ASTI ballot

trebormurf wrote: »

Didn’t most NQTs take the short term view to join the TUI in recent years to get quicker CIDs? Is it possible, that once again they’ve adopted the short term view - to be a couple of quid better off every week, we’ll agree to inequality in the profession forever? Unions are dead, Me Feinism is alive & well methinks.

Have to agree,unfortunately.:(

I've worked between both etb & vol sectors for yrs and have always been ASTI. I was in a dual union school when ASTI were striking a couple of yrs ago and strongly urged at the time to jump ship if I wanted to be kept on as all the mgt team had previously moved from ASTI to TUI which I thought was disgraceful. I'm so disappointed TUI have sold us out again today. I'm just in from an open night at my local etb school. scheduled to finish at 9.30 but still going strong when I left at 10.30. I honestly can't see how they expect to out before 11.15/20. Almost 2 hrs of an overrun. deliberately done as they knew how long it'd take. I was thinking coming home the poor f****ers are they getting screwed on CP hrs - officially being put down as 3 hrs but in reality its 5? Well you know what folks? You've consistently voted to agree to the worsening of terms & conditions which ultimately have affected all teachers. And you reap what you sow. My daughter has always said she'd love to be a teacher but I cannot in good faith recommend it to her. I'll be activately encourgaging her to look at other careers.

judeboy101 wrote: »

3 guesses what the result will be

I feel it's bound to be accepted if TUI was 53%/47%, INTO are usually the least militant of all the unions, but still can't help but hold out that little glimmer of hope.

It's a pity that INTO are least likely to vote NO, because at the end of the day, them striking for a few days would bring the whole thing to a head a lot faster. Nobody really cares if teens have a day or two off, but if parents have to take time off to mind children talks might actually move on at pace.

In a way it's immaterial what INTO does too, the only helpful result would have been to get all 3 unions on the one page and go from there, but no, TUI exec didn't bother their arses doing what they were mandated to do.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Any theories as to the lack of anything from the INTO today?

50/50?? What u reckon? I'd say around 7ish if we're lucky.

evolving_doors wrote: »

Very interesting.

I thought all unions agreed not to take action unless all 3 rejected pssa.Did I dream that?

Pity TUI 3rd level got promised some sweeties during the summer.

Ya.. That seemed to be what had been agreed at convention by all three unions. However, we've only one that has rejected now and I hope ASTI will do the same. It would be nice for both unions to strike together if they have both rejected.

The next few weeks will definitely be interesting. I wonder what will happen at INTO CEC next week. Do they already have a strike mandate or will they have to re-ballot?

The worst they could do is go into talks again that produce the same jargon. It's industrial action or nothing now in my mind.

Sir123 wrote: »

I wonder what will happen at INTO CEC next week. Do they already have a strike mandate or will they have to re-ballot?

I understand that under INTO rules, a two-thirds majority in a further ballot is required for industrial action.

Are INTO CEC bound now by various Congress motions to recommend a yes vote for industrial action if it goes to a vote? Don't think it will get that far as no appetite and doubt a 2/3 majority is achievable.

INTO CEC pushed hard for a yes vote behind the scenes. 55% turnout on the vote. Contrary to BS on this thread, the no vote was pushed by long serving union members. LPTs were split based on whether they benefitted or not.

Despite this vote there are scary times ahead for INTO. Three appalling candidates running for Gen Sec, including the utterly incompetent, lily livered conservative, John Boyle, the current President.

killbillvol2 wrote: »

INTO CEC pushed hard for a yes vote behind the scenes. 55% turnout on the vote. Contrary to BS on this thread, the no vote was pushed by long serving union members. LPTs were split based on whether they benefitted or not.

Despite this vote there are scary times ahead for INTO. Three appalling candidates running for Gen Sec, including the utterly incompetent, lily livered conservative, John Boyle, the current President.

ASTI CEC pushing for a yes as well.

killbillvol2 wrote: »

INTO CEC pushed hard for a yes vote behind the scenes. 55% turnout on the vote. Contrary to BS on this thread, the no vote was pushed by long serving union members. LPTs were split based on whether they benefitted or not.

Despite this vote there are scary times ahead for INTO. Three appalling candidates running for Gen Sec, including the utterly incompetent, lily livered conservative, John Boyle, the current President.

Below is the main text of a briefing email issued by one of the INTO CEC Reps. They are almost certainly in a panic now and are utterly unprepared for today's result:


• 14 public service unions are already signed up to PSSA incl nurses and Gardai. Only the 3 teacher unions are still outside as we have an issue with pay inequality for entrants after 2010.
• As a result of negotiations pay equality has been restored to 98%. These restorations and now in PSSA. It is not a full and final settlement and the INTO hopes to claw back the remaining restoration in the next round of pay talks due to start in late 2019
• Everyone is affected by PSSA not just new entrants. There are pay uplifts for all including the 1% received on the 1st October, pension parity, CIDs after 2 years.
• If there is a no vote INTO will immediately ballot for strike action after Halloween.
• I there is a no to strike action by the membership the negotiating power of INTO will be severely diminished.
• A yes to strike action means there will be a long and sustained campaign of strike action. This will be to get back into talks to resolve pay equality. (We may be the only union on strike). We would be trying to bring forward talks that are already scheduled for late 2019.
• Strike action repudiates the agreement which means that all the pay uplifts on offer for new entrants, pay increases for all members, increment freezes until 2020 for all, CIDS etc are lost and we go back to the start with negotiations.

evolving_doors wrote: »

Does that mean no croke park hours?

Who knows? She certainly doesn't - that email was designed to shore up a Yes vote and the consequences of No haven't been planned for.