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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    So it's not to shake off the green eyed monster?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    That's Mount Auburn! Sister in laws folks live around the corner from you! Nice machine by the way



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    This is my hybrid. It's the bike I was riding when attacked by that dog in Clare.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ***** Does not compute ***** Unless you're a 1950's American car designer? 😁 They made some cool cars then. Great looking space age futuristic monsters with all mod cons, big power, air conditioning that actually worked, wafting along in comfort at speeds European car makers could mostly only dream off. And then promptly fell over in corners, or become unwilling off roaders. Though with their incredible freeway system they were rarely enough upset by corners at speed. Even their motor racing heritage reflects that. Either straight line drag racing, or just one endless corner on oval tracks like Roman chariot racing. The economics of advertising played as much of a part in that too. A drag or oval race means the paying audience can see all the action and the advertising and when telly took off...

    Meanwhile in Europe where motor racing started on twisting narrow public roads originally designed for horses and feet between well heeled types the audience and advertising was much less a thing and oval racing never really took off. Neither did drag racing as European race cars were generally smaller engined and lighter and designed to get up twisty roads carrying as much momentum as possible through the bendy bits. A European audience was pretty badly served. Usually only a grandstand at the start finishing line, where you'd sit there listening in the distance to unseen sound and fury until the cars came back around again. The Nurburgring an extreme example of that. Twenty miles in old money of track where there are few places you can actually see the cars.

    Still, it meant European(and Japanese for similar reasons) cars were very good at roadholding(going around corners faster) when compared to American cars and because they were lighter, better at stopping too and because of smaller engines they had to become much more efficient. EG some US V8's at five litres had less power than some European two litres. Old style Porsche 911's are a great example of making the best out of a bad lot. Pretty small capacity engines and the engine was in the worst place it could be for going around corners well, behind the rear wheels. Yet they made that work bloody well. Well, until they stuck turbos into them in the 80's. I've driven an 80's 911 turbo and I swear it's a road traffic accident with a steering wheel. Scary at any sort of speed. Though the scary crown for me was an early 80's Renault 5 Turbo. rear engined, rear wheel drive, turbo, in a car that feels eight foot wide and two foot long with either bugger all grip, or none, depending... Unpredictable isn't in it. You could carefully park one in your driveway for the night only to awaken the next morning to find it upside down in your neighbour's hedge with a lit Gauloises hanging from its radiator grill.

    I've sometimes wondered would Tesla have taken off so quickly if they'd started off as a European based brand? Their big selling point for many in the US was their incredible drag racing acceleration in a straight line and American media focused on that a lot because that is so much part of their culture. In Europe it's not, so I suspect it would have been more of a sideshow. For car enthusiasts anyway. It's only pretty recently where Tesla's were even able to finish a run around the Nurburgring without going into limp mode, the brakes would fade and they were appallingly bad in the corners(huge weight doesn't help there). Then again Tesla took that to heart and improved massively in the last two years. Though I personally think the Nurburgring is not a great judge and too many manufacturers(and people) use it as a standard.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Wow, have never seen a long informative post from Wibbs here with the words "quartz crisis of the 70s" somewhere 😂

    Most important part of a car imho is the interior, tesla interior is poxy. Reminds me of a van.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    My hybrid goes round corners fine but I stopped using it as my main touring bike after a spill from a skid going down a hill in Galicia in wet and cold conditions. After that I bought a bike with disc brakes for touring which being all steel is probably a bit too heavy for the kind of touring I do these days.

    I might get something lighter with discs this year and if things get back to normal the likelihood of that happening will increase considerably. If and when it happens I will give my new bike the full FitzII treatment on here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Cyclingtourist "I will give my new bike the full FitzII treatment on here."

    What that supposed to mean? I am sure the thread can get back to posting photos of Biggles magazine's soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    It means he’s very jealous and would like us to drool over his bike like we are drooling over your car.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Ah I know Scwazrh, but my buzz cannot be killed at the moment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "What that supposed to mean?"

    Teaser (trailer) and then the main feature with views from every angle.

    Biggles???? Never a big fan but I can see how he appealed to young boys in the 1930s when flying was still a novelty.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Well actually, in 1977.... 😁

    Interior is very important alright. For me as a driver it's my body's points of contact with the car that are most important. How my hands, feet and arse fit and feel the car. Cars have improved immeasurably in comfort, power and safety, but on the other hand feel has dropped off too. I just can't get on with electric power steering for example. It always feels dead to me. McLaren agree and use leccy to drive an hydraulic system to get that feel back.

