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Highest HIV level in western Europe, well done Ireland.

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    #92
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    And the band played on very good

    and Angels in America
    The Normal Heart - desperately sad.


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    #93
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Arturo Obnoxious Reggae wrote: »
    The Normal Heart - desperately sad.

    Ill have to watch that.


    An Early Frost was another early HIV/AIDS movie


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    #94
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Until the HSE funds prep this statistic isn’t going to change


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    #95
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    Also male homosexuals have far more sexual partners than heterosexuals and engage in far more dangerous activities (drugs, promiscuity, some really nasty dark stuff there) and HIV is disproportionately a gay, immigrant problem.

    If you are generalising - you should say that.


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    #96
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Until the HSE funds prep this statistic isn’t going to change

    We don't need the HSE.

    Stop importing people into your country who have HIV.


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    #97
    orourkeda1977
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭orourkeda1977


    frag420 wrote: »
    Lately it’s been all Brexit, borders and the children’s hospitals...

    Great to have some positive news!!

    Nice


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    #98
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    We don't need the HSE.

    Stop importing people into your country who have HIV.

    What about the people currently here with HIV or those at high risk?


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    #99
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,799 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    What about the people currently here with HIV or those at high risk?

    Ah you know: Irish and Heterosexual are the good ones, Brazilians and gays are the bad ones. Thats how it is with some of the bigots round here.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #100
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Ah you know: Irish and Heterosexual are the good ones, Brazilians and gays are the bad ones. Thats how it is with some of the bigots round here.

    You canr call them bigots or homophobic or racist or Gammon cos thats offensive

    But queers are riddled


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    #101
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Ah you know: Irish and Heterosexual are the good ones, Brazilians and gays are the bad ones. Thats how it is with some of the bigots round here.

    Or its the whole idea that bringing in infected people into your country to endanger and destroy the lives of other people is not a good idea.

    Here's a case study:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-who-infected-two-partners-with-hiv-jailed-for-ten-years-1.3577406

    And it is more of a gay promiscuity issue, the statistics back that up.


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    #102
    old_aussie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    boredatwork82 wrote: »
    It's grand lads. It's just like chicken pox, you can only get it once.

    Oh dear...stop being bored at work and consult doctor google.

    No wonder AIDS is spreading in Ireland.

    Natural selection.


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    #103
    SKILFUL
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 ✭SKILFUL


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It hasn't risen among people born in Ireland, as the figures I produced have shown.

    Diversity is our strength


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    #104
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    QuintusFabius wrote: »
    So it's mainly the MSM community?

    That's the fake news alright.

    I dont know if it mainly is but it undoubtedly disproportionately affects the gay community, its because HIV is passed much easier through anal sex than vaginal sex.


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    #105
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,183 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Mod NoteIf you make a statement about a group back it up with facts.


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    #106
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    Or its the whole idea that bringing in infected people into your country to endanger and destroy the lives of other people is not a good idea.

    Here's a case study:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-who-infected-two-partners-with-hiv-jailed-for-ten-years-1.3577406

    And it is more of a gay promiscuity issue, the statistics back that up.

    Thats just the Bad AIDS tho tbf


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    #107
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    Or its the whole idea that bringing in infected people into your country to endanger and destroy the lives of other people is not a good idea.

    Here's a case study:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-who-infected-two-partners-with-hiv-jailed-for-ten-years-1.3577406

    And it is more of a gay promiscuity issue, the statistics back that up.

    Thats a newspaper article- paywalled- not a case study dear


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    #108
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    I've had this argument before, I think Prep is a huge step in the wrong direction. As good the intentions were of the people who created the drug, it is grossly misused and is essentially a party drug, allowing people to have unprotected sex with less consequences, however, the issues caused by this are

    1)Prep reduces the chances of HIV infection, it does not protect against any other STI, meaning greater transmission rates (gonorrhea and chlamydia especially)

    but worse

    2)HIV, like all viruses, has stronger and weaker strains, Prep reduces the infection rate, but does not fully prevent transmission, the stronger version of HIV get through and propagate, and the weaker ones are prevented and die off, it doesn't take an evolutionary biologist to realize how dangerous that is.

