The problem with Ben Shapiro

IAMAMORON · 10-01-2021 2:46am

If it looks like a chunt and acts likes a chunt...

I know lots of Jewish people and most of them are really sound and lovely engaging human beings.

He is engaging, but he is not sound. The dude stirs shít for a living, ignore his tripe.

K.Flyer · 10-01-2021 2:49am

KungPao wrote: »

Who the **** is Ben Shapiro?

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storker · 10-01-2021 2:51am

There are some people who I like, even though I might disagree with them, and some who I can't stand, even when I do agree with them. Shapiro is in the latter category. Even when he's right (IMO), he's an obnoxious pr1ck.

Snotty · 10-01-2021 2:53am

I used to enjoy listening to his radio spots pre-trump, during the run up to the 2016 election he was very anti trump and his segments after the debates were great, I'd say I agreed with him on most things related to the economy, law and order, maybe even immigration, anything socially I'd start to differ.

mzungu · 10-01-2021 12:24pm

A spoofer of the highest order.

The thing about that Andrew Neil interview (linked in a previous post) was that he wasn't being robustly challenged at all. As soon as he is out of the safety net of the US college circuit or internet channel interviews (with people that agree with him) the only retorts he could come up with were repeatedly accusing Neil of "being on the left" and other such waffle.

A man with nothing of value to add to any debate.

Hello 2D Person Below · 10-01-2021 12:31pm

mzungu wrote: »

A spoofer of the highest order.

The thing about that Andrew Neil interview (linked in a previous post) was that he wasn't being robustly challenged at all. As soon as he is out of the safety net of the US college circuit or internet channel interviews (with people that agree with him) the only retorts he could come up with were repeatedly accusing Neil of "being on the left" and other such waffle.

A man with nothing of value to add to any debate.

That's it, Andrew Neil was essentially just shooting the breeze.

"Why don't you just say you're on the left?"

*laughter from Neil*

"Mr. Shapiro, if you only knew how ridiculous that statement is, you wouldn't have said it."

*sour puss on Benji*

Great TV.

biko · 10-01-2021 1:59pm

I'm not a fan, except for the Boy Scouts things. That was funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPQZXRzk3b4

gozunda · 10-01-2021 2:01pm

Deemed as Normal wrote: »

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Don't get me wrong though, I agree with a lot of the points he makes. But at the end of the day, he is just another American debater who polarises everything. He does not appear to care about trying to make people see things for what thy really are, and is instead just pandering to a particular audience. I may not understand everything he is talking about, but I would not trust him for a second. He is a sharp debater. But not a convincing one! ...

I'd disagree tbf. There is certainly no one verifiable view point of how things 'really are' regardless of anyone individuals beliefs or political affiliations. Neither is the problem whether he does or does not "polarise everything". The guy is most certainly vastly opinionated but looking at the US - that's nothing unusual in the socio-political landscape there.

Tbh Its not difficult to understand how Shapiro as a conservative political commentator is deeply unpopular with US left wing political supporters.

And designated as a conservative - presently that seems to be enough of a incentive to want to shut him down. But apparently even that's not enough - with those who disagree with him liberally painting him as being a fascist (amongst various other epitats) and otherwise of bad character.

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2018/02/13/the-escalating-war-over-freedom-of-speech-on-campuses

A genuine willingness to listen to all points of view even those we may vehemently dislike is a hell of better marker of a healthy debate and political discourse

I may not agree with a lot of his opinions but I'll certainly listen to what he has to say.

Fritzbox · 10-01-2021 2:19pm

L1011 wrote: »

You live a wonderful life, not knowing who he is. I'd suggest you don't bother finding out.

Most Irish people, or other European people, would know who Ben Shapiro is. Why would they?

Larbre34 · 10-01-2021 3:02pm

Steyr 556 wrote: »

His sister is a ride.

She is. But in my humble opinion, women of a jewish background tend to be smokeshows anyway.

