When was the moment Irish people became docile and spirtitless?

screamer · 22-01-2021 5:01pm

When they started fluoridation of the water....... I often think the revolutionaries would vomit to see the country that they have their lives for. Replacing one set of oppressive rulers with a bunch of snivelling cronies and their family members, and it’s been that way since the foundation of the state.

Edgware · 22-01-2021 5:03pm

By the late 20s Collins would have had a nice little dictatorship sorted. He would have long realised the inevitable military failure which would have occurred if he had attempted to invade the six counties. It took De Valera to get rid of the British from the Treaty ports. Collins would be getting goose stepping lessons from his old pals in Berlin and Rome. Markievitz went anti Treaty so would probably be running a bistro in New York with all the others who couldnt get employment in Ireland

The One Doctor · 22-01-2021 5:15pm

Hyperbollix wrote: »

Don't think it's a lack of spirit or being docile...

Everyone in Ireland is new money. We were delighted when we finally got it in the late 90's and early 2000's and everything since the '08 crash has been an effort to get us back to where we were. We're not going to mount a socialist revolt against the extremes of unbridled capitalism. We don't give a fúck as long as we can order that 21 reg plate and head somewhere nice on our hols.

Centuries of poverty, destitution and misery have given Irish society a collective acceptance that the norm is usually shít. We should just be happy when it's not shít for a while and try to keep that going.

Appropriate username.

Your Face · 22-01-2021 6:20pm

Politically there is very little choice for change unless one is going to vote outside the traditional parties.
Therein lies the problem, as the smaller parties all seem a bit peculiar.

Markcheese · 22-01-2021 7:03pm

Edgware wrote: »

By the late 20s Collins would have had a nice little dictatorship sorted. He would have long realised the inevitable military failure which would have occurred if he had attempted to invade the six counties. It took De Valera to get rid of the British from the Treaty ports. Collins would be getting goose stepping lessons from his old pals in Berlin and Rome. Markievitz went anti Treaty so would probably be running a bistro in New York with all the others who couldnt get employment in Ireland

Was Colin's a facist ? ( Or would he have been )
Maybe if he hadn't been shot we'd have had the border commission and instead of the six counties there'd have been the 2 counties , maybe not ..
Maybe we'd wouldn't have had the economic war ,and been better off ,or would have had a massive economic crash in the 30s anyway ..
maybe we'd have let britain use the " treaty ports" in world war 2, and had the ****e bombed out of cobh and Cork, maybe we'd have sold as much agricultural produce as possible to the allies while still being neutral
No one can really say ..
Was Collins a lefty ? He was of small farming stock but hey musolini started as a socialist ,would he have been under the thrall of the church ?

Might as well ask what would do fionn mcCool have though of brexit ..

EmmetSpiceland · 22-01-2021 7:17pm

I, personally, think a lot of Irish lads got fairly docile after the crash in 08. So much so, that we now have a large surplus of 30-something year old “manchildren”, some are even in their 40s. They live their lives online, playing computer games, watching wrestling and MMA cage fighting.

While the rest of us are “getting on” with things in the real world this lot are spending all their time complaining with other dangerously deluded oddballs, with fogged up glasses, about Lottie Ryan, female politicians and other, random, nonsense they consider “woke”.

There was always that “cohort” working in IT, the greasy haired crowd with unkempt beards. But this new subgroup of angry “midwits”, the type who hate women but can’t even talk to them, could really do with “drying out” from the hardcore gonzo pornography and spending some time away from the computer.

We’re going to need all the help we can get once the country “opens up” again, hopefully in the near future, so instead of seething over ‘The Late Late Show’ or braying at the TV while one lad pummels another lad in the head while he’s unconscious on the ground I’d recommend taking a “time out” and getting some fresh air. Within the 5k limit, of course.

Together, we can bring back the “spirit” of this great nation. It just requires rolling up our sleeves and facing up to the real world.

MrMusician18 · 22-01-2021 7:29pm

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?

If this is a genuine question and not just a right wing swipe at the current public health measures well then it's quite an easy one to answer. All revolutionaries end up disappointed with the country that results - largely because each one has a different idea about what the country should become. Revolutionaries are usually only united by a common enemy and little else. So nevermind 100 years down the line, the disappointment usually manifests itself in the decade after. For example we had Con Colbert and James Connolly on the same side in 1916. In the new country, what each of these wanted was the polar opposite of the other. Had these men survived '16 they wouldn't certainly ended up fighting each other later.

When revolutionaries come up against the necessary pragmatism of keeping everyone together and keeping the show on the road, the radicals either abandon their convictions or get left behind.

PCeeeee · 22-01-2021 7:32pm

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?

Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

Why are docile yourself?

John Doe1 · 22-01-2021 7:35pm

When they put the flouride in the water:D

Nah, it was when money/property became the new god here in the mid/late 90s

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-01-2021 7:38pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

2.57 in the afternoon.

