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  • #92
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Old diesel wrote: »
    It's better then paying 2 k a month rent.....

    The percentage of income someone in future social housing but on a higher income could be considered.

    At 30 percent of income - someone on 600 euro a week would pay 180 a week.

    720 per month.

    It's like that in Scandinavia, subsidised accommodation, childcare and health coverage for all. But that's the nasty socialism some posters here hate but our model having failed the majority of the population has not hit home to those posters yet who want to continue with more of the same misery.


  • #93
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,346 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    Have to laugh at those who suggest the middle east as an option. People spend all their time complaining the lack of social housing and funding for the poor. What do they do it the middle east with regard to social protection? Workers rights? Basic human rights? Etc...
    Those who go and work in the middle east and get tax free salaries are part of the regime there. The property they live in was basically built by slave labour. You are a second class citizen there.
    The hypocrisy of people who complain about social services here and then work in these places is amazing

    People suit themselves at the end of the day, it makes sense for people in some professions to go there and earn a nice tax free salary and have a nice life. FGFFLab suit themselves and their friends with their housing policy, so why not. Only chumps care about what happens to society at this stage. Humanity is in it's final stages anyway.
    Fine if they have no morals but claiming others don't so it is ok is a stretch. It also puts a huge question mark over their moral outrage about what happens in Ireland.

    As for politicians looking after themselves and friends prove it! Legislation has been punative on landlords for years. No change to the protections of landlords for no payment and additional charges and restrictions. They haven't made it easier to evict non paying tenants and mortgage holders.
    Housing is a mess because of listening to the public. When the ERSI warned of the impending housing shortage the public laughed and claimed it was just a ploy to help out the builder mates of politicians. Guess what it wasn't and resulted in us not building properties. The banks warned about taking out 100% mortgages and public cried out that they wanted them.
    It is very simple to blame the government but ignoring what the public did and wanted is just willful ignorance.

    I think it is gas the way people go on about landlords screaming it in from HAP. A payment so popular with landlords they changed the laws to make it illegal to refuse. Landlords don't want it and it means being underpaid on true rent values.


  • #94
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    johnmck wrote: »
    You are right Leroy, I should be more grateful.

    It is not about being more grateful, it is looking at what you can do rather than what you can't.

    You are clearly intelligent, have plenty of motivation and have got this far. There are plenty of options open to you, but they require that you make decisions.

    You have chosen a profession that will always be stifled in terms of what you can earn (in terms of the core job), but it comes with significant other benefits, such as the holidays. Are these benefits worth it, or do you value other things more?

    But many of the 'problems' you claim are not really that big problems. I fully understand your frustration. You can move to a nicer house, but that would require a bigger commute. Well, yeah, that is the same for everyone. I would like a better car, but that would involve having less money so I choose not to.

    The point being that you are still very much in control. Not might sound like it right now, but put together a plan, based on what is important to you, and work on that.

    If there is no way to get a nice place to live within reasonable commuting distance in Dublin as a teacher, maybe look at moving down the country or taking up a different profession. Simply giving up and expecting that somebody somewhere will sort it all out for you is, unlikely, to happen.

    That is not to say that I don't share your frustrations, but would you really want to live on the dole? No hope, no future, nothing to pass on?


  • #95
    Blaizes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    johnmck wrote: »
    I already worked for years in the country, got screwed around, never got a permanent post. Feel I'm too old for going abroad to teach English, plus over qualified for that. I'm almost 40. Be fine if I was in my 20s

    You are not too old to go abroad. You don't have to teach English, you can teach your subject at an international school, there are international schools all over the world that look for licensed teachers- nothing to do with T.E.F.L You should look in to it.Ideally if you could get a career break and go but I wonder if it's too late now to apply, guessing it is.

    Sympathies with your situation by the way, but if you have no ties it means you can leave Ireland or try to get teaching outside of Dublin.But probably you already know the score with going to another part of Ireland; bits of jobs, nepotism, small hour cids etc. The career break would be a great option for you freeing you up to relocate and teach else where.The housing situation is a disaster and its dreadful that you and so many other people are finding themselves in this situation. I know for sure who I won't be voting for on Friday!!


