wrote: »
    O yeah, the dup wouldn't have any bigots in its party, it was a slip of the tongue by an old man with alzheimer's, get a grip lads

    Think you're spinning what I'm saying: it's well understood the DUP is more ... socially conservative, to put it politely; but Maginnis' bigotry isn't that surprising to me as a baseline either, being as he is from a generation that was already more conservative by default. Manifest as either Trump voters, Brexit voters, or voting against same-sex or 8th amendment referenda here. And no, not a slip of the tongue, just someone no longer able to keep his bigotry to himself. I think I'm just numbed to sectors of unionism being as they are.


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    #2941
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Think you're spinning what I'm saying: it's well understood the DUP is more ... socially conservative, to put it politely; but Maginnis' bigotry isn't that surprising to me as a baseline either, being as he is from a generation that was already more conservative by default. Manifest as either Trump voters, Brexit voters, or voting against same-sex or 8th amendment referenda here. And no, not a slip of the tongue, just someone no longer able to keep his bigotry to himself. I think I'm just numbed to sectors of unionism being as they are.

    Dup is more ... socially conservative, a very generous description of a party full of racists and bigots


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