Stihl waters · 10-01-2021 3:16pm

He's a tool but I find myself agreeing with him on some points like gender and the blm shìte, I wouldn't go out of my way to watch him but I find some of his videos funny when debating college leftie types who act like a rabbit caught in the headlights when he's finished with them, I'd like to see him in a debate with someone who can handle themselves and see how he gets on

Littlehorny · 10-01-2021 3:18pm

Used to be a fan of Shapiro, although not religious myself I agreed with his conservative views and thought most of his points came from a fairly common sense viewpoint.
That was until I started following him on Twitter about 18 months ago and the way he has stood up for Trump at every turn just goes against every brand of being a decent human being rhetoric that he used to preach before.
He knows Trump is a despicable scumbag but chose instead to defend him every day for the last year.
Trump's whole life and way of behaving is the polar opposite of everything Shapiro used to stand for as a basic human being so I will never believe a word from his mouth again. He could have gone against Trump and been a beacon for decency but totally sold himself out. A sliveen as they say here in Ireland.

Stihl waters · 10-01-2021 3:19pm

Steyr 556 wrote: »

His sister is a ride.

I had to Google her, awfully big milkers on her

simongurnick · 10-01-2021 3:23pm

Stihl waters wrote: »

I had to Google her, awfully big milkers on her

Now I have to look

simongurnick · 10-01-2021 3:24pm

simongurnick wrote: »

Now I have to look

Classic butterface

simongurnick · 10-01-2021 3:27pm

Littlehorny wrote: »

Used to be a fan of Shapiro, although not religious myself I agreed with his conservative views and thought most of his points came from a fairly common sense viewpoint.
That was until I started following him on Twitter about 18 months ago and the way he has stood up for Trump at every turn just goes against every brand of being a decent human being rhetoric that he used to preach before.
He knows Trump is a despicable scumbag but chose instead to defend him every day for the last year.
Trump's whole life and way of behaving is the polar opposite of everything Shapiro used to stand for as a basic human being so I will never believe a word from his mouth again. He could have gone against Trump and been a beacon for decency but totally sold himself out. A sliveen as they say here in Ireland.

I'd agree. Previously I wouldn't call myself a fan but I'd watch some of his shtick. Some of was amusing, some of it he makes great points but all the while he is as smug as can be.
Didn't really bother me either way but as you say, his defense of trump this year is ridiculous. I'm all for open discourse and what have you, but I have literally zero respect for anyone that positions themselves as a trump supporter.

Littlehorny · 10-01-2021 3:34pm

simongurnick wrote: »

I'd agree. Previously I wouldn't call myself a fan but I'd watch some of his shtick. Some of was amusing, some of it he makes great points but all the while he is as smug as can be.
Didn't really bother me either way but as you say, his defense of trump this year is ridiculous. I'm all for open discourse and what have you, but I have literally zero respect for anyone that positions themselves as a trump supporter.

As someone who built their platform on I'm a religious, conservative, devoted family man who will stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone to defend what is right and decent and then goes and defends Trump for everything he said and done over his term as president, no way. A wimp in my eyes now.

BobbyMalone · 10-01-2021 3:47pm

Steyr 556 wrote: »

His sister is a ride.

From now-deleted tweets, I think Ben would agree with you there.

Deemed as Normal · 10-01-2021 5:51pm

gozunda wrote: »

I'd disagree tbf. There is certainly no one verifiable view point of how things 'really are' regardless of anyone individuals beliefs or political affiliations.

Of course. But there are also attempts by pundits and politicians to get as far away as possible from seeing how things 'really are', because the person delivering such a message knows that certain people listening are ignorant! For example, presenting a simple solution to a complex problem... like Trump 'draining the swamp'.

gozunda wrote: »

Neither is the problem whether he does or does not "polarise everything". The guy is most certainly vastly opinionated but looking at the US - that's nothing unusual in the socio-political landscape there.

So you're saying there's nothing wrong with polarising matters because the other side (the left) is most likely polarising things too? and that Ben has to also exaggerate an equal amount to make up for so??? Or else he wouldn't survive in his profession??? Is that what you're saying? Assuming the answer to that is yes, then does that mean that you are acknowledging that Ben is a spoofer?

gozunda wrote: »

A genuine willingness to listen to all points of view even those we may vehemently dislike is a hell of better marker of a healthy debate and political discourse

Well obviously. But then that begs another question; should we take the opinions of people who are proven pahtological liars as serious as those who are not? The purpose of this thread is to question how much of a liar Ben is, and how he (for example) lies using statistics.

gozunda wrote: »

I may not agree with a lot of his opinions but I'll certainly listen to what he has to say.

