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25-11-2015, 11:09   #1
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Galway were at about 75% today and beat Kilkenny rather easy in the end. I think Kilkenny will fear a Galway team at 90%.

That Galway team were not at 75%, they were flying into every tackle. They are easily the best team, but were mad for it today.
This galway team is on the go 4 or five years there way ahead of us at the minute.they've a settled team and no real injuries.we are trying to blood lads like mossy,delaney etc.we're missing kevin kelly,aylward and hogan and colin was poor today and tj wasnt as effective today.we have 2 weeks to get things right because wexford is now a must win.look at the difference between conor whelan and scanlon or sheehan.we hung in there for 55 mins untill their strenght and bench told and our heads dropped after that we'll learn from it and concentrate on wexford
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That Galway team were not at 75%, they were flying into every tackle. They are easily the best team, but were mad for it today.
They did what was required to win the game. That was Galway today playing at 75%. They would up their game again if they had to.
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They did what was required to win the game. That was Galway today playing at 75%. They would up their game again if they had to.
I would say they were at 83% .....

Why does their percentage of requirement matter so much to you?
It doesn't matter, they were a long way better than the KK team, all over the pitch.
KK wont win the all Ireland, the vast majority of KK supporters know that, so theres no need to come in trying to ram that down peoples throats...
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Infairness most supporters yesterday before the match were looking for a good performance with maybe a 5 or 6 point defeat and maybe if our goal stood earlier in the match things could of being slightly different but galway had a few goal chances aswell.
We all were worried bout the full back line but padraig and deegan were good.
The problem yesterday was our fowards were cleaned out we couldnt win any puck outs or breaks galway were much sharper.
If wexford beat galway this weekend and we beat wexford and galway beat dublin it'll come down to scoring difference is it?
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Infairness most supporters yesterday before the match were looking for a good performance with maybe a 5 or 6 point defeat and maybe if our goal stood earlier in the match things could of being slightly different but galway had a few goal chances aswell.
We all were worried bout the full back line but padraig and deegan were good.
The problem yesterday was our fowards were cleaned out we couldnt win any puck outs or breaks galway were much sharper.
If wexford beat galway this weekend and we beat wexford and galway beat dublin it'll come down to scoring difference is it?
Same rules as the league, so it will go to score difference in that case.
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The biggest disappointment I had from yesterday’s game was our lack of scores from play. Cody will learn a lot from the game and the young players will come on for the game. Pitch was terrible. We are a long way behind Galway on yesterday’s game. I hope we improve as the championship progresses. The 2 weeks break will do us good hopefully.
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The biggest disappointment I had from yesterday’s game was our lack of scores from play. Cody will learn a lot from the game and the young players will come on for the game. Pitch was terrible. We are a long way behind Galway on yesterday’s game. I hope we improve as the championship progresses. The 2 weeks break will do us good hopefully.
The lack of scores from play is a major concern. That's two games - Dublin and Galway, where we have been really poor. Are our forwards really that bad that they cannot move into some space and create scoring opportunities.? What are they working on in training.
There is little to no movement from the kk forwards
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The lack of scores from play is a major concern. That's two games - Dublin and Galway, where we have been really poor. Are our forwards really that bad that they cannot move into some space and create scoring opportunities.? What are they working on in training.
There is little to no movement from the kk forwards
Inexperienced more than bad I think.

I mean imagine if the Kilkenny team of even 2011 to 2012 came up against a forward line with two forwards who have 2 years left at under 21 and two 22 year olds, you would sort of expect them to clear that forward line out regardless of how promising those players were.
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Its a consequence of how high our half back line are playing as well. If they're playing higher than our 65 as they were for large parts of yesterday then the midfield pushes up 10 yards and so does the half forward line reducing the space for anyone to move into. The lack of open space in our forwards compared to the acres in front of our full back line was noticeable yesterday. Caused in the main by Canning dropping into midfield and Bucks following him instead of passing him off to Fogarty and sitting back in a pocket.


Also what Topcat said
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Another worry is Buckleys use of the ball in the last 3 games which has been atrocious

Scanlon was the big/only real positive today
I highlighted before about Buckley poor striking & distribution, hurting Kilkenny at present. Teams are putting him under big pressure when he gets on the ball and finds it hard to get rid of it, most teams are well aware of this.
Conor Fogarty is the same, gets turned over a lot in possession, terrible in possession compared to David Burke & Johnny Coen,Richie Leahy & James Maher cleaned Tipp in the league final and should be Kilkennys midfield.

