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Slane Girl discussion?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Goat the dote


    Is it not obvious?

    The subject matter is the picture of an underage girl in the middle of an act that actually falls under child pornography. I cannot understand how anyone can object & want discussion on this. The internet is ****ing nuts.


    Do we know for definite that she's underage?
    Only heard about kpmg girl for the first time today, and watched the video. You'd see similar in any late night fast food place on a Saturday night. Drunken muppetry.
    I genuinely hope this girl is ok and has a lot of support. She will need it


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    I never said I wanted discussion to be allowed. I'm asking why the same kind of standard isn't applied in other instances. Pretty straight forward I would have thought.. but continue to cherry pick if you want.

    To be honest it seems to me like you're over-simplifying your examples to indicate they fall into the same category.

    In my view it's quite clear that they don't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭DeadlyH83


    Feel desperately sorry for the girls family


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    To be honest it seems to me like you're over-simplifying your examples to indicate they fall into the same category.

    In my view it's quite clear that they don't.
    Agreed. It's not cherry picking, it's a constant judgement call based on allowing free discussion versus potential harm.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭CastingCouch


    The girl has deleted her instagram and twitter (I've read).

    Feel so bad for her. The guys hopefully get dealt with as she is 16. No need for a discussion on it.


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  • Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭ Maren Wrong Giraffe


    Do we know for definite that she's underage?
    Only heard about kpmg girl for the first time today, and watched the video. You'd see similar in any late night fast food place on a Saturday night. Drunken muppetry.
    I genuinely hope this girl is ok and has a lot of support. She will need it

    When I seen it trending everywhere I seen the pic and I was actually disgusted by it to be honest, she looks very young.... I have read elsewhere she is underage but I haven't looked into nor will I. I think Dav is of the same opinion from his post on this thread. There is a high chance she is underage so I don't think it is worth risking it just for the sake of a pointless discussion?

    Stuff like what she has done has been happening for years I know from going to gigs myself growing up you seen all kinds of stuff but nowadays with everyone having a camera phone stuff like this happens & it is on the internet instantly. Once there was a video of me on Bebo extremely drunk and getting sick at a friend's 18th about 10 years ago, I was extremely embarrassed even though stuff like that was the norm so much so I even closed my Bebo :o so I can only imagine how bad this girl feels. She done something stupid while she was drunk & now she'll probably have to live with it the rest of her life. So I don't think Boards needs to add to the carnage that already exists for the sake of a few posters wanting to apparently discuss what is wrong with society.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    endacl wrote: »
    My two cents?

    I wish people would stop discussing it before her name leaks out and is attached to the image.

    I'd say kpmg girl could join a conversation in the pub about kpmg girl at this point, and nobody would have a clue it was her.

    I'd like to think she could put this behind her. If shutting down discussion here helps this, I'm all for it. If people want to talk about it, there is a real life option. Go talk to somebody.

    I think there's a touch of the king kanut about that. There is no holding back the tide - everyone who knows her personally has already seen those pictures, her name is out. In fact maybe she won't even be all that bothered, lets face it she didn't seem like the shy wallflower type!

    When i asked this morning what the whole thing was about, to be honest i was expecting something a lot worse than this. It's hardly an everyday occurrence - but it's also not THAT shocking. You see it at practically every concert or festival she was just unfortunate to get caught twice! That being said, i'm still glad it's not my daughter!


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,042 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    To be honest it seems to me like you're over-simplifying your examples to indicate they fall into the same category.

    In my view it's quite clear that they don't.

    They are in the same category insofar as people are posting pictures, making assumptions, attacking the character of and generally being nasty towards the people involved. Despite them being presumed innocent at this point in time.

