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21-03-2020, 13:20   #7531
 
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I thought his performance in semi final as a defender great as attacker no good . He just not good enough hurler . Remember it took officials decision to get to all Ireland . His performance in all Ireland way out of his depth. In the last 2 championship Murphy of comer has got the better of him . County final his performance not up to it . If we are to go by how players have performed against Clare in league remember Evan Cody of the boro how he was treated .conor brown good athlete hurling very limited probably same category as Dermot Coady and I have yet to find some one that thinks he deserved to be on Kilkenny panel . Re your comment about semis final if that what you want to see Kilkenny hurling come to I rather loose I want to watch hurlers hurl the ball use there skills just like the shamrocks I think they called it puke football. I have no interest in watching puke hurling
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I thought his performance in semi final as a defender great as attacker no good . He just not good enough hurler . Remember it took officials decision to get to all Ireland . His performance in all Ireland way out of his depth. In the last 2 championship Murphy of comer has got the better of him . County final his performance not up to it . If we are to go by how players have performed against Clare in league remember Evan Cody of the boro how he was treated .conor brown good athlete hurling very limited probably same category as Dermot Coady and I have yet to find some one that thinks he deserved to be on Kilkenny panel . Re your comment about semis final if that what you want to see Kilkenny hurling come to I rather loose I want to watch hurlers hurl the ball use there skills just like the shamrocks I think they called it puke football. I have no interest in watching puke hurling
Give us what your starting team would be if we were playing championship tomorrow as your such a purist
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I thought his performance in semi final as a defender great as attacker no good . He just not good enough hurler . Remember it took officials decision to get to all Ireland . His performance in all Ireland way out of his depth. In the last 2 championship Murphy of comer has got the better of him . County final his performance not up to it . If we are to go by how players have performed against Clare in league remember Evan Cody of the boro how he was treated .conor brown good athlete hurling very limited probably same category as Dermot Coady and I have yet to find some one that thinks he deserved to be on Kilkenny panel . Re your comment about semis final if that what you want to see Kilkenny hurling come to I rather loose I want to watch hurlers hurl the ball use there skills just like the shamrocks I think they called it puke football. I have no interest in watching puke hurling

For a man who is all “facts” you’re talking some rot, Browne was centre forward for the Village all championship, Larkin marked Murphy last year in the park. Secondly you reference Evan Cody again, what about the problems he had dealing with Anthony Owens this year (or do we only judge some players off club games?).

There has never been a Dermot Coady played for Kilkenny although I think I know a man from Myshall with the nameðŸ‘ðŸ»
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I thought his performance in semi final as a defender great as attacker no good . He just not good enough hurler . Remember it took officials decision to get to all Ireland . His performance in all Ireland way out of his depth. In the last 2 championship Murphy of comer has got the better of him . County final his performance not up to it . If we are to go by how players have performed against Clare in league remember Evan Cody of the boro how he was treated .conor brown good athlete hurling very limited probably same category as Dermot Coady and I have yet to find some one that thinks he deserved to be on Kilkenny panel . Re your comment about semis final if that what you want to see Kilkenny hurling come to I rather loose I want to watch hurlers hurl the ball use there skills just like the shamrocks I think they called it puke football. I have no interest in watching puke hurling
As a defensive midfielder i would rate him very highly and could be a perfect replacement for fogarty. If we are to start re referring games over the last 10 years you could find plenty occasions where a call this way or that and maybe a different result maybe Donnelly deserved a free the year before and didn't get it limerick go down the field and win the game.truth is kilkenny blew limerick away last year in that game and a shell shocked limerick only started hurling in the second half..i do think they will blow true Munster again this year and us or galway are the only ones who could match them.
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21-03-2020, 17:52   #7535
 
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Murphy
Murphy
Delaney
Wallace
mullin
Deegan
Buckley
O walsh
Lawlor
Donnely
Walsh
Reid
Cody
Fennnely
Hogan
Would like to have a good look at 2 or 3 from oloughlins under 21 team to me they were the most impressive team I saw last year Bergin from conahy . I would like to have a good look at Jason Cleere and Tom kenny and Aidan Nolan and I would use Murphy as impact sub
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Can you stop suggesting Michael Murphy please as it just undermines your argument. He's the wrong side of 30 and while a really good club hurler he just isn't, nor has he ever been, inter county standard. No disrespect to him but there's a difference. A big difference.

Also, Huw Lawlor midfield is ridiculous.
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That team would be savaged by westmeath and Carlow let alone any of the main contenders.

No midfield and little inside forwards
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21-03-2020, 18:14   #7538
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Can you stop suggesting Michael Murphy please as it just undermines your argument. He's the wrong side of 30 and while a really good club hurler he just isn't, nor has he ever been, inter county standard. No disrespect to him but there's a difference. A big difference.