  • #96
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    klaaaz wrote: »
    ... our model having failed the majority of the population has not hit home to those posters yet who want to continue with more of the same misery.

    The majority are housed.
    The majority have jobs ( < 6% unemployment rate )

    There will always be an angry gang of "have-nots" who aren't as hard working, or intelligent or have the skills to live in comfort in the location of their choosing.


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  • #97
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    johnmck wrote: »
    I'm a teacher working in Dublin. Worked all my life from the age of 15. Re-educated myself to become a teacher. Took me years to get a full time post.
    Very happy with my job now, after a bit of struggling to secure a permement post. I love helping students achieve their goals.
    I've had to move several times in the past 2 years due to landlords and crazy co-habitants. I've handed in my tenancy notice in the latest rodent / bug invested kip I'm living in Dublin. Technically at the end if the month I'm homeless. Luckily I can move my stuff back to the home house, where my elderly father still lives. But I can't stay there. Some friends have offered to put me up for the summer. Im lucky in that sense. My cousin has offered me cheap rent on his cottage down the country. But it's a 2.5 hour commute to Dublin. What the hell do I do come September? Rent another room in a house with complete strangers. I can't afford a place of my own. Or risk my life from tiredness of falling asleep behind the wheel commuting !
    Sometimes I feel I'd be better off having not tried to better myself, developed some sort of disorder or health condition, or had 5 kids and got myself on the local authority housing list and have been a social welfare lifer.
    Don't seem to be able to get on with my life for having to tried to be a better person. I'm not expecting sympathy, just that people see the unfair society we are living in. Guessing I'll might get a few haters for this , but it's my truth.

    That's what 50 years of unapologetic liberalism has done to us.
    Our "cannot be assed" workshy set have better lifestyles than a lot of the people who break their back earning an honest crust. They play the system. Drop a half a dozen sprogs, fight tooth and nail for every drop of taxpayers money they can wangle and happy days. Free accommodation and a fat salary with benefits.


  • #98
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    The majority are housed.
    The majority have jobs ( < 6% unemployment rate )

    That means nothing when having a job means a person cannot afford rent/mortgage, childcare, health insurance, the "privilege" of running a car or heaven forbid a private pension.
    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    There will always be an angry gang of "have-nots" who aren't as hard working, or intelligent or have the skills to live in comfort in the location of their choosing.

    Nice description of johnmck, perhaps he should work harder to be principal!


  • #99
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    That's what 50 years of unapologetic liberalism has done to us.
    Our "cannot be assed" workshy set have better lifestyles than a lot of the people who break their back earning an honest crust. They play the system. Drop a half a dozen sprogs, fight tooth and nail for every drop of taxpayers money they can wangle and happy days. Free accommodation and a fat salary with benefits.

    But where do you draw the line? Working 9 months a year isn't breaking your back. So one could easily say that since they get such holidays then any houses should first go to those that work full time.

    The OP has a good education, has plenty of spare time. He has plenty of opportunities.


  • #100
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    But where do you draw the line? Working 9 months a year isn't breaking your back. So one could easily say that since they get such holidays then any houses should first go to those that work full time.

    The OP has a good education, has plenty of spare time. He has plenty of opportunities.
    I think the OP is more entitled to a house in Dublin than a lot of people who get one for free.


  • #101
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    antix80 wrote: »
    an obvious solution is to get yourself into a relationship with a financially stable individual who can pay half the rent and bills without you feeling forced to scrimp to pay rent or share with strangers.

    ...and they say romance is dead :)


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  • #102
    Hobosan
    Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    Don't worry, fresh supplies of Kool-Ai... money! Fresh supplies of money are inbound.


  • #103
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    klaaaz wrote: »
    That means nothing when having a job means a person cannot afford rent/mortgage, childcare, health insurance, the "privilege" of running a car or heaven forbid a private pension.

    If the majority are housed, then it does mean something, that they can afford rent/mortgage.

    Childcare... depends on whether both are working or not.
    Private Health insurance is a luxury and optional.
    Car... no rights to have a car, and since most of the focus of this thread is on Dublin, I work with plenty of people well able to afford a car but don't need one. Again, optional luxury.
    Pension... you can start a pension later in life.

