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New Worldwide Handicap System

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  • #452
    blackbox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭blackbox


    slingerz wrote: »
    after this weekend i am looking forward to this new system coming in.

    Our club had a CSS if 39 and 27 people had 40 points or better. There was 1 x 48 points, 2 x 47 and 1 x 45

    How can CSS be so high? Like how is it calculated? I saw a guy have 41 points off 12 and get cut 0.2/0.3 despite beating his handicap by 5 shots!!!

    My understanding is that the CSS is high because there were so many high scores.


  • #453
    mighty magpie
    Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭mighty magpie


    blackbox wrote: »
    My understanding is that the CSS is high because there were so many high scores.

    CSS of 39 is a low CSS as it is quoted in points. Question still stands.

    edit: not enough coffee this morning! ignore my response!


  • #454
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,026 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    slingerz wrote: »
    after this weekend i am looking forward to this new system coming in.

    Our club had a CSS if 39 and 27 people had 40 points or better. There was 1 x 48 points, 2 x 47 and 1 x 45

    How can CSS be so high? Like how is it calculated? I saw a guy have 41 points off 12 and get cut 0.2/0.3 despite beating his handicap by 5 shots!!!

    Whats your SSS?


  • #455
    Miley Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    mighty magpie wrote: »
    CSS of 39 is a low CSS as it is quoted in points. Question still stands.

    As far as I know the CSS can only go 1 above the SSS, not sure if I'm correct in that but it would make sense if your SSS is 38 points


  • #456
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Miley Byrne wrote: »
    As far as I know the CSS can only go 1 above the SSS, not sure if I'm correct in that but it would make sense if your SSS is 38 points

    i don't think so


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  • #457
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    blackbox wrote: »
    My understanding is that the CSS is high because there were so many high scores.

    i would have thought that was obvious.
    maybe i'm missing something


  • #458
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Miley Byrne wrote: »
    As far as I know the CSS can only go 1 above the SSS, not sure if I'm correct in that but it would make sense if your SSS is 38 points

    Wicklow golf club has a SSS of 38

    Always suspicious when i see this, as it immediately springs of manipulation for team comps. Wicklow isnt that easy a course


  • #459
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Wicklow golf club has a SSS of 38

    Always suspicious when i see this, as it immediately springs of manipulation for team comps. Wicklow isnt that easy a course

    i wouldn't call it difficult. sure if the wind blows, it would be tricky, but it is very open and quite short. i think a sss of 38 is probably a fair reflection overall


  • #460
    HighLine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Wicklow golf club has a SSS of 38

    Always suspicious when i see this, as it immediately springs of manipulation for team comps. Wicklow isnt that easy a course

    Apart from winning the Provincial Towns in 2016.. Wicklow hasn't won a big tournament since the 1980's. So rest easy on your suspicions.

    The SSS is 68 off whites. It is 70 off blues. It is 5796 yards off the white... so short and relatively easy to score well on once you know how to play it.


  • #461
    Miley Byrne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    Seve OB wrote: »
    i don't think so

    What I mean is if SSS is 38 then CSS can only go to 39 max.(That is my understanding but you may be correct, although I've never seen it in practice).

    In the other direction it could go to 37, 36 or 35 even.


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  • #462
    Poker Face
    Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭Poker Face


    Miley Byrne wrote: »
    What I mean is if SSS is 38 then CSS can only go to 39 max.(That is my understanding but you may be correct, although I've never seen it in practice).

    In the other direction it could go to 37, 36 or 35 even.

    You are correct Miley, if there CSS was 39pts then the SSS is 38pts for the course. CSS can only go 1 above SSS but can go 3 below it.

    gypsy79 the SSS is set by the GUI not the club so cannot be used as a stick to beat them for handicap manipulation.


  • #463
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Poker Face wrote: »
    gypsy79 the SSS is set by the GUI not the club so cannot be used as a stick to beat them for handicap manipulation.

    Yeah i know.....it is kind of weird that have now been given rating of 70 versus 71 par

    I wouldnt see it as an easy course

    Ask me next Monday. I playing the open there


  • #464
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Does anyone know if non qualifying rounds will go towards handicap??

    I have a couple 43s that were non qualifying!


  • #465
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Does anyone know if non qualifying rounds will go towards handicap??

    I have a couple 43s that were non qualifying!

    Nobody knows anything yet.


  • #466
    SEORG
    Registered Users Posts: 803 ✭✭✭SEORG


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Does anyone know if non qualifying rounds will go towards handicap??