Luke Scanlon hurled well yesterday along with Walter Walsh who is obviously not 100%. Walter laid on the ball for Luke who got fouled for the peno. Scored a dissollowed goal and another at the end. Massive influence on the game.

Kilkenny style makes it very hard for forwards to express themselves. Only have 2/3 in there own half at any giving time. Half forwards play deep and if the full line doesn't win it first time up kk usually turn over possession
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That Scanlon looks a promising player.Scored a great point out on the wing first half.
Walter Walsh's goal was spectacular.
KK should beat Wexford at Home after they exhaust every sinew vs Galway!
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I highlighted before about Buckley poor striking & distribution, hurting Kilkenny at present. Teams are putting him under big pressure when he gets on the ball and finds it hard to get rid of it, most teams are well aware of this.
Conor Fogarty is the same, gets turned over a lot in possession, terrible in possession compared to David Burke & Johnny Coen,Richie Leahy & James Maher cleaned Tipp in the league final and should be Kilkennys midfield.

Luke Scanlon hurled well yesterday along with Walter Walsh who is obviously not 100%. Walter laid on the ball for Luke who got fouled for the peno. Scored a dissollowed goal and another at the end. Massive influence on the game.

Kilkenny style makes it very hard for forwards to express themselves. Only have 2/3 in there own half at any giving time. Half forwards play deep and if the full line doesn't win it first time up kk usually turn over possession
Daithi Burke should really have got a straight red.He has form,ripping off Bonners helmet a few years ago.And Ref bottled it massively by failing to book McInerney.
Leahy certainly should start.
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We’ve seen all but one team (Waterford) in action in the provincial championships at this stage. Have we anyone to really fear based on the evidence to date? I think not. We beat Dublin by 2 points, so did Wexford, but Pat Gilroy is quoted as saying Dublin never got to the intensity of the previous week. Galway beat Offaly by 12 points and scored five goals. We beat Offaly by 9 points and should easily have scored 5 goals or more and finished with 21 wides. Yes scores on the board are the ones that matter, but we’re not too far behind Galway. Galway conceded 2-15, we conceded 1-13 to Offaly. Galway are not too far behind us in the defensive duties either. You’d expect the reigning All-Ireland champions to be still slightly ahead of a young transitional team, especially playing in their own patch, (all four results yesterday were home wins), and the stats are slightly in their favour, but a week might tell a story. It will be interesting to see if the week off helps or hinders them. The important thing is to continue developing and being competitive.

In Munster, the two teams that beat us in the League Cork and Clare went head to head. Of the two in the league, Cork was the one that probably got away and yet they were the deserved winners against Clare. Tipperary look in bother. Limerick still have ammunition with the Na Piarsaigh lads to return, but that could be a double-edged sword. All in all we are in with a very good shout and we are in bonus territory in 2018. However, we have a lot of impatient supporters to please. One poster has already referred to it. The giving out about lumping the ball down on the forwards aimlessly last year. Now we are playing a different type of game, more high risk for defenders and lads are still complaining. Yes, Joey made two mistakes yesterday, but he wasn’t the only one. Some supporters might have been gone to the toilet when the others erred. We have now won 8 competitive games in a row plus one national trophy. Not bad for a young developing team with a developing game plan. The constant has been the full back line and yet the constant complaints have been about the full back line.

Personally, my main wish for the Leinster Championship is that Offaly beat Dublin and Dublin are relegated. Not that I bear any malice towards Dublin, but I think it might be the factor (because of the money element) that will make HQ rethink the stupid and unfair relegation system in the Leinster championship. I don’t believe if Offaly are relegated it will set alarm bells running with the suits.
Galway were the better team on the day. As Brian Cody always says, the scoreboard doesn’t lie. We in Kilkenny have to remember we are in bonus territory with a developing squad. Most informed observers reckoned Galway were still a few points better than us at this stage, but there is still a few months left in the season. Up to about 10 minutes to go we were still there and in with a chance, our young players certainly gave me great optimism for the future with the way they took to the battle against the most physical team in the country at the moment and the reigning All-Ireland champions. Observations…

We’ll get the course out of the way first. The rough was challenging and the bunkers deep. Even the greens could have been better. Pearce Stadium however is bigger in area than both Nowlan Park and Croke Park, but the conditions definitely suited a more physical and bigger team with the low ball option not ideal in those circumstances.

