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Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

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  • #92
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Five Green Bottles wrote: »
    Gender can not be in anyway separated from the issue
    Hullaballoo's instruction was clear enough: Ciara Kelly's gender is irrelevant to this thread. Drop it, all of you.

    Last warning. The previous comments will be reviewed now, and may be actioned.

    In the mean time, any more of this ongoing fixation with the presenter's gender = infraction/ ban.


  • #93
    Alicano
    Registered Users Posts: 441 ✭✭Alicano


    I liked GH on The Right Hook. I've listened to him and NT since it launched. There was a good chemistry between Ciara Kelly and George at the start when she contributed in the health slot. I haven't warmed to High Noon but in fairness it's not a typical time of day when I'd be around a radio.
    Ciara's media profile has grown and she enjoys it. I actually think she does well considering she's technically a doctor with little to no media training. And she'll get better. I would agree with a post (in here or in NT thread) that she already has a successful and well paid career in medicine. And that this is taking a position from someone who has trained in broadcast journalism, that they would dream of.
    But it's all fair imo. You want to take the High Noon slot or any other. Go and do it better and get noticed. NT need to confirm Ciara or someone else and move on to other issues.


  • #94
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Midday was not a good slot for GH I don't think. I'm usually shuffling around the office and mighn't actually turn on the radio until 11 or later. Tbh, if it was 11.30 or after, I'd usually leave it off until 2 for Moncrief because I didn't want to be going straight into Hook - I'd need a good dose of Pat before settling into George and I didn't find his grouching particularly appealing when the hunger pangs were kicking in for lunch. Don't really have that issue with CK, she keeps the format relatively breezy and it's pretty easy listening compared to Hook. The one worry I'd have is if she were to get stuck fully into D'Arcy school of sermonizing which she can veer towards at times.


  • #95
    bloodless_coup
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Don't really have that issue with CK, she keeps the format relatively breezy and it's pretty easy listening compared to Hook. The one worry I'd have is if she were to get stuck fully into D'Arcy school of sermonizing which she can veer towards at times.

    Careful now, the thought police have warned you plenty times about bringing up gender.


  • #96
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    doylefe wrote: »
    Careful now, the thought police have warned you plenty times about bringing up gender.

    Amazingly, you can talk about someone and use their correct gendered pronouns without using their gender as a metaphorical stick to beat them with. I understand it is a crazy concept for some to grasp.


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  • #97
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    My original point was that NewsTalk seem to be trying to reboot the lunchtime show. Most regular Hook listeners would not by definition like being preached at. It has now become sermonising central.

    They should be more specific in what their intentions are. They seem to have decided to discount the
    Hook listenership and are now going for a different demographic without telling anyone.

    Bad move I would have thought in a ratings driven business.
    But when you let politics drive your agenda what can you expect.


  • #98
    Vorenus400
    Registered Users Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Vorenus400


    quintana76 wrote: »
    My original point was that NewsTalk seem to be trying to reboot the lunchtime show. Most regular Hook listeners would not by definition like being preached at. It has now become sermonising central.

    They should be more specific in what their intentions are. They seem to have decided to discount the
    Hook listenership and are now going for a different demographic without telling anyone.

    Bad move I would have thought in a ratings driven business.
    But when you let politics drive your agenda what can you expect.

    High Noon since the beginning has been about outrage and taking offence at whatever is the story of the day. George's monologues and "How Dare They." speeches started most shows. It has always been about preaching and sermonising. It was just more entertaining when George did it

    It does seem like a different show now so I think they should scrap the name and make a new show


  • #99
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users Posts: 19,571 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Vorenus400 wrote: »

    It does seem like a different show now so I think they should scrap the name and make a new show

    Give Moncrieff back the extra hour. Actually, give him the two hours to say sorry for taking an hour in the first place.


  • #100
    Conservative
    Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Conservative


    Completely agree! With the options at hand they should take a half hour off HN and Yates and return Moncrieff to the 1.30-4.30 slot. Sean is one of the only other broadcasters in the country who can engage an audience for 15 hours a week.


  • #101
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,636 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    God she was clueless today when discussing the UK proposal of jailing people who look at radical material online


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  • #102
    [Deleted User]
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    God she was clueless today when discussing the UK proposal of jailing people who look at radical material online
    Yes, that was particularly brutal.

    The criminology academic kept trying to explain why you can't feasibly police these videos, one of which he mentioned has 1.2 million hits; and CK just didn't get it.

    Finally, she 'agreed to disagree' with the expert, and some texter explained to her what the expert had been saying all along, "if 100 people watch a video, and only 5 of them are terrorists, you can't go depriving the other 95 of their liberty" (or words to that effect), which she finally copped was a fair point.


  • #103
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    VinLieger wrote: »
    God she was clueless today when discussing the UK proposal of jailing people who look at radical material online

    Yeah, it was a car crash interview but your man really should have been able to break it down simply for her the way the texter did.


  • #104
    death1234567
    Registered Users Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭death1234567


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Yeah, it was a car crash interview but your man really should have been able to break it down simply for her the way the texter did.
    It wasn't exactly rocket science, you'd assume given that she's a doctor she has at least a reasonable level of intelligence.


  • #105
    [Deleted User]
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Yeah, it was a car crash interview but your man really should have been able to break it down simply for her the way the texter did.
    that's true, he wasn't a great communicator; but it should be obvious to any intelligent person, as CK is, why it is unacceptable (and impractical) to deprive such a large amount of people of their liberty, however fleeting, for engaging with political ideas that the Government reject.