    So the majority are housed and fed.
    They just don't get everything they "want".

    klaaaz wrote: »
    Nice description of johnmck, perhaps he should work harder to be principal!

    It wasn't directed at the OP.
    Although a lot of people who say they would be better off not working don't appreciate wage inflation, experience, promotion etc in the mid to long term.

    Although for the OP, it sounded like he didn't even grow up in Dublin, so it was a choice to go to the most expensive part of the country.


  • #104
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I think
    "ethe OP is more entitled to a house in Dublin than a lot of people who get one for free.

    "entitled" Isn't that the problem.
    In any case getting the "free" house means living where you are put by the council and putting up with dirtbirds


  • #105
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Yeah, it’s completely unfair, OP. A gainfully employed person such as yourself should be able to find good accommodation within reasonably commutable distance from work. I agree with those who say you should go on a wee adventure if you’re single. Why not?

    And it’s okay to offload about feeling down. Better than keeping it all inside, building up.


  • #106
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    But where do you draw the line? Working 9 months a year isn't breaking your back. So one could easily say that since they get such holidays then any houses should first go to those that work full time.

    The OP has a good education, has plenty of spare time. He has plenty of opportunities.

    Agreed. Proper use of the lengthy holidays could really increase earnings. There are plenty ways of doing it and still have a good two week break before going back to school


  • #107
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,346 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    10000maniacs wrote: »

    That's what 50 years of unapologetic liberalism has done to us.
    Our "cannot be assed" workshy set have better lifestyles than a lot of the people who break their back earning an honest crust. They play the system. Drop a half a dozen sprogs, fight tooth and nail for every drop of taxpayers money they can wangle and happy days. Free accommodation and a fat salary with benefits.
    The fact 1 in 5 single parents are living below the poverty line would suggest the lifestyle choice you think is great isn't so great.
    If you are relying on state aid to live you are not living in any great standard of living.

    What is the alternative as we tried locking people up before for being poor or getting pregnant?


  • #108
    johnmck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 415 ✭✭johnmck


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    It is not about being more grateful, it is looking at what you can do rather than what you can't.

    You are clearly intelligent, have plenty of motivation and have got this far. There are plenty of options open to you, but they require that you make decisions.

    You have chosen a profession that will always be stifled in terms of what you can earn (in terms of the core job), but it comes with significant other benefits, such as the holidays. Are these benefits worth it, or do you value other things more?

    But many of the 'problems' you claim are not really that big problems. I fully understand your frustration. You can move to a nicer house, but that would require a bigger commute. Well, yeah, that is the same for everyone. I would like a better car, but that would involve having less money so I choose not to.

    The point being that you are still very much in control. Not might sound like it right now, but put together a plan, based on what is important to you, and work on that.

    If there is no way to get a nice place to live within reasonable commuting distance in Dublin as a teacher, maybe look at moving down the country or taking up a different profession. Simply giving up and expecting that somebody somewhere will sort it all out for you is, unlikely, to happen.

    That is not to say that I don't share your frustrations, but would you really want to live on the dole? No hope, no future, nothing to pass on?
    I'm definitely not giving up. Never have and never will. I've got a few business ideas on the boil at the moment.
    Why don't those who don't work be forced to move out of the city. And.those that do take up their social housing and pay rent on it! Same difference , no !


  • #109
    Tikki Wang Wang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 332 ✭✭Tikki Wang Wang


    People need to get up off their holes and off the dole and just work hard!


  • #110
    johnmck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 415 ✭✭johnmck


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    So OP has a good job, that they like, have had their education subsidised throughout but because they haven't achieved everything they want they want to simply give up? You now have a permanent job, which unlike most people you can almost never lose it, and will only ever have pay increases. Pension is sorted.

    How about looking at a different profession, one that earns more money? Or starting your own business? Doing grinds, or something?

    What about starting up a summer school with the huge holidays you get every year. Or using that time to take classes in investments etc.

    You say your a teacher, and I would say I feel sorry for the children you teach. A bit of a struggle and you, despite having so many advantages that many people would kill for, instead want to feel sorry for yourself.