And that's okay, as long as you also listen to what everyone has to say, and that you fact check people (like Trump) who are known liars after hearing what they've said.

gozunda wrote: »

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2...ch-on-campuses

And designated as a conservative - presently that seems to be enough of a incentive to want to shut him down.

Oh I'd have to assume it's more than that... perhaps because he's a sh!t stirrer. But you never know, maybe everyone on Berkeley campus is just insane!

Deemed as Normal · 10-01-2021 6:02pm

BobbyMalone wrote: »

From now-deleted tweets, I think Ben would agree with you there.

Tell me more!

Deemed as Normal · 10-01-2021 6:14pm

biko wrote: »

I'm not a fan, except for the Boy Scouts things. That was funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPQZXRzk3b4

What did she say?

gozunda · 10-01-2021 6:33pm

Deemed as Normal wrote: »

Of course. But there are also attempts by pundits and politicians to get as far away as possible from seeing how things 'really are', because the person delivering such a message knows that certain people listening are ignorant! For example, presenting a simple solution to a complex problem... like Trump 'draining the swamp'.

No. Because opinions are like aseholes - everyone has one on how things 'really are".. Though I wouldn't agree that some of those listening to such views are more 'ignorant' than those listening to any other political commentator or are automatically going agree with everything he says.

Deemed as Normal wrote: »

So you're saying there's nothing wrong with polarising matters because the other side (the left) is most likely polarising things too? and that Ben has to also exaggerate an equal amount to make up for so??? Or else he wouldn't survive in his profession??? Is that what you're saying? Assuming the answer to that is yes, then does that mean that you are acknowledging that Ben is a spoofer?

No - that is not what was said. Take a read again.

Deemed as Normal wrote: »

Well obviously. But then that begs another question; should we take the opinions of people who are proven pahtological liars as serious as those who are not? The purpose of this thread is to question how much of a liar Ben is, and how he (for example) lies using statistics.
And that's okay, as long as you also listen to what everyone has to say, and that you fact check people (like Trump) who are known liars after hearing what they've said.

I believe the issue you posed was "The problem with Ben Shapiro". You further detailed that he was an "attention seeker" but that you
"agree with a lot of the points he makes"

So how is that you now believe Shapiro is a "proven pathological liar"? If so why agree with anything he says?

That would appear to fall into the realm of assuming that he is of "bad character" as detailed previously - because you don't agree with some or all of what he says or believes. Or is Shapiro simply another political commentator albeit one not to your personal liking?

Deemed as Normal · 10-01-2021 7:23pm

gozunda wrote: »

No - that is not what was said. Take a read again.

That's a bit snooty! Here I am trying to understand the ambiguity to what you said and you just redirect me back to it.

You said something to the effect of:

he has strong opinions, and that that isn't uncommon with the current political landscape.

So what's your point by saying that? To suggest that he has strong opinions does not tell me whether or not you think he polarises things or not? They're
two different things. You should have made it clear whether or not you think he polarises matters or not.

You also said "the issue isn't with whether he polarises everything". It is certainly one of the issues at the moment in America, and it's also the issue being discussed in this thread. You can't rule out something that doesn't interest you as not being an issue... just like I can't say that "people not listening to all points of view" isn't an issue too. Once you start ruling stuff out, you're acting as if things are black and white matters.

Let's get a straight answer out of you. Do you think Ben polarises stuff? And if so, do you think there's an issue with doing so?

gozunda wrote: »

So how is that you now believe Shapiro is a "proven pathological liar"? If so why agree with anything he says?

