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11-05-2020, 12:16   #76
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I watched a documentary on this, Darky Hughes and GA were real tight until Darky went to prison in the 80s. When he got out GA wouldn't talk to him.

Danny Morrison claims SF tried to talk Sands and come sway from the strike but many would argue otherwise
Ed Moloney's Voices From the Grave sets out Hughes' account in detail. It's good but I wouldn't take him entirely on face value; moralising about relatively minor issues from the time he fell out with Adams whereas his involvement in Bloody Friday when his star was on the rise didn't seem to cause him a moments bother.

Sadly for history it seems similar revelations won't be forthcoming as the PSNI made an idiotic and hopeless attempt to base prosecutions on such posthumously published accounts.
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Why did you attend their funerals? Did you know them.
Well, over 100,000 people went to Bobby Sands funeral, Im guessing most didn't personally know him, maybe 2000 - 3000 at the funeral would have known Bobby Sands. The other mourners were there to pay their respects from all over Ireland.
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Why would you call yourself after a group that murdered about 35 innocent people, seriously injuring many many others in a bombing campaign plus an unarmed policeman. Can only assume you have some pride in these brave actions. What was it all for?
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We'll talk about it tonight.
A little brother for Sinéad,
Aye....or a sister....it very well might,
It might just be that.
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Kiss.
Kiss.
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Down the yard the car was parked
And just as well.
Key in the ignition
And a fireball out of hell
With bloody blast and blaze
And bits of brain are dripping
From the apple tree,
Left hand is hiding under next doors hedge.
The right is fused around the key,
And all the bits they found are in a box
With his cap on top
That Ireland might be free.
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First off appreciate the courteous and respectful tone of rejoinder. Often these debates descend into abuse.

As to Adams, I dont believe he risked a thing. Remember he was never "in" the IRA . Happy enough to send other peoples children out to murder for him though. What was it all for?

Embraced the peace process to save his own skin when he realised the provos were thouroughly infiltrated. Think he is a treacherous sick individual capable of anything.

As to other poster any history book beyond the Wolfe Tones sheet music records that the people of Dublin jeered the IRA leaders as they were led away but sentiment changed when the leaders were executed. Think they were seen as eejits who did not deserve death.

The point I am making is that sociopathic individuals intervene again and again in Irish history to take advantage.

Remember when the British Army arrived in Belfast they were welcomed in Catholic areas as they were sent to protect them from a malevolent Protestant majority who were burning them out.

Didn't suit Adams and McGuiness & Co who spotted a career move - regardless of cost.

Bottom line murdering achieves nothing but death and pain
You are aware that Adams was subject to gun and bomb attacks and had several serious attempts on his life and he spent many years on the run never spending more than a couple of days in one house. Doesn't sound like someone who didn't risk a thing.

The IRA were finished as the formal British forces were executing IRA personnel. This they could handle. They used their proxies to murder the family members of republicans though. This is what sapped morale and put the writing on the wall. Dirty business
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Like to hear from Corks finest again, He seems to have had some involvement on the sharp end and put some thought into it afterwards. Was it worth it? Was there no other way? Were there any winners?
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You are aware that Adams was subject to gun and bomb attacks and had several serious attempts on his life and he spent many years on the run never spending more than a couple of days in one house. Doesn't sound like someone who didn't risk a thing.

The IRA were finished as the formal British forces were executing IRA personnel. This they could handle. They used their proxies to murder the family members of republicans though. This is what sapped morale and put the writing on the wall. Dirty business
OK good point although if you are in the business of indiscriminate widespread murder and maiming of civilians you might expect to get some comeback. I assume the executing IRA personnel as the shoot to kill policy. Never heard of the targeting of family members though so many were welded to murder and thuggery as a way of life nothing would surprise me. Remain of the view that Gerry is a deeply sinister individual who only grabbed the peace process when it was clear that self preservation was best served by that
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Like to hear from Corks finest again, He seems to have had some involvement on the sharp end and put some thought into it afterwards. Was it worth it? Was there no other way? Were there any winners?
Not worth it TBH, once the box was opened couldn't be closed again,
All sides lost
GFA a failure where it should work most- dissafected working class youth AKA fodder for whomever gives them an identity,
They need education/ work/ mortgages hope / not in supply I'm afraid.
UDA biggest pushers in the 6 counties
Real IRA etc etc biggest oil/ cigarette smugglers in Ireland
Provos leftovers joining new IRA
SF losing out in Derry especially to independent dissident politics/ SDLP
IRA businesses well and truly hidden in building/ pubs/foreign property
INLA run pubs etc even in Cork
Meanwhile jails have all different groups within ie
Some Cork republicans in portlaoise prison down with Dessie o Hare ,
Other Cork republicans on the main wing don't mix with others
Maghaberry prison same
So the poison is continuing to be stirred
Only way this stops is
1. Jobs
2.education
3. Mixed housing/ schools
4. Dialogue ( it's ongoing atm)
5. Devolved government with a Hong Kong style of withdrawal
PS if it didn't happen Roman Catholics would still be 2nd class citizens at best

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Thanks so much for the reply. Have lived entire life in the safety of Dublin appalled by what was going on without having to deal with any of it directly. Agree with all you say.

