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06-12-2018, 00:27   #46
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It depends on the actual reason and only once 1% of the entire scheduled service (over each 4 week period) has been cancelled would there be an under payment.
So what you are saying IE can allow mass cancellations and get away scot free. Have they lost PSO on strike days or have the NTA spun that line to the media as well?
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So what you are saying IE can allow mass cancellations and get away scot free. Have they lost PSO on strike days or have the NTA spun that line to the media as well?
Once it is no more than 1% then yes.

Yes it is true they are deducted payment when there is a strike/industrial action involving their own staff, if they are affected by striking staff of a third party they do not get penalised, so for example if a maintenance contractor was on strike and caused cancellation they are not penalised, from the PSO contract:-

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In this clause "Force Majeure" means the occurance after the date of this Contract of any of the following:.....strikes, lock-outs or other industrial disputes (in the case of strikes, lock-outs or other industrial disputes not confined to employees of the Operator or Córas Iompair Éireann or its subsidiaries) to the extent that such event has materially affected the ability of the Affected Party to perform its obligations in accordance with the terms of this Contract but excluding any such event insofar as it arises from or is attributable to the willful act, omission or negligence of the Affected Party or the failure on the part of the Affected Party to take reasonable precautions to prevent such event of Force Majeure or its impact

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Dublin's rubbish transport strikes again

Delays all over the show and DARTS so overcrowded you can't even get on..

Taxes and annual tickets and parking costs all going to great use
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Dublin's rubbish transport strikes again

Delays all over the show and DARTS so overcrowded you can't even get on..

Taxes and annual tickets and parking costs all going to great use

To be fair Dublin transport is fine! A Luas broke down this morning and unfortunately these things DO happen!
Unfortunately public transport and particularly the train network both domestically and nationally has been
the poor recipient of funding for decades. How many new stations or lines have been laid since the British left?
More taken up than been put down!
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To be fair Dublin transport is fine! A Luas broke down this morning and unfortunately these things DO happen!
Unfortunately public transport and particularly the train network both domestically and nationally has been
the poor recipient of funding for decades. How many new stations or lines have been laid since the British left?
More taken up than been put down!
It's not fine. It's overworked, badly funded and poor value for money.

The Luas has nothing to do with CIE. Not sure why you referenced it.
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Most issues with the Dublin suburban network are caused by the relentless attempt to impose 10 min Dart timetable since Sept on an infrastructure completely starved of investment. All the issues with Northern Suburban line southbound in the morning could have been significantly minimised if IE had applied for funding from NTA and built southbound passing loop at Clongriffin. I honestly have no idea why they did not. It would have been a very small investment for a big operational return and had great customer benefit. The evening peak on the other hand is both 10 min Darts and poor operational management. Example. One slight delay tonight and 1,000's of customers impacted. No one seemed in charge operationally and lots of customers needlessly delayed.
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It's not fine. It's overworked, badly funded and poor value for money.

The Luas has nothing to do with CIE. Not sure why you referenced it.
You referenced Dublin Transport in a general term so???

But yes, you are correct that investment in it or forward thinking has
not been to the fore for decades! The same old station will do...…

Overly reliant on the road network which is unable to cope!
The bullet has to be bitten by someone 'SOON' and develop an underground
system that will provide us with genuine realistic means of travel!
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For all routes, punctuality is defined as on time or within 10 minutes of time

Seriously? Are we actually considering trains being 10 mins late as being on time?

In the name of satan, why are our standards so fúcking low and why do we accept this crap?

Its absolutely pathetic - trains on the maynooth line crawl in and out of town, literally. Most stop randomly every morning for 5-10 mins for unknown reasons.

As someone mentioned before, Irish Rail should have SLA's and should be fined if they breach those SLA's.
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You referenced Dublin Transport in a general term so???

But yes, you are correct that investment in it or forward thinking has
not been to the fore for decades! The same old station will do...…

Overly reliant on the road network which is unable to cope!
The bullet has to be bitten by someone 'SOON' and develop an underground
system that will provide us with genuine realistic means of travel!
This is an Irish Rail thread
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For all routes, punctuality is defined as on time or within 10 minutes of time

Seriously? Are we actually considering trains being 10 mins late as being on time?

In the name of satan, why are our standards so fúcking low and why do we accept this crap?

Its absolutely pathetic - trains on the maynooth line crawl in and out of town, literally. Most stop randomly every morning for 5-10 mins for unknown reasons.

As someone mentioned before, Irish Rail should have SLA's and should be fined if they breach those SLA's.
I believe that that 10 minute stat includes DARTS

So a journey that should take 20 minutes could be nearly 50% over schedule and still be considered punctual

Laughable
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I believe that that 10 minute stat includes DARTS

So a journey that should take 20 minutes could be nearly 50% over schedule and still be considered punctual

Laughable
Its a joke but given there are zero consequences for this disgracefully inadequate service, nothing will change.
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for the Dart it's 5 minutes, but only measured at the terminus.
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Internationally, up to 5 minutes late would seem to be the standard for punctuality for shorter distance/commuter trains. I don't know how Irish Rail or the NTA get away with 10 minute buffers on the Maynooth and Northern Commuter lines given this.

The NTA actually publish peak/vs. off peak performance in their reports (Q2 2018 is the latest here). But for some reason they are always 6-12 months behind making an assessment of recent time table changes difficult.

The NTA figures also exclude force majeure delays and cancellations. In the interest of transparency they should publish these figures as well because there is no way to know how many "operational issues" get shoved into this category.
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Scotrail have a 92.5% within 5 minutes. Its been a good week on Waterford route

Sunday - Signal Fault
Monday - Mechanical Fault, Signal Fault
Tuesday - Power Fault, Signal Fault
Wednesday - Signal Fault, Livestock
Thursday - Operational Problem, Mechanical Fault and Signal Fault.

Still looking into the signal issues, very rare to have so many problems in 5 days so far.
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It's beyond a joke and what really boils my piss is no one in authority, be it Irish Rail management or Government, seem to give a sh1t - they just accept this disgraceful performance.
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