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Athletics 2021

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  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    mcphilips really doesn't like the 800. brutally honest interview, 1500m juniors, leaving cert and the euro cross for him this year


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭hurdles1


    Disappointing day for the Irish their only medal chance gone. Would have to question the tactics jodie william ran smart race for bronze. Bol smart lady ran 2 seconds outside her pb in the heat for easy qualifer. Healy one hundredth outside her pb in heat has to take its toll over 3 rounds. Progress been make overall but another championship nearly over and no medals. Heffernan said these champs were the lower end of the scale and at Euros outdoor worlds and olympics our athketes are realistically looking to get out of the first rounds.
    Poor again from the studio loads of excuses and derval saying the other night great to come into a championship with loads of medal chances.... great athlete but poor pundit.
    Running pbs is great and making finals but the game like every other is about silverware and at the moment the only sports that can deliver on a workd stage are our boxers and Rowers and will get tge funding, but you woukd have to admire what Feidhlam kelly is doing and deserves backing of some sort.


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Disappointing day for the Irish their only medal chance gone. Would have to question the tactics jodie william ran smart race for bronze. Bol smart lady ran 2 seconds outside her pb in the heat for easy qualifer. Healy one hundredth outside her pb in heat has to take its toll over 3 rounds. Progress been make overall but another championship nearly over and no medals. Heffernan said these champs were the lower end of the scale and at Euros outdoor worlds and olympics our athketes are realistically looking to get out of the first rounds.
    Poor again from the studio loads of excuses and derval saying the other night great to come into a championship with loads of medal chances.... great athlete but poor pundit.
    Running pbs is great and making finals but the game like every other is about silverware and at the moment the only sports that can deliver on a workd stage are our boxers and Rowers and will get tge funding, but you woukd have to admire what Feidhlam kelly is doing and deserves backing of some sort.

    She ran faster than she ever has.

    I put it to you, what more do you expect if they literally run as fast as they ever have done?

    'running pbs is great' - yes it is great, because it shows that they put every effort they could into it. Healy was in a top class field and gave herself every chance by running as fast as she could.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭hurdles1


    Faugheen wrote: »
    She ran faster than she ever has.

    I put it to you, what more do you expect if they literally run as fast as they ever have done?

    'running pbs is great' - yes it is great, because it shows that they put every effort they could into it. Healy was in a top class field and gave herself every chance by running as fast as she could.

    Run the way Jodie williams did , she also got a pb but more importantly got the bronze medal from lane 1.... ran with a plan...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Run the way Jodie williams did , she also got a pb but more importantly got the bronze medal from lane 1.... ran with a plan...

    It’s amazing how insightful you can be from the comfort of your armchair.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭wgtomblin


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Run the way Jodie williams did , she also got a pb but more importantly got the bronze medal from lane 1.... ran with a plan...

    Williams executed a great race and always a legit threat for bronze ( a proven championship performer and medallist).. but it's hard to criticise Healy.
    In first round only 2 auto qualifiers and first 3 ran within 0.5 secs of each other. Phil didn't have luxury of running 2 secs slower than her PB.
    She can hold her head high in these Champs. She ran faster than ever before.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,966 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Running pbs is great and making finals but the game like every other is about silverware and at the moment the only sports that can deliver on a workd stage are our boxers and Rowers and will get tge funding, but you woukd have to admire what Feidhlam kelly is doing and deserves backing of some sort.

    Athletics Ireland got €1 million last year
    Swim Ireland 950,000
    Horse Sport Ireland 930,000
    Basketball 740,000
    Boxing 500,000
    Ladies Gaelic Football 485,000
    Cricket 480,000
    Tennis 450,000
    Camogie 435,000
    Sailing 410,000
    Badminton 390,000
    Cycling 420,000
    Cycling and gymnastics 340,000 each
    Rowing 320,000

    Make of that what you will, but it's clear boxing and rowing did not get the most funding.
    Infact chance of success or participation rates or anything else seem to have little to do with the level of funding if you look at that.

    Before anyone points it out, of course athletics encompasses a huge amount of sports, so if you break it down by sport, proportionally they probably don't get that much.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Run the way Jodie williams did , she also got a pb but more importantly got the bronze medal from lane 1.... ran with a plan...