    That's going down a very dark road, as I think most people were able to understand.


  • #106
    BarryD2
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    quintana76 wrote: »
    My original point was that NewsTalk seem to be trying to reboot the lunchtime show. Most regular Hook listeners would not by definition like being preached at. It has now become sermonising central.

    Agree - caught the start today in the car and 'turned the dial', as Newstalk like to say.


  • #107
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,636 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Yeah, it was a car crash interview but your man really should have been able to break it down simply for her the way the texter did.

    He did break it down simply shes just too stuck in her bizarre insistence on trying to be the contrary opinion to everyone shes interviewing that even when its as basic as he put it she refuses to accept the facts.


  • #108
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    See that NewsTalk have just announced that irish Times journalists are now barred from the station as a result of their interference in the Hook affair.
    Bet they weren't expecting that.


  • #109
    ghostdancer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭ghostdancer


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Yes, that was particularly brutal.

    The criminology academic kept trying to explain why you can't feasibly police these videos, one of which he mentioned has 1.2 million hits; and CK just didn't get it.

    Finally, she 'agreed to disagree' with the expert, and some texter explained to her what the expert had been saying all along, "if 100 people watch a video, and only 5 of them are terrorists, you can't go depriving the other 95 of their liberty" (or words to that effect), which she finally copped was a fair point.
    her whole justification for the legislation seemed to be that it was needed "to identify these jihadists", when even a tiny bit of critical thinking on her part would have established that the people who repeatedly watch these videos can be (and are being) monitored already without the legislation. this measure is about jailing people who watch the videos/material, not identifying them.


  • #110
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    quintana76 wrote: »
    See that NewsTalk have just announced that irish Times journalists are now barred from the station as a result of their interference in the Hook affair.
    Bet they weren't expecting that.
    Bizarre.

    This puts Newstalk at a clear disadvantage when it comes to breaking Irish news and investigative reporting when it is broken by the Irish Times.

    As far as I know, The Irish Times is one of only two media outlets in the country with permanently-stationed foreign correspondents. The Independent doesn't have the same capacity to report on short-notice from international breaking news events, and how they might impact Ireland. Brexit, for example.

    Having said that, I think a fair few Irish Times journalists may already be boycotting Newstalk/ Communicorp.


  • #111
    Ol' Donie
    Registered Users Posts: 19,571 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    Sooo...

    No more Gerry Thornley or Conor Pope?

    Who else do they have from the IT?

    Isn't this cutting off their nose to spite their face, ruling out contributors to their shows who haven't even commented on this whole fiasco?

    Or is it, as suspected, another stage in this saga that keeps Newstalk in the national news?


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  • #112
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Don't read newspapers so didn't realize Gerry Thornley was one of them. What will we do now for Monday / Wednesday night rugby on OTB?


  • #113
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    In light of some posts that have appeared here in the past 24 hours, please see the updated warning in the first post of this thread.


  • #114
    PeterTheNinth
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    quintana76 wrote: »
    See that NewsTalk have just announced that irish Times journalists are now barred from the station as a result of their interference in the Hook affair.
    Bet they weren't expecting that.

    Where'd you see that I can not find mention of it anywhere?

    okay I found it. http://www.thejournal.ie/newstalk-irish-times-3631283-Oct2017/

    So presumably then Newstalk will not allow IT journalists on to their shows until they fire Fintan O'Toole?



    ..


  • #115
    DeanAustin
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    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    Where'd you see that I can not find mention of it anywhere?

    okay I found it. http://www.thejournal.ie/newstalk-irish-times-3631283-Oct2017/

    So presumably then Newstalk will not allow IT journalists on to their shows until they fire Fintan O'Toole?



    ..

    Well that's it. I'm done with Newstalk. Outrageous decision.


  • #116
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    If it applies to all DOB outlets it could be the beginning of a war of attrition between Do'B and the IT to get O'Toole fired.
    I wouldn't say Fintan is used to being on the receiving end. It will come as a shock.


  • #117
    foxtrot101
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    quintana76 wrote: »
    If it applies to all DOB outlets it could be the beginning of a war of attrition between Do'B and the IT to get O'Toole fired.
    I wouldn't say Fintan is used to being on the receiving end. It will come as a shock.

    There's no mention anywhere of anyone wanting O'Toole fired. They asked for an apology and for the retraction of the column, The Irish Times refused. Communicorp could take the IT to court, but they won't.


  • #118
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,057 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    So no more dissenting voices allowed on Newstalk.

    Gotta keep their fragile presenter's space safe, I guess :pac:


  • #119
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    For all Newstalk Fans the current issue of Phoenix may be of interest: https://www.thephoenix.ie/article/denis-obrien-to-dump-newstalk/ it won't be missed - by me anyway.

    ****



  • #120
    omerin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭omerin


    The doctor is too lightweight for this show and hasn't got a grasp of the topics she is discussing or the research team are bad. No more evident then when she keeps on saying "and all that kinda stuff", this really annoys me.

    Could they not do us a favour and change the schedule to add 1 hour to the breakfast show (ideally without Williams) then have Pat on until 1.30?


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  • #121
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,134 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    In fairness it's still only early days for CK.

    Can she grow into the role I dunno, but it's a bit rash to judge her after only 2 or 3 weeks.


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