Slightly encouraged by this post in that differing views seem to be respected plus there is a willingness to listen which is not often the case and certainly was not in the past. The crime/prison roadmap you set out is depressing though but is mirrored in abandoned working class estates in Dublin where the only future many kids can see is as a member of some local drug cartel, a Gucci hat and stupid watch
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Not worth it TBH, once the box was opened couldn't be closed again,
All sides lost
GFA a failure where it should work most- dissafected working class youth AKA fodder for whomever gives them an identity,
They need education/ work/ mortgages hope / not in supply I'm afraid.
UDA biggest pushers in the 6 counties
Real IRA etc etc biggest oil/ cigarette smugglers in Ireland
Provos leftovers joining new IRA
SF losing out in Derry especially to independent dissident politics/ SDLP
IRA businesses well and truly hidden in building/ pubs/foreign property
INLA run pubs etc even in Cork
Meanwhile jails have all different groups within ie
Some Cork republicans in portlaoise prison down with Dessie o Hare ,
Other Cork republicans on the main wing don't mix with others
Maghaberry prison same
So the poison is continuing to be stirred
Only way this stops is
1. Jobs
2.education
3. Mixed housing/ schools
4. Dialogue ( it's ongoing atm)
5. Devolved government with a Hong Kong style of withdrawal
PS if it didn't happen Roman Catholics would still be 2nd class citizens at best

Solid post mate, lot of nails firmly hit on the head

One factor worth highlighting is class. Religion was and is the stick to beat the North with but no one mentions the class structure.

60s civil rights was an attempt by the Catholic underclass for equal access to housing and university

The Protestant upper class didn't want to share the pie but it was labeled sectarianism.

Sure, there was+ is a hatred of Catholics but it was mostly about money.

Recent evidence of this class structure is how ruling class Protestants treat working class Protestants. The Catholic Minister for Education several year ago highlighted that fewer working class Protestants were attending 3rd level education than their Catholic peers.
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Solid post mate, lot of nails firmly hit on the head

One factor worth highlighting is class. Religion was and is the stick to beat the North with but no one mentions the class structure.

60s civil rights was an attempt by the Catholic underclass for equal access to housing and university

The Protestant upper class didn't want to share the pie but it was labeled sectarianism.

Sure, there was+ is a hatred of Catholics but it was mostly about money.

Recent evidence of this class structure is how ruling class Protestants treat working class Protestants. The Catholic Minister for Education several year ago highlighted that fewer working class Protestants were attending 3rd level education than their Catholic peers.
It is of ultimate irony,those who oppose reunification the most,will likely gain from it the most too....working class loyalists



Francis hughes anniversary today too
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Not worth it TBH, once the box was opened couldn't be closed again,
All sides lost
GFA a failure where it should work most- dissafected working class youth AKA fodder for whomever gives them an identity,
They need education/ work/ mortgages hope / not in supply I'm afraid.

UDA biggest pushers in the 6 counties
Real IRA etc etc biggest oil/ cigarette smugglers in Ireland
Provos leftovers joining new IRA
SF losing out in Derry especially to independent dissident politics/ SDLP
IRA businesses well and truly hidden in building/ pubs/foreign property
INLA run pubs etc even in Cork
Meanwhile jails have all different groups within ie
Some Cork republicans in portlaoise prison down with Dessie o Hare ,
Other Cork republicans on the main wing don't mix with others
Maghaberry prison same
So the poison is continuing to be stirred
Only way this stops is
1. Jobs
2.education
3. Mixed housing/ schools
4. Dialogue ( it's ongoing atm)
5. Devolved government with a Hong Kong style of withdrawal
PS if it didn't happen Roman Catholics would still be 2nd class citizens at best
Get off the stage now boy, for the love of God.
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Get off the stage now boy, for the love of God.
Wind yer neck in mate

OP is answering a question with a detailed response which I feel is to the point and honest
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Wind yer neck in mate

OP is answering a question with a detailed response which I feel is to the point and honest
Who, besides you, care's what you feel "mate"?
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