Also, Huw Lawlor midfield is ridiculous.
Totally agree. And again with no disrespect to P Walsh, he hasn't been great with his Club - Fact.
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Murphy
Murphy
Delaney
Wallace
mullin
Deegan
Buckley
O walsh
Lawlor
Donnely
Walsh
Reid
Cody
Fennnely
Hogan
Would like to have a good look at 2 or 3 from oloughlins under 21 team to me they were the most impressive team I saw last year Bergin from conahy . I would like to have a good look at Jason Cleere and Tom kenny and Aidan Nolan and I would use Murphy as impact sub
Well at last you give us your team and despite your heavy criticism of Brian Cody you have just one different player - O Walsh!!!!! Even the subs you mention have been in the panel.

So for all your arguing you contribute nothing when it's put up to you.
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I did not argue with anyone all I said as long as Cody goes down the road he is going we going nowhere . As for one difference I did not mention Leahy Murphy, keogan ,brown . Scanlon ,Walter Walsh bill Sheehan. Bill Ryan Carey ,Tommy Walsh ,Brazil Michail Cody , these are the lads I saw . No point in having lads on panel when you don’t give them chance . As for Padraig Walsh I saw him on numerous occasions play well at centre forward particularly against Ballyragget in what was one of the great games It’s what tj Would benefit from playing along side him . If the inside forward line is no good well we’re ****ed because hogan and fennely will be there and after looking at young Coady against Laois he looked so far above all others . As for midfield well can only go by what I see and listening to people that are involved with these players for Ollie The village man mark him for the last few years . Destroyed Leahy in Gowran last year and that’s from the rower lads Ans is the best passer of a ball bar none and as for Lawlor well oloughlins must know best there again saw him 2 least year against Bridge in Gowan and the ground he covered and ball he moved . He struggling at fullback at moment
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Was thinking about this earlier and said I'd throw it up here to see what the masses think.

What would your Kilkenny Club Team of the Decade be? (With a heavy senior bias)

Goalkeeper

Goalie is a very hard position to pick and one of the primary reasons for this is that our inter county goalie for most of the last decade plays outfield with his club so a usual strong candidate is immediately gone. Looking at senior since 2010 a few of the guys that came to mind straight away were Holohan (had an excellent 17/18), Derek Brennan (consistently good shot stopper until he finished in '17), Colin McGrath who was a scorer and a stopper for Martins, Stephen Murphy who has been consistent for OLG throughout the decade. I'd actually give a very tight nod to Enda Cleere based on the huge role he played in the Bridge's back to back promotions, hes been very good at the senior grade too and I think they'll miss him when he's done.

Full back line

Again if you go through all the grades over a decade your going to throw up a serious amount of good hurlers and loads of lads who have had one or two good seasons. It's probably harder to pick out guys who were excellent or close to it over a long number of years. First man i'd pick at 2 is Paul Murphy I'd say most years for the past decade people having been picking Fort to go down and Paul, Richie, Paddy Hogan and Cathal O' Neill are big factors in them staying up. At no.3 I'd go for Joey Holden I'm probably being a bit harsh on guys like John Dalton and Aylward from Mullinavat who have serious hurling done at 3 but Joey has been excellent for a number of years now for Shamrocks. I'd go with Shane Prendergast at no.4, Shane was so good in the middle of the decade he got himself onto the Kilkenny team at 27 years of age and won an All Ireland medal starting corner back, that's no mean feat, won 2 county titles with Clara too.

Half Back Line

Loads of names jumping to mind here who have been very good over the decade, Jason Cleere and Enda Morrissey with the Bridge, Kieran Joyce with the Rower, Cathal O' Neill who I mentioned above for Danesfort, Jackie absolutely huge in 2011 for the Village, Mick Fennelly a colussus the last two years with Ballyhale, Darren Mullen the same, when push comes to shove though I'd go for Conor Delaney at no. 5, I genuinely think over the last 4 years youd struggle to find a better club defender than Delaney. At 6 I'd go with Cillian Buckley who has been a huge part in the Boro's rise over the last 10 years and at 7 I'd go with Paddy Deegan who again has been excellent with OLG for the last 4 or 5 years.

Midfield

The dinner is cooking so I may speed the process up here, again theres loads of guys who have had an excellent year here and excellent year there but if im looking for consistency I'd have to go with Lester Ryan as one midfielder, hes played everywhere for Clara and is still a serious operator at club level, second man I'd go with is Michael Rice, again I think hes been so instrumental for Carrickshock over the last decade, from the highs of county finals to the dogged relegation battles hes been a standout throughout.