    And that's only one example anyway. You guys know full well that people are regularly subjected to all sorts of abuse and vitriolic nonsense for little more reason than being recorded acting the goat in public. If the decision to disallow discussion is based solely on her age, and Boards' attempt to avoid legal repercussions then that's fine. But people are making it out to be some sort of moralistic endeavour.. wishing the poor girl well; while in other threads hurling abuse at people for making poor decisions, and essentially celebrating the fact that they're now paying the price for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    She consented to her own actions though

    We don't know the social, physical or mental states of all the parties involved. Pictures can possibly be very misleading. They don't tell a full story or establish context. (Remember this one? The woman in question is actually after being whacked to the ground bleeding with a baton. That's not how many people initially read the picture!) People have in the past given consent to rape as means of denying of what actually happened. Not by any means implying this is exactly the case here but just pointing out how blurred reality can be and a photograph never really captures that complexity. It can't!

    100% agree with the thread being closed and deleted. Some of the posts in it were borderline libellous!


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    That's a very good point jernal.
    It's also an amazing photo, i remember being shocked when i heard about her having just being clobbered too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Goat the dote


    Jernal what is the backstory to that photo?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭btard


    The girl has deleted her instagram and twitter (I've read).

    Feel so bad for her. The guys hopefully get dealt with as she is 16. No need for a discussion on it.

    So there's no need for a discussion on it, but there is a need for you to demonise the boys involved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    endacl wrote: »
    My two cents?

    I wish people would stop discussing it before her name leaks out and is attached to the image.

    I'd say kpmg girl could join a conversation in the pub about kpmg girl at this point, and nobody would have a clue it was her.

    I'd like to think she could put this behind her. If shutting down discussion here helps this, I'm all for it. If people want to talk about it, there is a real life option. Go talk to somebody.

    Regrettably the young girls name is now all over the net as are further pictures (no I havnt seen them, the descriptions were enough).
    I feel dreadfully sorry the girl and her family ( I have a teenage daughter myself). while modern technology has many pluses it also has a serious downside.
    I also see no need for a thread on this incident, there is an obvious risk factor given the girls apparent young age, I'm glad it was closed.
    Sometimes common sense and decency have to take precedence over peoples view that anything and everything should be fair game for discussion on web forums.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    stankratz wrote: »
    Right so they were all washed and tucked in their beds for 11.
    What's the point in exaggerating - did anyone say 11?

    The thread was started at about 12.30. Seeing as there was absolutely no mod intervention for the next two hours, obviously there were no AH mods online.
    Because going by some of the stuff that was being posted, obviously there would have been intervention if there were. I fully expected the thread to be locked or deleted by this morning - it was bound to happen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Jernal what is the backstory to that photo?

    The woman was supposedly hit by rioters and then when the police charged the couple couldn't move out of the way. The police pushed their through them but in the process knocked the woman to ground and her head hit the pavement.

    Linky.
    (That I only skimmed but it seems to hold the gist of the story. :))


  • Registered Users Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Mammanabammana



    Feel so bad for her. The guys hopefully get dealt with as she is 16. No need for a discussion on it.

    Finding this attitude quite interesting since your username is an exploitative practice that still goes on and effectively amounts to rape. For those who may not know, the casting couch was (and still is) a method whereby men in power would demand sexual favours from women in return for giving them career advancing opportunities. It originated in Hollywood, hence the term 'casting', but it has a far broader usage now. Still amounts to the same thing though - forcing sex on somebody who more often than not is unwilling to partake.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Finding this attitude quite interesting since your username is an exploitative practice that still goes on and effectively amounts to rape. For those who may not know, the casting couch was (and still is) a method whereby men in power would demand sexual favours from women in return for giving them career advancing opportunities. It originated in Hollywood, hence the term 'casting', but it has a far broader usage now. Still amounts to the same thing though - forcing sex on somebody who more often than not is unwilling to partake.

    The casting couch the posters username and avatar relates to is part of a paid gig.
    Not rape, or anything like it............. "For those who may not know".


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    They are in the same category insofar as people are posting pictures, making assumptions, attacking the character of and generally being nasty towards the people involved. Despite them being presumed innocent at this point in time.

    They are in the same category insofar as people have different opinions on what happened. That's the same story with all the other threads.

    Sure, there are some negative comments about people in some threads. The best recourse there in most cases is to argue with them and show these people to be incorrect.