You were going wide by referring to how we should listen "all points of view", which includes everyone (going away from Shapiro), which caused me to think of a hypothetical pathological liar sharing his point of view.... I should have been clear I didn't mean Ben. I do not believe that he lies as a habit, but I do suspect that he misleads people with certain information.

gozunda wrote: »

I believe the issue you posed was "The problem with Ben Shapiro". You further detailed that he was an "attention seeker" but that you
"agree with a lot of the points he makes"

If you think about it, that doesn't mean I contradicted myself.

BobbyMalone · 10-01-2021 7:26pm

Deemed as Normal wrote: »

Tell me more!

A decidedly odd tweet: https://www.ccn.com/ben-shapiro-self-owns-again-deleted-tweet/

jam_mac_jam · 10-01-2021 7:29pm

BobbyMalone wrote: »

A decidedly odd tweet: https://www.ccn.com/ben-shapiro-self-owns-again-deleted-tweet/

Oh wow. What an unfortunate tweet if you have a sister. Ew

Pawwed Rig · 10-01-2021 7:39pm

I find he makes some good points and it can be amusing to see him totally squash someone else on a panel. I don't agree with most of what he says though in particular the health care, environmental and religious topics.

He is ideally suited to US TV where all debate is in short bursts where speaking fast and being quick witted is a huge benefit. Similar to Milo really.

Sky King · 10-01-2021 7:41pm

Hate how polarised US political discourse is in the media.

Either you're a staunch hardline Conservative or a loonie left socialist. Zero room for nuance or middle ground. Thats the two party system I guess. Glad we don't have that here.

gozunda · 10-01-2021 8:06pm

Deemed as Normal wrote: »

That's a bit snooty! Here I am trying to understand the ambiguity to what you said and you just redirect me back to it. You said something to the effect of:

he has strong opinions, and that that isn't uncommon with the current political landscape.

So what's your point by saying that? To suggest that he has strong opinions does not tell me whether or not you think he polarises things or not? They'retwo different things. You should have made it clear whether or not you think he polarises matters or not.

You also said "the issue isn't with whether he polarises everything". It is certainly one of the issues at the moment in America, and it's also the issue being discussed in this thread.

Let's get a straight answer out of you. Do you think Ben polarises stuff? And if so, do you think there's an issue with doing so?

"Snooty". "Let's get a straight answer out of you". Whoa back up buddy. This is a discussion not a Q&A session.

My comment suggested that you to read it again as you clearly went off on a tangent completely remote from what was said (but not as you misquoted me saying viz. "the issue isn't with whether he polarises everything")

gozunda wrote:

Neither is the problem whether he does or does not "polarise everything". The guy is most certainly vastly opinionated but looking at the US - that's nothing unusual in the socio-political landscape there.

So let me simplify that. Whether he does or does not "polarise everything" (and I don't see any strong evidence he does tbh) is largely irrelevant to whether you believe he is of bad character. The worst we can say of that is he is highly opinionated and really does not stand out from the panoply of other such commentators.

Deemed as Normal wrote: »

You were going wide by referring to how we should listen "all points of view", which includes everyone (going away from Shapiro), which caused me to think of a hypothetical pathological liar sharing his point of view.... I should have been clear I didn't mean Ben. I do not believe that he lies as a habit, but I do suspect that he misleads people with certain information. If you think about it, that doesn't mean I contradicted myself.

Nope. Listening to a wide variety of views is generally healthy and reminds me of something from Barack Obama where he says that "Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with ‘em. But you shouldn’t silence them by saying, 'You can’t come because I'm too sensitive to hear what you have to say.' That’s not the way we learn either."

As to being a 'liar' etc - the above was in reply to your previous comment viz.

Deemed as Normal wrote:

That begs another question; should we take the opinions of people who are proven pahtological liars as serious as those who are not? The purpose of this thread is to question how much of a liar Ben is, and how he (for example) lies using statistics.

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Gatling · 10-01-2021 9:33pm

biko wrote: »

I'm not a fan, except for the Boy Scouts things. That was funny as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPQZXRzk3b4

Then he got her with changing his age return

py2006 · 10-01-2021 10:00pm

He is an annoying little twat who can spew out facts at 200 miles per hour which bamboozles opponents (not wins arguments).

However, I do enjoy it when he takes down feminism and wokeism

The problem with Ben Shapiro

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