Kilkenny and Offaly were the first counties to play three consecutive weekends with this new format. Neither showed the energy of previous games. Is it a coincidence? These are amateur players who have day jobs during the week playing to a professional level. There is bound to be a certain affect factor. Davy Fitzgerald referred to this too. Galway had a two weeks coming into this game.It will be interesting to see how the counties that have games four weeks in a row get on and how they get on subsequently as well. These stats are important to look back at come the year-end review of this format.

I previously referred to the “constant” that was the Kilkenny full back line. Just saying… Joey Holden is not popular with a lot of supporters, but the stats tell a different story with the demise of our unbeaten run. Popularity is not always a good thing. One very popular player once again got on plenty of ball but the distribution was poor again. I refer to Cillian Buckley. When he makes this type of mistake there seems to be a massive queue of Kilkenny fans at the toilets and they miss it. Scores conceded did result. If Cillian improves this part of his game, it will be immense for the team and I have no doubt he will, but let’s not overlook where he is now when nit picking other backs.

At inter county level there is a fine line between success and failure. I believe our young players are coming along nicely. There are learning and will continue to learn. If Martin Keoghan had batted that ball in the first minute like a more experienced player rather than swung the hurley, who knows. The fact is he didn’t, but the fact also is, he also got into that position with the ball.

The Galway penalty. I’m struggling to see it on the few viewings I’ve seen. Conor Whelan took 7 steps in possession of the ball. Two Kilkenny players bottled him up. A penalty is awarded. Paddy Deegan is yellow carded. Why Paddy Deegan and why not Padraig Walsh as well?Did I miss something that he did different to Padraig? There were two players involved. On the Sunday Game last night they raved about how three Tipp players bottled up a Cork player in the second half. This was deemed brilliant stuff. Yet nobody picked up on the harshness of the penalty decision in the same context or maybe the hypocrisy of the penalty award. I have no doubt had that taken place further out the field in the modern game, the free would have been for over carrying. Those are the breaks, those are the fine lines. On the other hand, the two disallowed goals, one for Galway and one for Kilkenny were both correct calls and excellent officiating with referee working with umpires.

A number of posters have said Wally was our best forward yesterday. I hate to criticise any player, But I did think Wally had a poor game yesterday by his standards. He fumbled a lot of ball. Burke catching the ball above his head should not have happened. Colin Fennelly was poor when introduced maybe highlighting why he wasn’t started. Paul Murphy started well, but as the game wore on he returned to the misjudgements that blighted his last two years, one in particular stood out. TJ was kept very quiet. The point being a lot of our more experienced players were not good overall. Yet we were well in the game with 10 minutes to go against the reigning All-Ireland champions and favourites, so I conclude our new players must be coming along nicely.

I hope and expect the Wexford game to be like an old fashioned Leinster Semi-Final. Obviously, if Wexford beat Galway we are pretty much banjaxed as regards winning Leinster, but if that happens it will undermine Galway outside Salthill and still make that last game important to win in Nowlan Park against a county playing their fourth week in a row. If we finished level on points with Galway and Wexford but fail on scores, I will be disappointed but not too disappointed as it will show that is not much between any county. If we make a Leinster Final in Croke Park against Galway, we can do better. Galway will still not look forward to that proposition.

The biggest disappointment for me over the weekend was Offaly’s capitulation against Wexford and the margin of defeat and their red cards.Suddenly survival against Dublin looks bleak and with it a review of the relegation format.

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The lack of scores from play is a major concern. That's two games - Dublin and Galway, where we have been really poor. Are our forwards really that bad that they cannot move into some space and create scoring opportunities.? What are they working on in training.
There is little to no movement from the kk forwards
Inexperienced more than bad I think.

I mean imagine if the Kilkenny team of even 2011 to 2012 came up against a forward line with two forwards who have 2 years left at under 21 and two 22 year olds, you would sort of expect them to clear that forward line out regardless of how promising those players were.
I agree the easy thing yesterday to do was start colin and hogan but the only way donnelly and mossy will improve is getting game time.ive no doubt donnelly and these lads will be very good hurlers in a few years yesterday was always going to be a huge ask but there seems to be a hangover since the league final.
We're unlucky to be down hogan,kelly and alyward at the moment but the week off should help us and we should be fresher and playing at home will help.
Youd expect a few changes the next day leahy and colin will probably start in attack instead of mossy and donnelly and hopefully aylward back on the bench and hogan to make an appearance.Kevin kelly is making his way back and hopefully cleere can make the match day panel
Just wondering was morrissey deserve to be substituted yesterday?joey done well when he came on it must be said.
Hopefully we'll learn more from defeat yesterday but the last few matches our fowards are struggling we'll need a big improvement for the wexford match.
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