2:14 am Eastern Time, on August 29th, 1997

(Do it properly!)

badabing106 · 22-01-2021 7:52pm

McGaggs wrote: »

Any proof for that? I don't know anyone who watches it. Maybe it's the most popular show out of all the shows on Saorview, at that time slot, but I'd say most people are doing/watching something else.

Last week it had a viewership of 744,000 which "equates to 50 % of available audience"

https://marketing.ie/late-late-figures-up-again

RTE is a political party with a manifesto of death, suffering and misery, and people are voting for them in their droves

RTE can't be blamed because they are giving the Irish people exactly want they want which is docility and sorrow

The Late Late Show is a mirror reflection to where the spirit of the Irish people is at now

dxhound2005 · 22-01-2021 8:10pm

badabing106 wrote: »

Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

I thought the yellow jackets were against the government? The French are very docile compared to us. They have water charges, and they had property tax long before us. Also a wealth tax.

Their reputation for protesting is based on selfish interest groups trying to get a bigger slice of the pie for themselves. The only principled protest this last few years was their massive march against same sex marriage.

johnboy1298 · 22-01-2021 8:39pm

As with previous posters I'd agree the main reason we don't complain is because as a country we are very well off and our standard of living (under usual circumstances at least!) is very very good. This helps as it makes it a lot easier to forgot past issues.

I would say though that our political parties are poor and the way they deal with any sort of crisis is very poor. I don't see any great alternatives either which if anything makes it hard to get that improvement though.

The J Stands for Jay · 22-01-2021 8:42pm

badabing106 wrote: »

Last week it had a viewership of 744,000 which "equates to 50 % of available audience"

https://marketing.ie/late-late-figures-up-again

Thanks, that's sent me down an interesting rabbithole. TAM measure the watching habits of 1,090 households, or 2,700 people. So apparently we're calling the LLS a mirror reflection of the nation based on 1,350 people turning on rte on a Friday night during a lockdown.

Edgware · 22-01-2021 8:48pm

McGaggs wrote: »

Thanks, that's sent me down an interesting rabbithole. TAM measure the watching habits of 1,090 households, or 2,700 people. So apparently we're calling the LLS a mirror reflection of the nation based on 1,350 people turning on rte on a Friday night during a lockdown.

People watched it last week for three reasons:
1. There are people who always watch it
2. There are people who watch other channels but the LLS ****e was not as bad as the others
3. Then there are the people who watched because they had nowhere to go

dxhound2005 · 22-01-2021 9:00pm

4. Those who watched it so they could complain about it on the internet.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-01-2021 9:12pm

Strumms wrote: »

Whingey bollixes don’t tend to achieve much though.... I worked in a job full of whingey bollixes... in the canteen plenty of mouth about what’s ok, what’s not ok, this manager, that manager....getting screwed left right and center...etc... all valid concerns and complaints..usually anyway

Me : “ ok, have you talked with the manager or escalated the issue ? “

Them : “ errr no “

Me : “ did you think about bringing it up at yesterday’s meeting ? “

Them : “ ahhh sure what’s the point, anyway, pay review meetings are soon, can’t rock the boat “

Me : “ ok, I’m not your psychologist, either do something about it or stop annoying people with an abundance of pissfoolery “

The Irish are indeed too docile... say what you want about the French but if a workplace issue, political issues for example, talk, then march , maybe even civil disobedience...they DO.

The only people who kicked up during covid were the anti restriction and anti mask fûckwits who should be allowed quite frankly to drown in their own vomit.

We are too subservient here....

“ Jesus, that was a real stroke of luck getting that job “

No it wasn’t, you were the best and most suitable and impressive candidate.

Most of us were brought up “ god you are lucky to have a job, keep the head down and blahhh “

Instead of that...it should be.. “ god, THEY are lucky to have YOU “

Irish people need to be more valuing of themselves, take less shît, write the rules instead of following them...

Or break the rules when they need be broken.

I love comparing Irish to French protests - in France, you get "we should so something!"; but in Ireland it's "someone should do soemthing!"

Then, as soon as somoene does, you hear, "what do those feckin eegits think they're going to achieve...? Just getting people's way!"

"What are YOU going to do when the revolution comes!"
Ireland - "lube up and bend over!"

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-01-2021 9:14pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

4. Those who watched it so they could complain about it on the internet.

5 - They watched it because it was Friday night and that's what they do on Friday nights.

blackvalley · 22-01-2021 9:51pm

The same docile spiritless instinct that makes us crave acceptance and validation for our existence on the world stage .For example when a new American president is elected we rush to prove that he has Irish connections and " Sure arent the Irish great " . People will squabble over whether his great, great, great, great ,great great grandfather was born in a boghole in Bohola or a dungheap in Dunboyne .
Newspapers spent most of the Summer fawning over some american actor who found himself stranded in Killiney, wondering if he liked us and would such a sophisticated creature survive on food from tesco .
There is some deficiency in our national psyche that makes us need to be liked.