    And is also a 51.2 runner for 400m outdoors... there is a reason she can set that INDOOR PB, and its not because she 'ran with a plan', its because she is a class athlete.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    One thing thats clear to me from watching this is that we probably didnt appreciate enough what David Gillick and Derval O'Rourke achieved in the 2000s.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    1st 1st 4th - a truly Irish performance.

    Jaysus!!!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    Hamachi wrote: »
    Phil Healy did so well, setting a new PB in that environment. Williams was the surprise package. On another day, Phil could have taken the bronze.

    Femke Bol is unreal. I reckon she’s already capable of a sub-50 400m outdoors. I can’t remember the last European woman to achieve that. Maybe Antonina Krivoshapka?

    Christine Ohuruogu?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Disappointing day for the Irish their only medal chance gone. Would have to question the tactics jodie william ran smart race for bronze. Bol smart lady ran 2 seconds outside her pb in the heat for easy qualifer. Healy one hundredth outside her pb in heat has to take its toll over 3 rounds. Progress been make overall but another championship nearly over and no medals. Heffernan said these champs were the lower end of the scale and at Euros outdoor worlds and olympics our athketes are realistically looking to get out of the first rounds.
    Poor again from the studio loads of excuses and derval saying the other night great to come into a championship with loads of medal chances.... great athlete but poor pundit.
    Running pbs is great and making finals but the game like every other is about silverware and at the moment the only sports that can deliver on a workd stage are our boxers and Rowers and will get tge funding, but you woukd have to admire what Feidhlam kelly is doing and deserves backing of some sort.

    To be fair, Healy had to race the heat like a final, to get a good lane for the semi final. There were 2 women in the semi finals who ran faster than Healy did in her semi who didn't qualify. Had Healy taken it easy in the heats she could have ended up in lane 2 in a semi with Bol. Game over then.

    She stepped it up tonight after a slower run in the semi. I think she ran a brilliant championships right the way through.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭hurdles1


    Hamachi wrote: »
    It’s amazing how insightful you can be from the comfort of your armchair.

    Was dissapointed for PhilHealy that she didnt medal, our only hope of one. Got out ok but got a bit lost approaching the bell , didnt comit williams did and it was game over. Phil said as much in her interview afterwards. But look she gave her all but if they ran the race again next week she would run it differenly and probably medal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Was dissapointed for PhilHealy that she didnt medal, our only hope of one. Got out ok but got a bit lost approaching the bell , didnt comit williams did and it was game over. Phil said as much in her interview afterwards. But look she gave her all but if they ran the race again next week she would run it differenly and probably medal.

    Or if they ran the race again, Klaver might run 51.3 and Healy wouldn't medal anyway.

    Klaver underperformed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭hurdles1


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    To be fair, Healy had to race the heat like a final, to get a good lane for the semi final. There were 2 women in the semi finals who ran faster than Healy did in her semi who didn't qualify. Had Healy taken it easy in the heats she could have ended up in lane 2 in a semi with Bol. Game over then.

    She stepped it up tonight after a slower run in the semi. I think she ran a brilliant championships right the way through.

    Agree, but that 24.03 split in the heat was taxing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Agree, but that 24.03 split in the heat was taxing.

    She ran 52.00 in the heat running the shortest line. She was able to go 51.94 in the final running wide. She found that bit extra.

    Had she taken it handy in first lap of heat she may not have won heat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭hurdles1


    Big Ears wrote: »
    Athletics Ireland got €1 million last year
    Swim Ireland 950,000
    Horse Sport Ireland 930,000
    Basketball 740,000
    Boxing 500,000
    Ladies Gaelic Football 485,000
    Cricket 480,000
    Tennis 450,000
    Camogie 435,000
    Sailing 410,000
    Badminton 390,000
    Cycling 420,000
    Cycling and gymnastics 340,000 each
    Rowing 320,000

    Make of that what you will, but it's clear boxing and rowing did not get the most funding.
    Infact chance of success or participation rates or anything else seem to have little to do with the level of funding if you look at that.

    Before anyone points it out, of course athletics encompasses a huge amount of sports, so if you break it down by sport, proportionally they probably don't get that much.

    Very interesting figures suppose the question is why are our boxers and Rowers so successful considering the ammount of funding in comparison to Athletics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭hurdles1


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Or if they ran the race again, Klaver might run 51.3 and Healy wouldn't medal anyway.

    Klaver underperformed.

