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New car motor tax

  • 26-02-2021 12:48pm
    #1
    flyandrain
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭


    Hi All,

    Got a call from the dealer today and informed me that new car will be ready for collection on Monday, but i have not signed any papers yet.

    and i do have all details of car for motor tax purposes via phone call.

    But when i get on website, it says the motor tax is due from February as follow,

    For brand new/imported vehicles, motor tax is charged from the beginning of the month of registration or month of sale (if vehicle changes ownership before first taxing). Arrears become due from the beginning of the month after registration/month of sale.


    but i am not getting a car until 1st March. i know it does not cost much for one month road tax. but i have not got my car yet. :confused:


Comments

  • #2
    Peintre Celebre
    Registered Users Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Peintre Celebre


    Dealership has already registered vehicle for you hence it's due from February. Scam but that's how it is sadly.


  • #3
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    It's still February, your car is registered.


  • #4
    L-M
    Registered Users Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    https://www.motarviews.ie/ORD/login

    Use the above link to log in, then declare your car off the road for 3 months or whatever the minimum period is.

    Then on March first proceed to tax it and it will say “you are declaring the vehicle back on the road early and your tax will start from March 1st”

    Simples

    Edit: your log in is your new Reg number and last 6 digits of chassis


  • #5
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,103 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    The motor tax starts from the beginning of the month in which the car is registered, not when collected. You probably needed to tell the dealer in advance that if the car wasn't ready until March then not to register until March otherwise they won't give it a second thought. There is also the possibility that they just went ahead and registered it to meet their sales targets or incentives for the month.


  • #6
    Boscoirl
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    Doesnt VAT go back up on Monday? or have they extended it?

    I'd prefer to pay the €20 Motor tax than the extra ~€1000 in VAT


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  • #7
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,103 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Good point, yes they probably did the OP a favor so.


  • #8
    flyandrain
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭flyandrain


    Boscoirl wrote: »
    Doesnt VAT go back up on Monday? or have they extended it?

    I'd prefer to pay the €20 Motor tax than the extra ~€1000 in VAT

    i have not heard anything VAT yet. i have been waiting for new car for 16 weeks, 2% discount on VAT was initially agreed with dealer.

    my query is that extra month if i should pay for that extra month, which has not been used at all?


  • #9
    flyandrain
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭flyandrain


    L-M wrote: »
    https://www.motarviews.ie/ORD/login

    Use the above link to log in, then declare your car off the road for 3 months or whatever the minimum period is.

    Then on March first proceed to tax it and it will say “you are declaring the vehicle back on the road early and your tax will start from March 1st”

    Simples

    Edit: your log in is your new Reg number and last 6 digits of chassis

    it is brand new car, so can i also declare that car was on road since January 2021?


  • #10
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,103 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    flyandrain wrote: »
    i have not heard anything VAT yet. i have been waiting for new car for 16 weeks, 2% discount on VAT was initially agreed with dealer.

    my query is that extra month if i should pay for that extra month, which has not been used at all?

    That is the way motor tax works. If you register the car today then you have to pay the motor tax from the beginning of this month unless you declare the car off the road as outlined already.

    The 2% VAT discount was not from the dealer, it was the Government who reduced the VAT from 23% to 21% so the price of the car was adjusted. It reverts back to 23% on March 1st. If you wanted your car registered in March so that you only paid motor tax from March then you would have paid more for the car as the VAT would have increased to 23%.


  • #11
    L-M
    Registered Users Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    flyandrain wrote: »
    it is brand new car, so can i also declare that car was on road since January 2021?

    It’s new, presumably just registered this week. Follow my above post and you’ll be fine. It won’t ask you to declare from January because it wasn’t registered then.


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  • #12
    newmember2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭newmember2


    It doesn't matter if you declare the car off the road or not - you'll still be liable for the tax that's due for the month of February as the car was registered in February.


  • #13
    L-M
    Registered Users Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    newmember? wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if you declare the car off the road or not - you'll still be liable for the tax that's due for the month of February as the car was registered in February.

    No, you won’t. That’s the whole point of declaring it off the road.


  • #14
    newmember2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭newmember2


    L-M wrote: »
    No, you won’t. That’s the whole point of declaring it off the road.

    The point of declaring it off the road is to avoid future tax liability. If you declare it in a month while the car isn't taxed you can only declare it to affect the following months, you're still liable for the current month.