    The original article in the OP is dangerously stupid, HIV rates were dropping because of education, condom uses massively reduced infection rates, these rates are rising again partly due to Prep, but also a resurgence in hookup culture, with apps like Grindr being hugely responsible, but I guess there's not much to be done about that.


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    #109
    Gimme A Pound
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    old_aussie wrote: »
    Oh dear...stop being bored at work and consult doctor google.

    No wonder AIDS is spreading in Ireland.

    Natural selection.
    They were joking.

    HIV not aids.


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    #110
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Should having sex have more consequences? That sounds like a judgement call.

    Filthy Jezebels


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    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Thats just the Bad AIDS tho tbf

    lbc2019 supports ruining the lives of women being infected by a man who shouldn't have been allowed into the country.

    but at least you're not a bigot! :pac:


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    #112
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    lbc2019 supports ruining the lives of women being infected by a man who shouldn't have been allowed into the country.

    but at least you're not a bigot! :pac:

    Where did you pull that wild assertion from?

    retract it.


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    #113
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    HIV disproportionately affecting the gay community(in the western world ) would be verging on common knowledge, I would have thought

    'Gay and bisexual menc are the population most affected by HIV. In 2017, gay and bisexual men accounted for 66% (25,748) of all HIV diagnoses and 82% of diagnoses among males in the United States.d'

    https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html


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    #114
    Dontfadeaway
    Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Dontfadeaway


    El_Bee wrote: »
    I've had this argument before, I think Prep is a huge step in the wrong direction. As good the intentions were of the people who created the drug, it is grossly misused and is essentially a party drug, allowing people to have unprotected sex with less consequences, however, the issues caused by this are

    1)Prep reduces the chances of HIV infection, it does not protect against any other STI, meaning greater transmission rates (gonorrhea and chlamydia especially)

    but worse

    2)HIV, like all viruses, has stronger and weaker strains, Prep reduces the infection rate, but does not fully prevent transmission, the stronger version of HIV get through and propagate, and the weaker ones are prevented and die off, it doesn't take an evolutionary biologist to realize how dangerous that is.

    The original article in the OP is dangerously stupid, HIV rates were dropping because of education, condom uses massively reduced infection rates, these rates are rising again partly due to Prep, but also a resurgence in hookup culture, with apps like Grindr being hugely responsible, but I guess there's not much to be done about that.

    I'd rather get the other STI's you mentioned than HIV.


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    #115
    SKILFUL
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 ✭SKILFUL


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    lbc2019 supports ruining the lives of women being infected by a man who shouldn't have been allowed into the country.

    but at least you're not a bigot! :pac:
    Toxoplasmosis


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    #116
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    wakka12 wrote: »
    HIV disproportionately affecting the gay community(in the western world ) would be verging on common knowledge, I would have thought

    'Gay and bisexual menc are the population most affected by HIV. In 2017, gay and bisexual men accounted for 66% (25,748) of all HIV diagnoses and 82% of diagnoses among males in the United States.d'

    https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/overview/ataglance.html

    MSM yes, its more easily transmitted.


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    #117
    statesaver
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    lbc2019 wrote: »
    I presume you would apply your principle to both ways?

    Yes. Same applies both ways, as it should.


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    #118
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Dontfadeaway wrote: »
    I'd rather get the other STI's you mentioned than HIV.


    Many strains of chlamydia & gonorrhea are now incurable.


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    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Where did you pull that wild assertion from?

    retract it.

    You said:
    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Thats just the Bad AIDS tho tbf

    Your use of the word just and tho implies that the story I linked is little cause for concern. I posted it as an example of what happens when you let people with these kinds of infections into your country. It's just Bad AIDs according to you though?

    Either you support it or you don't. Unless there is a mixed, good outcome for these women getting infected?


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    #120
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    You said:



    Your use of the word just and tho implies that the story I linked is little cause for concern. I posted it as an example of what happens when you let people with these kinds of infections into your country. It's just Bad AIDs according to you though?

    no, you made an assumption on what it implies.

    You can't just do that and use it to accuse people.

    Most people would recognise where the phrase originates


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    #121
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    no, you made an assumption on what it implies.

    You can't just do that and use it to accuse people.

    Most people would recognise where the phrase originates

    That's the whole point of posting on a message board.

    You assume something based on something they wrote.

    Is Bad AIDS gay community slang?


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