    Hours of commuting? Really, you finish at 4 every day. And off for most of the summer. Whatever 'hardships' you feel you will face is as nothing compared to what many others deal with.
    I finish teaching at 4, that doesn't mean I finish working at 4. Some nights I dont finish working some nights until 10pm , with marking , prepping etc. You've not worked in education, so you wouldn't know the additional work that goes on outside the classroom


  • #111
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    johnmck wrote: »
    Why don't those who don't work be forced to move out of the city. And.those that do take up their social housing and pay rent on it! Same difference , no !

    Oh we have a snobby teacher(alleged!). For all your moaning about poor people living in flats in the city centre, if they were moved out tomorrow you would still not live in their flats as living in sub standard accommodation is beneath you.


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  • #112
    johnmck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 415 ✭✭johnmck


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Oh we have a snobby teacher(alleged!). For all your moaning about poor people living in flats in the city centre, if they were moved out tomorrow you would still not live in their flats as living in sub standard accommodation is beneath you.

    I'm sure their accommodation is better than the current kip I live in!


  • #113
    johnmck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 415 ✭✭johnmck


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Oh we have a snobby teacher(alleged!). For all your moaning about poor people living in flats in the city centre, if they were moved out tomorrow you would still not live in their flats as living in sub standard accommodation is beneath you.

    Yep, I'm a snob, a hard working middle class snob, thanks


  • #114
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,609 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    johnmck wrote: »
    I already worked for years in the country, got screwed around, never got a permanent post. Feel I'm too old for going abroad to teach English, plus over qualified for that. I'm almost 40. Be fine if I was in my 20s

    Even at almost 40 I would still consider teaching out there for 3/4 years and save up what you need for a house. Ireland is definitely not a place to be right now if you are not a homeowner and single in your 40s. Go abroad, worth hard for a few years and hope in the meantime property prices here drop somewhat and come back and buy something for cash or a small mortgage.

    Also as a permanent teacher doesn't that allow you to take a career break for up to 5 years and still come back to your job? Sounds perfect for working abroad for a few years and then coming back.


  • #115
    Hobosan
    Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    Labour productivity is 6x higher than in the 80's, yet wages have hardly increased.

    Entitlement has also increased drastically. People seem to think that working 6 times more productively will benefit them somehow! What a bunch of entitled morons!


  • #116
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    Hobosan wrote: »
    Labour productivity is 6x higher than in the 80's, yet wages have hardly increased.

    What are you basing that on?
    What's the definition of "labour productivity" ?

    If it's number of staff divided by company profits, then Ireland attracted a lot of multinationals especially in the financial/I.T. sector. So they'll be more profitable than some manual labour food processing plant in the agri-business of the 80's.
    And they are paying good wages.


  • #117
    Interested Observer
    Registered Users Posts: 12,999 ✭✭✭✭Interested Observer


    johnmck wrote: »
    I already worked for years in the country, got screwed around, never got a permanent post. Feel I'm too old for going abroad to teach English, plus over qualified for that. I'm almost 40. Be fine if I was in my 20s

    You don't just have to teach English. My sister is out in the Middle East teaching, she is almost certainly less qualified than you but she has a proper teaching job, gets paid the 12 months of the year and can come home in the summer, payrises and loyalty bonus every year, no income tax. There's a lot to be said for it.


  • #118
    klaaaz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    johnmck wrote: »
    I'm sure their accommodation is better than the current kip I live in!

    Not better, either equal or worse.
    johnmck wrote: »
    Yep, I'm a snob, a hard working middle class snob, thanks

    Thanks for honesty. As for the moaning, what have you done with your massive teacher's salary in that you cannot put a deposit down on a house/apartment? Spent it all I bet instead of saving! Personal responsibility is lost on you.


  • #119
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    shack up with that sexy geography teacher. 2 salaries = mortgage


  • #120
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Tikki Wang Wang wrote: »
    People need to get up off their holes and off the dole and just work hard!

    Useless.


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  • #121
    johnmck
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 415 ✭✭johnmck


    Akrasia wrote: »
    shack up with that sexy geography teacher. 2 salaries = mortgage

    I know one alright, doesn't own her own house haha


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