    I don't see the need, in the general case, for moderatorial input when there's a broad spectrum of opinion on a story being reprinted and discussed in the world media.

    Just because people have negative opinions on some woman in Lima on drugs charges doesn't mean that that applies in any way to this situation.

    I think the implication is a little less than generous.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭CastingCouch


    btard wrote: »
    So there's no need for a discussion on it, but there is a need for you to demonise the boys involved.

    Who said anything about demonising them?
    They broke the law and hopefully they suffer the consquences.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    I think one difference between discussing the pictures of the girl involved in the Peru drug smuggling incident is that they willingly posted the photos themselves. That's not to say that I agree with the abuse they're attracting.

    I doubt the girl in this incident consented to, or was even aware, that they would be made public. Regardless of her age, or the reasons for her actions, it's appalling that someone posted them. It will have a long lasting effect on her life.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭CastingCouch


    I even think this thread should be locked. No mention of it at all would be best.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,195 ✭✭✭maximoose


    Regrettably the young girls name is now all over the net as are further pictures

    I was just reading an article on an irish site about the whole thing, and people going out of their way to name her in the comments section. Pathetic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Finding this attitude quite interesting since your username is an exploitative practice that still goes on and effectively amounts to rape. For those who may not know, the casting couch was (and still is) a method whereby men in power would demand sexual favours from women in return for giving them career advancing opportunities. It originated in Hollywood, hence the term 'casting', but it has a far broader usage now. Still amounts to the same thing though - forcing sex on somebody who more often than not is unwilling to partake.
    Not relevant to the topic. My username would suggest that I spend all my free time shopping, but it's not an accurate reflection of reality. Does your username have any specific meaning in the context of your life or outlook?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    Who said anything about demonising them?
    They broke the law and hopefully they suffer the consquences.
    I haven't seen said photographs but is it clear that the boys are not minors themselves? I mean just before with get the lynching party together.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,195 ✭✭✭maximoose


    I haven't seen said photographs but is it clear that the boys are not minors themselves? I mean just before with get the lynching party together.

    It's not, no. And the girl appears to be 17 anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    maximoose wrote: »
    I was just reading an article on an irish site about the whole thing, and people going out of their way to name her in the comments section. Pathetic.

    It is and it gets way way worse when the names aren't even consistent. Then you've got even worse problems of everyone in this world having several look-alikes. The "wrong" person, if you could claim such a thing, could end up getting a barrage of abuse and not be able to "prove" otherwise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 959 ✭✭✭ZeRoY


    Is it not obvious?

    The subject matter is the picture of an underage girl in the middle of an act that actually falls under child pornography. I cannot understand how anyone can object & want discussion on this. The internet is ****ing nuts.

    Its not because the protagonists are underaged or that it touches child pornography that genuine questions/discussions cant be ask/held! This is a forum of discussion after all - as said earlier the big 25+ pages thread OP was on about the morality of the all taking pic > shaming online, I think it was a very good topic of discussion, especially at the moment. The problem came from the fact that no Mods/Admin were on and the thread ended with far too many trolls...


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Is there anything to be said for doubling the amount of mods on AH? With utmost respect to current mods I have been getting the feeling that the modding has been less visible over the past few months. Perhaps because of deletions rather than locks and bans by PM not on thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭btard


    Who said anything about demonising them?
    They broke the law and hopefully they suffer the consquences.

    Words fail me.


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  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ Eason Nutritious Muddy


    ZeRoY wrote: »
    Its not because the protagonists are underaged or that it touches child pornography that genuine questions/discussions cant be ask/held! This is a forum of discussion after all - as said earlier the big 25+ pages thread OP was on about the morality of the all taking pic > shaming online, I think it was a very good topic of discussion, especially at the moment. The problem came from the fact that no Mods/Admin were on and the thread ended with far too many trolls...

    Just to clarify, the only reason thread got so far was because there were no mods online to lock it. However, the decision not to allow discussion of this incident continue had been made much earlier on with the locking of the first thread.


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