Edgware · 22-01-2021 9:55pm

But de immigrants love us Joe

Lewis_Benson · 22-01-2021 9:57pm

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?

Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

Around 04-05-2006 at 12:32

saabsaab · 22-01-2021 10:05pm

The Great Famine knocked the stuffing out of us. Still getting over it. If you accepted the rule of England you might survive if you didn't you probably died or left.

jmlad2020 · 22-01-2021 10:06pm

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?

Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

Go back to picking Potatoes Paddy and stop buying them from SuperValu you thick c*nt

pgj2015 · 22-01-2021 10:11pm

blackvalley wrote: »

The same docile spiritless instinct that makes us crave acceptance and validation for our existence on the world stage .For example when a new American president is elected we rush to prove that he has Irish connections and " Sure arent the Irish great " . People will squabble over whether his great, great, great, great ,great great grandfather was born in a boghole in Bohola or a dungheap in Dunboyne .
Newspapers spent most of the Summer fawning over some american actor who found himself stranded in Killiney, wondering if he liked us and would such a sophisticated creature survive on food from tesco .
There is some deficiency in our national psyche that makes us need to be liked.

Also a lot of Irish people will say nothing if some ignorant mouthpiece in the UK makes fun of us for being Irish in an insulting way. no way would I take that kind of $hit off such a person. its also sad how some Irish people are liverpool or man u fanatics but you couldnt pay them to go to a league of Ireland game and they will run it down at any opportunity, "I wouldnt watch that $hite"

saabsaab · 22-01-2021 10:21pm

The Great Famine was so bad that the old people wouldn't talk about it. The guilt and shame of survival.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-01-2021 10:23pm

pgj2015 wrote: »

Also a lot of Irish people will say nothing if some ignorant mouthpiece in the UK makes fun of us for being Irish in an insulting way. no way would I take that kind of $hit off such a person. its also sad how some Irish people are liverpool or man u fanatics but you couldnt pay them to go to a league of Ireland game and they will run it down at any opportunity, "I wouldnt watch that $hite"

Well shoe-horned in

but this is nothing to do with football. We're talking about the Irish taking **** - which, most of the time comes within - not prefering a foreign product to a domestic one.

22-01-2021 10:25pm

badabing106 wrote: »

I wonder what the likes of Countess Markievicz and Collins would think of Ireland's recent history?

Could you imagine French government/people or british government/people or any developed western country being cool with bankrupting its own people in favour of third party bond holders

And then electing them to run the country 8 years later

The format of the late late show, Ireland's most popular show by a mile showcases this docility . This "light entertainment show" heavily relies on misery and sorrow and submission to this day.It has literally taken over from the Church, the host even gives a weekly sermon in how we should behave

Beer was invented to prevent the Irish from taking over the world.

*p.s. Ireland gave away its natural resources under the Haughey regime years before the bank bailout.

saabsaab · 22-01-2021 10:27pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well shoe-horned in but this is nothing to do with football. We're talking about the Irish taking **** - which, most of the time comes within - not prefering a foreign product to a domestic one.

Nothing to do with football just soccer the garrison game!

The One Doctor · 23-01-2021 3:23pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I, personally, think a lot of Irish lads got fairly docile after the crash in 08. So much so, that we now have a large surplus of 30-something year old “manchildren”, some are even in their 40s. They live their lives online, playing computer games, watching wrestling and MMA cage fighting.

While the rest of us are “getting on” with things in the real world this lot are spending all their time complaining with other dangerously deluded oddballs, with fogged up glasses, about Lottie Ryan, female politicians and other, random, nonsense they consider “woke”.

There was always that “cohort” working in IT, the greasy haired crowd with unkempt beards. But this new subgroup of angry “midwits”, the type who hate women but can’t even talk to them, could really do with “drying out” from the hardcore gonzo pornography and spending some time away from the computer.

We’re going to need all the help we can get once the country “opens up” again, hopefully in the near future, so instead of seething over ‘The Late Late Show’ or braying at the TV while one lad pummels another lad in the head while he’s unconscious on the ground I’d recommend taking a “time out” and getting some fresh air. Within the 5k limit, of course.

Together, we can bring back the “spirit” of this great nation. It just requires rolling up our sleeves and facing up to the real world.

Kevin Myers. Nice to meet you again.

Hyperbollix · 24-01-2021 12:27pm

The One Doctor wrote: »

Kevin Myers. Nice to meet you again.

The One Doctor wrote: »

Appropriate username.

Are all your contributions to every thread as utterly pointless as this, or did we just get you on a bad day?

When was the moment Irish people became docile and spirtitless?

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