  • #15
    Cushtie
    Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    L-M wrote: »
    No, you won’t. That’s the whole point of declaring it off the road.

    It was registered to meet month end target.
    Happens all the time. Just declare it off the road for February as advised above and tax as normal in March. Newly registered vehicles can be declared off the road up to 10 days after registration. I work in the industry. We do it all the time.


  • #16
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Cushtie wrote: »
    It was registered to meet month end target.
    Happens all the time. Just declare it off the road for February as advised above and tax as normal in March. Newly registered vehicles can be declared off the road up to 10 days after registration. I work in the industry. We do it all the time.

    There's no point going through that hassle just for the sake of 20 or 30 euro


  • #17
    newmember2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Cushtie wrote: »
    It was registered to meet month end target.
    Happens all the time. Just declare it off the road for February as advised above and tax as normal in March. Newly registered vehicles can be declared off the road up to 10 days after registration. I work in the industry. We do it all the time.

    I don't think the option for February will be even available if he tries to declare it off the road - sure if that was the case we'd all be doing it coming near the end of every month.


  • #18
    Cushtie
    Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    There's no point going through that hassle just for the sake of 20 or 30 euro

    Literally takes 30 seconds on the link given above.


  • #19
    Cushtie
    Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    newmember? wrote: »
    I don't think the option for February will be even available if he tries to declare it off the road - sure if that was the case we'd all be doing it coming near the end of every month.

    It does for newly registered vehicles. We do it all the time.


  • #20
    newmember2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Cushtie wrote: »
    It does for newly registered vehicles. We do it all the time.


    Ah yeh...you'd think I'd remember seeing as I did the same before on a car I VRT'd! :eek:


  • #21
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,103 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Cushtie wrote: »
    It was registered to meet month end target.
    Happens all the time. Just declare it off the road for February as advised above and tax as normal in March. Newly registered vehicles can be declared off the road up to 10 days after registration. I work in the industry. We do it all the time.

    They also saved the OP 2% extra in VAT.


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  • #22
    Buffman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Buffman


    flyandrain wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Got a call from the dealer today and informed me that new car will be ready for collection on Monday, but i have not signed any papers yet.

    and i do have all details of car for motor tax purposes via phone call.
    .................
    but i am not getting a car until 1st March. i know it does not cost much for one month road tax. but i have not got my car yet. :confused:
    You're jumping the gun a lot here OP by trying to tax a car you don't have yet, you cannot pay for tax in advance unless you want to pay the current month also.

    The car is off the road sitting at the dealers until March, so don't tax it until March.


    As others have said, you will need to declare it off the road for Feb before taxing in March. (I'm assuming the dealer has it already registered in your name in Feb.)


    https://www.motarviews.ie/ORD/faq


    Q14. I've just bought a vehicle - how can I make a declaration that I intend to keep it off the road for a while?

    A14. If you have just bought a new vehicle or just acquired a second hand one and do not intend to use it immediately, you will have 21 days from the date of purchase (as specified in the registration document or the notification of transfer of vehicle ownership) to furnish a declaration of non-use. In that case, the declaration will commence from the first day of the month in which the sale takes place, or the first day of the month of registration in the case of new vehicles.
    Make sure you notify the seller that you are intending to declare the vehicle off the road and that you need him or her to ensure that the change of ownership is notified to the National Vehicle and Driver File as soon as possible.

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.



  • #23
    flyandrain
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭flyandrain


    L-M wrote: »
    https://www.motarviews.ie/ORD/login

    Use the above link to log in, then declare your car off the road for 3 months or whatever the minimum period is.

    Then on March first proceed to tax it and it will say “you are declaring the vehicle back on the road early and your tax will start from March 1st”

    Simples

    Edit: your log in is your new Reg number and last 6 digits of chassis
    it does not seem like working for me. got it declared last night. but it asked me pay for last month motor tax


  • #24
    flyandrain
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭flyandrain


    just quick update for my matter, i end up paying 12 month tax plus one month in arrear this morning


  • #25
    Buffman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭Buffman


    flyandrain wrote: »
    just quick update for my matter, i end up paying 12 month tax plus one month in arrear this morning


    That's strange, did the dealer register it in your name more than 21 days ago?

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.



  • #26
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 596 ✭[Deleted User]


    flyandrain wrote: »
    just quick update for my matter, i end up paying 12 month tax plus one month in arrear this morning

    You should not have had to. RF100 note 3E would have given you an exemption


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