Half Forward Line

Again there really is a mountain of players you could put in the forwards, I'm going to start with a player I mentioned earlier Richie Hogan, Danesfort would not be senior without him and that goes without any doubt in my opinion. At no.11 I'll go with TJ and I don't think any explanation is needed there again. The Half forward line is slightly disjointed but I'm going with Eoin Larkin, Larks was literally unplayable at the start of the decade, had a dip for a couple of years and the finished the decade strong again in a deeper role with the Village.

Full Forward Line

Loads of guys in with a shout here but the first man I'd put in has been quietly doing his business for the whole decade is Eoin Reid, his ability to consistently score is huge for Ballyhale, he is so underrated in my opinion and the amount he has won is unbelievable. I'd put Gorta at no.14, it beggars belief that he is still hurling at such a high level almost 10 years after he finished with Kilkenny, he genuinely still hurls like a young lad! The final player I'd put in at No. 15 is Colin Fennelly I'd love to know how many goals he has for Ballyhale in the last 10 years, I know the last few have been particularly fruitful but hes gone from a lightning fast inside forward to an unbelievable battering ram inside and I couldnt leave him out.


Again loads of brilliant players left out, feel free to throw a few names out there yereselves, mine is by no means flawless.
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I did not argue with anyone all I said as long as Cody goes down the road he is going we going nowhere . As for one difference I did not mention Leahy Murphy, keogan ,brown . Scanlon ,Walter Walsh bill Sheehan. Bill Ryan Carey ,Tommy Walsh ,Brazil Michail Cody , these are the lads I saw . No point in having lads on panel when you don’t give them chance . As for Padraig Walsh I saw him on numerous occasions play well at centre forward particularly against Ballyragget in what was one of the great games It’s what tj Would benefit from playing along side him . If the inside forward line is no good well we’re ****ed because hogan and fennely will be there and after looking at young Coady against Laois he looked so far above all others . As for midfield well can only go by what I see and listening to people that are involved with these players for Ollie The village man mark him for the last few years . Destroyed Leahy in Gowran last year and that’s from the rower lads Ans is the best passer of a ball bar none and as for Lawlor well oloughlins must know best there again saw him 2 least year against Bridge in Gowan and the ground he covered and ball he moved . He struggling at fullback at moment
On your first line, explain what you mean by what way cody is going? Your team is nothing different except a full back midfielder and a former panelist with him who previously failed when on the panel. Delaney full back isn't going to change too much, padraig walsh could work but feel he is better half back. So where is cody going so far wrong in your mind
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Just a pint on Michail Murphy not up to inter county standard . I would have being at most senior hurling matches for the last 2 years . For me he was the best forward on view particularly 2018/19 . They only way you know if he up to standard is you try him .
It’s great to see how up to date you are with young Lawlor and midfield didn’t realise he could not play midfield I must have being mistaking when I thought he played under 21 for Kilkenny in midfield , played midfield for loug and also played midfield for Kilkenny seniors what I would like to see from midfielders they would seem to have the blend I would like and for what I herd about both of them they are very dedicated .
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What I mean about the road he going down first the players he trying being defensive more than attacking . He. Brings in players to keep selectors quite but never plays them young kenny and Nolan from the boro being prime example plus the full back from mullinvat . They way he treats players . To me no manager has the right to turn his back on a player leaving the field this something as a person I could never accept whether you win or loose . When players give there all they deserve respect remember most of his all Ireland’s were won with the greatest panel of players ever I have no doubt there were plenty of people would have succeeded. Think of all the genuine players that gave there all for Kilkenny and were denied all Ireland medals because he had his village players in that had no right to be there . That includes his sons There again some genuine players David blanchfield sheflin have showing there better players than village players . Remember we just out of league and 2 big matches we were found wanting the defeat in Wexford was the worst defeat I have seeing in any sport 2 pints up with 20 minutes to go and a gale in your back and we take of the only forward we had as for Clare I suppose you were at it we might have got a draw but that was Clare doing not ours and there we had to watch the same old thing hit it and run after it . I do accept we are limited with first 15/20 but when a team goes out with no plan no coaching . To me to see the difference in standard between Wexford and Kilkenny was alarming . When you see people like leister Ryan and the way he was treated and he still does it to players . When you look how easy the shamrocks make it with proper coaching
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Also funny Savannah disappeared when codyout appeared
Still here just hiding in the long grass. Made my point did not feel the need to continue making it but have quite enjoyed the banter between Codyout and most of you. I do not agree that Cody is pro village to the exclusion of other clubs or that he should be replaced but he has to do more to correct the problems with our forwards and our forward play. I agree with Codyout we are stagnant, reachig an AI semi final is not an acceptable goal and there are many players out there who should have been given a decent chance not least being Tom Phelan. After Reid, Fennelly, Donnelly, and possibly Ryan we have nothing
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