    IMHO Audi make about the best as a general thing. Germans usually get it very right,Japanese brands rarely do. American vary a lot, but tend towards cheap feeling(that can be simple local sales economics too. For a long while the interiors of US sold cars and European could be chalk and cheese in quality). I see your point about the Tesla, but again I'd say it's because it's American IT/"clean"/California style and deliberately so to appeal to that set where it finds many of its fans(fart noises, Mars GPS and silly names for modes ditto). Plus it makes for fewer points of squeaking and noise. That's much easier to hide in an ICE car. It's overall cheaper to produce with it. The huge ipad on the dash is much cheaper to test and build and update than old style knobs and buttons, while looking more expensive and "futuristic" at the same time. But yeah it can look bland.

    The giant ipad in the centre thing is a bit mad. I can rightfully get done for looking at my phone while driving yet if it did strike me driving the Tesla that it could be equally or more of a distraction for some. I myself was taken a little too much by looking at it on a motorway section as the guidance stuff was showing the cars around me. You'd get over that soon enough I suppose.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,727 ✭✭✭893bet


    If ye ignore someone entirely I have noticed his trolling posts and less and less. No point wasting bandwidth.


    I need an excuse to visit the big smoke to see this machine. I was thinking about it and if I was in Fitz position I w prob end up in a **** ford mondea



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Alfie 'Biggles' Byrne who BTW was a avid cyclist in his day.




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I think Tesla were dead right to go with that interior. If they went with a standard interior they'd just be another car manufacturer, just electric motors. Going all out different made it feel like you were getting into a spaceship. Unless you drove vans, then it feels like a van with a big ipad. But i guess their customer base don't drive vans 😂.

    Funny about the American market for high end sports cars. They're mad for manual cars because they're seen as specialist driving cars. Even though they're pretty much phased out. People will pay more for the last few manual models of a car even though they don't perform as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "If ye ignore someone entirely I have noticed his trolling posts and less and less. No point wasting bandwidth."

    Good advice. Thanks.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I suppose we could say the same of mechanical watches versus quartz/Apple watches and the like. The latter are far superior by pretty much every metric save for longevity or the deliberately engineered lack of it, but there's a sense of an increasing lack of engagement with and attachment to the things around us, or at least a different sort of engagement and attachment. So a fair number of us want something of that engagement and attachment back, even if it's at the level of artifice. I mean if somebody said to you a few years ago that some cars would have fake vroom vroom noises played into a car's cabin, or ECU's electronically adding artificial bangs and pops to an exhaust, or even fake steering feedback you'd have likely thought it a joke. So some hankering after an old style gear knob isn't so far down the road of daftness. Certainly in a second, 'weekend' type car. Or even the idea of that sort of thing. I remember reading somewhere that for the majority of flappy paddle gearbox cars the owners play with it for the first week or so and then leave it in Drive from then on in.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "but there's a sense of an increasing lack of engagement with and attachment to the things around us, or at least a different sort of engagement and attachment."

    Absolutely, I tend to buy watches in the price range where if it's broke I will probably just replace or discard rather than have fixed. Not when it comes to cars though. I spent around €600 over the last month on repairs to my 2004 Fiesta which I might get €800 for if I put it up for sale.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Definitely. Always annoyed me with motorcycle reviews, they always take the big 4 Japanese brands around a track and proclaim the fastest the best.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Our relationships with cars as individuals and societies is so much more complex than our relationships to watches(or many other things), and what they say about us or what we are trying to say to the world, or not. It's like a different planet. Cars are so many more things to so many more people. From basic A-B transport, all the way to obsessions in some, even a mix of all in the same car. The 20th century was many things and many thing vy for the title of most important, but cars are high on the list of the thing of the 20th century. It changed society and cities and country and attitudes. It cartainly spilled into the 21st, but I suspect they'll not be nearly so important to society or individuals as they once were. I was reading an interview with James May and he noted that in the UK the number of teens applying to get driving licences has followed a strong downward trend over the last decade. I can see that being repeated in many places worldwide, especially in smaller or high density living areas. Increasing regulations and autonomous systems will add to the decline. If cars were invented today the regs around them would likely be so tight that there would be far fewer people allowed to drive. As it happened historically they became ubiquitous before they became regulated so the horse had long bolted(aircraft very nearly went the same way, but they never became as cheap or ubiquitous so remained the preserve of the very wealthy and professionals and regs got in first). The car may very well go the way of the horse, a hobby played out by a minority on closed roads at the weekend.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    +1 Now they might be The Best around a track knee scraping in the corners, but might not be so great if you want to take a trip from Galway to Dublin. That's my issue with cars and 'Ring time chasing. You can see that in pushbikes too. The stripped down all carbon Tour De France job, with a razor saddle that will lead to emasculation in male riders and a riding position that belongs in a BDSM porn shoot being proclaimed The Best, and they are, if you're a 23 year old lump of chemically augmented sinew wearing a gaudy shirt for sponsor's money, but jaysus you wouldn't want to pedal to work on the thing.