    I have a couple 43s that were non qualifying!

    If you are not playing in a competition you will have to declare the round as counting towards your handicap (signing in etc) before you play.
    You will also need someone to mark your card.


  • #467
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users Posts: 17,652 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Will winter golf count towards handicap?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #468
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,501 ✭✭✭blue note


    I listened to the Rick sheils podcast on this. Apparently in America they allow gimmies in the counting rounds outside of competition. If it was just the length of a putter grip this would be fine but if it's undefined people could be giving each other three footers or God knows what!

    I don't think we're allowing that, but it's bonkers that anywhere does.


  • #469
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    blue note wrote: »
    I listened to the Rick sheils podcast on this. Apparently in America they allow gimmies in the counting rounds outside of competition. If it was just the length of a putter grip this would be fine but if it's undefined people could be giving each other three footers or God knows what!

    I don't think we're allowing that, but it's bonkers that anywhere does.

    i've missed plenty of putts inside the length of a putter grip in my time


  • #470
    padmcv
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭padmcv


    I wouldn't be concerned about gimmes counting. This, at worst, will lead to a vanity handicap which only hurt an individual player.


  • #471
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Will winter golf count towards handicap?

    Going forward yes


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  • #472
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,405 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Really? Placing in the rough and all?


  • #473
    hurleronditch
    Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭hurleronditch


    padmcv wrote: »
    I wouldn't be concerned about gimmes counting. This, at worst, will lead to a vanity handicap which only hurt an individual player.

    I’d categorically agree with this. I was a member in the US up to last year, and my handicap was probably 2 strokes shorter than it would be in Ireland. In hindsight, never putting out was key to that - though my golf crew were never pisstakers and almost all golf is fourball a with cash on the line. with the gimmes if you have 12 1-2 footers in a round you’ll miss at least 1. Then there’s always the “good-good” scenario where you and an opponent both have a slippery 2 footer for par and ye smirk and head off.

    I didn’t complain, because we were honest within the parameters of normal, and whilst it’s great I can say I’ve been a single figure handicap golfer, until I have a real Irish handicap with every hole finished out that shows 9.4 I’ll know myself it wasn’t quite right.


  • #474
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    Going forward yes

    Says who?


  • #475
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users Posts: 17,652 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Seve OB wrote: »
    Says who?

    I heard it on the Rick shiels podcast and it's also in Englandgolf.org.

    I'd imagine we'll have the same rules as them?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #476
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,501 ✭✭✭blue note


    One thing I didn't understand from the podcast was...

    If gimmies are allowed in US but not here, is it a worldwide system or not?


  • #477
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users Posts: 17,652 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    blue note wrote: »
    One thing I didn't understand from the podcast was...

    If gimmies are allowed in US but not here, is it a worldwide system or not?

    Think that's with the old system?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #478
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,501 ✭✭✭blue note


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Think that's with the old system?

    Ah, so the yanks will have to putt out in future when the new system comes in? That makes much more sense.

    I'm listening to podcasts while working these days. Which means I'm only hearing the odd bit from them in reality.


  • #479
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    There will be regional variations.
    CONGU haven’t declared what ours will be yet.


  • #480
    Russman
    Registered Users Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭Russman


    Apologies if this has already been covered, I've gone back a few pages and don't see it specifically.

    Am I correct in assuming its your last 20 score differentials rather than just your last 20 scores ?
    If I'm correct in that assumption, if your last 20 scores take you back into, say, last summer, how can the score differentials be worked out with the potential bad weather corrections and slope and course ratings that have only just been released ? Is it all happening behind the scenes automatically or will these adjustments be applied retrospectively ? Or will they just take the Nett Differentials from Golfnet and run with that ?
    Like two 36pts rounds from last year could have very different score differentials - I think, but could be wrong !


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  • #481
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Russman wrote: »
    Apologies if this has already been covered, I've gone back a few pages and don't see it specifically.

    Am I correct in assuming its your last 20 score differentials rather than just your last 20 scores ?
    If I'm correct in that assumption, if your last 20 scores take you back into, say, last summer, how can the score differentials be worked out with the potential bad weather corrections and slope and course ratings that have only just been released ? Is it all happening behind the scenes automatically or will these adjustments be applied retrospectively ? Or will they just take the Nett Differentials from Golfnet and run with that ?
    Like two 36pts rounds from last year could have very different score differentials - I think, but could be wrong !

    There is a change to the differential which is very similar if not identical to the SSS to CSS adjustment


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