    Klaver was dissapointing in the championship raced a lot in the weeks leading up to it probably took its toll bit like Nadia.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭hurdles1


    Could sarah Lavin go sub 8 tommorrow and make a final........


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Or if they ran the race again, Klaver might run 51.3 and Healy wouldn't medal anyway.

    Klaver underperformed.

    Yep. Klaver has already run 50.9x outdoors. If this was a year later in her development, she’d probably be peppering 51 seconds indoors.

    Phil did really well. Hopefully, she can kick on from this in the summer and post some fast times over the shorter sprints. Would love to see her take the Irish 200m record down to 22:6x - 22:7x. I think that’s in her wheelhouse.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 54,495 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Very interesting figures suppose the question is why are our boxers and Rowers so successful considering the ammount of funding in comparison to Athletics.

    Boxers haven’t been hugely successful in quite some time..

    The success has been sporadic. Few good periods here and there.

    But it gets way overrated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    hurdles1 wrote: »
    Could sarah Lavin go sub 8 tommorrow and make a final........

    It’s a big ask, but fingers crossed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Big Ears wrote: »
    Athletics Ireland got €1 million last year
    Swim Ireland 950,000
    Horse Sport Ireland 930,000
    Basketball 740,000
    Boxing 500,000
    Ladies Gaelic Football 485,000
    Cricket 480,000
    Tennis 450,000
    Camogie 435,000
    Sailing 410,000
    Badminton 390,000
    Cycling 420,000
    Cycling and gymnastics 340,000 each
    Rowing 320,000

    Make of that what you will, but it's clear boxing and rowing did not get the most funding.
    Infact chance of success or participation rates or anything else seem to have little to do with the level of funding if you look at that.

    Before anyone points it out, of course athletics encompasses a huge amount of sports, so if you break it down by sport, proportionally they probably don't get that much.

    You also have to take into account the numbers that participants in each sport. Athletics would be down the list if you took € per head into the equation.
    Just for reference GAA is approx €1m per county


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Ceepo wrote: »
    You also have to take into account the numbers that participants in each sport. Athletics would be down the list if you took € per head into the equation.
    Just for reference GAA is approx €1m per county

    Imagine if athletics was still part of the GAA. Would anything be different?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Ceepo wrote: »
    You also have to take into account the numbers that participants in each sport. Athletics would be down the list if you took € per head into the equation.
    Just for reference GAA is approx €1m per county

    Have you a source for the 1 million per county for the GAA?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Have you a source for the 1 million per county for the GAA?

    The GAA itself is probably a pretty reliable source. 2019 figure was almost 30m for all counties. Heavily skewed towards certain counties though, obviously. And obviously funded mostly through GAA revenue, not public moneys.

    https://www.gaa.ie/news/ard-stiurthoir-calls-for-county-team-expenditure-to-be-more-sustainable/


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Murph_D wrote: »
    The GAA itself is probably a pretty reliable source. 2019 figure was almost 30m for all counties. Heavily skewed towards certain counties though, obviously. And obviously funded mostly through GAA revenue, not public moneys.

    https://www.gaa.ie/news/ard-stiurthoir-calls-for-county-team-expenditure-to-be-more-sustainable/

    The original post I replied to makes it look like the GAA gets almost €30 Million a year in public funds, hence my question.

    As you say though a lot of the GAA funding isn't from public funds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭horsebox1977


    EC1000 wrote: »
    Ridiculous comment. She ran a PB in the final. What do you want her to do?

    Win a medal.

    Williams found a way from lane 1 and Healy had a faster time going into the Championships, Healy had a huge advantage over Williams with her lane draw too.

    I'm just disappointed that she didn't get a medal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Ciara Neville qualifying to semis in 60 metres. Carnage in 2nd heat as 3 disqualified for false starts


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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Win a medal.

    Williams found a way from lane 1 and Healy had a faster time going into the Championships, Healy had a huge advantage over Williams with her lane draw too.

    I'm just disappointed that she didn't get a medal.

    Williams has a faster time outdoors in the 200m and 400m than Healy. You’ve obviously read far too much into their indoor times or you don’t actually know just how fast Williams is.

    Healy literally ran faster than she ever has. Yet she should be beating a woman with a 51.2s outdoor PB?

    Be disappointed, that’s fair, but you can’t put that on her when she ran a PB.


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