    Cars are a much better at being all things to all people to be fair. And have become that way because of technology. Not so long ago if you wanted a very fast, extremely capable car the compromise was it would feel like sitting on a fillings rattling, spine crushing rollerskate and would be about as reliable as a baby's arse. Sooner or later it would poo itself. Expensively. Nowadays you can go from comfort to ohfcuktheregoesmylicence with a flick of a switch in many cars out there. What amazes me are the wheels and tyres. Rubber bands on 19 and 20 inch rims and your bones don't crumble to dust if you drive over a pothole. Now that energy has to go somewhere, but bugger me if I can see where. Modern suspension is that good, even though some of the basic designs are a compromise(like McPherson struts). though I do think we've become more used to stiffer car suspension overall. Old style comfort is not so much in play. It's pretty much a meme in the car world now, but if you ever get the chance to drive or sit in a (well sorted)1960's Citroen DS with its hydropneumatic setup, take it for contrast. Oh. My. God. It's floating on a cloud like. It can be as much a shock to modern car drivers as a Tesla's crazy acceleration is.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Both bicycles (and tricycles) and cars started as methods of transport and enjoyment that could only be enjoyed by the wealthy.

    R. J. Mecredy, who is often described as 'the father of Irish motoring' wrote and published extensively on cycling till around 1895 he became interested in motoring.

    In 1909 he published a book called 'Health's Highway' which was a kind of self-help book on how to stay healthy. The main theme is the importance of fresh air and exposure to the elements. night and day. This was something Mecredy didn't just preach but practiced, building a tent like structure in the garden of his house in Bray where he lived and slept most of the year.

    In the book he advocates motoring as a fresh-air activity which it very much was in those days. Here's a couple of illustrations from my copy.

    Mecredy's gardener doubled as his chauffeur.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,527 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    If you have something interesting to share, do it any way you please and no need to name drop me at all



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    No problem in future I won't but I'd just like to remind you of your own name dropping of me when you were under attack from a troll. I'm still waiting for a personal apology for being identified as some malicious sockpuppet.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    There was a craze among daft buggers for "fresh air" back then. Walking around in the nip 'sun bathing' was big too. Fresh, IE freezing cold air was seen as a cure all. TB? Fresh air halfway up an Alp. or in a fever hospital with the windows open or left out in your bed in the snow.

    Funny enough this 'fresh air' stuff was usually only to be found among the more Puritan north of Europe. Expunge your sins through discomfort in the face of God type thing. Your warm and Catholic southern Europeans tended to avoid the nonsense. We picked it up from the British.

    Then again at the same time a load were drinking radium tea for health so... Quackery was a big thing in mainstream medical circles, noted at the time by many in it.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭fulladapipes


    The need for ventilation and its relationship with health drove many innovations in housing design. Even in Dublin, if you look at some of Herbert Simms' beautiful flats from the 1930s, you'll note balconies the width of a single mattress so during warmer months (if any) TB sufferers could sleep outdoors.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Wibbs "There was a craze among daft buggers for "fresh air" back then. Walking around in the nip 'sun bathing' was big too. Fresh, IE freezing cold air was seen as a cure all. TB?"

    Yes 'Health's Highway refers to the treatment of TB and the inference is that fresh-air and sunlight kills the tubercular bacilli therefore it's a preventative medicine also. There are two ads in the back, one for a sanatorium for treating private TB patients and another for a 'Health Home' offering physical culture, air/sun baths, reform diet and open-air chalets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭fulladapipes


    I got a digital dash on my new Campervan as well, Fitz. The viewing permutations are endless (-ish). I'm still awaiting the vrt bill on it...



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You fancy bastards with your digital dashes. Well I do have a digital clock, LED too. None of your muck here. Though in any sort of sunlight it tells me it's 88:88 o'clock.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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