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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,947 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    I'm not surprised since the Antis came up with this idea.


    So to counter this nonsense on our side as well..I happen to be an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church , under my real name and I will bless your firearms,thus you will gain protection from outright refusals or licensing problems and gain 10 Holy points for accuracy.

    Just call me Rev Grizzly of the Church of the Gun.:D:D

    The Sacred Fox
    by countrysquiremagazine
    BY DOMINIC WIGHTMAN

    We stumble across many weirdoes in our lives. It’s part and parcel of the interconnected environment within which we exist. In the pre-Internet era, green-inkers were relatively disempowered outliers who kept to themselves. They were Twitter-free curtain-twitchers and entirely Post-Office dependent. Nowadays all the nutters on the bus and spotty attic dwellers possess (literally) social media accounts. In 2021 ‘Care in the community’ translates as ‘on Twitter’ – lobbing insults at wicked Tories or piling on those unsuspecting, tax-paying corporations who refuse eunuchs a widdle in their ladies’ privy.

    Take the likes of this poor fellow (below) who goes around town collecting rusty old screws which he then photographs and splays across the Internet. Today he actually has followers. Back in the day he’d be shuffling around town in a pair of manky trainers avoiding pavement cracks getting about as much public attention as a cacking pigeon.

    pic.twitter.com/PEqMwUe4qC

    — Uncrossed Keys (@KUncrossed) February 20, 2021

    As Editor of this magazine I receive some very bizarre material, some of which I delete for fear of prosecution – Mabel from Church Broughton, our ‘Dog of the Week’ feature ended last year, so please refrain from sending in any more pics of your grubby puppies. Still, I have never received anything quite so peculiar as news of the latest religion that is attempting to sweep across the country - that of ‘The Sacred Fox’ (peace be upon the ginger vermin).

    What fresh nonsense is this, I hear you ask?

    A (really silly) idea conjured up by some anti-hunt extremists who are taking zealotry to a new level by asking supporters across the country to list 'The Sacred Fox' as their religion on the national census form when it arrives later this year. I kid you not:


    The new religion has a Facebook page here. And it seems the first fox disciples are busy spreading their good news and proselytising by targeting Christians:


    No news yet on plans for a Sacred Fox church or temple but devotees have circulated a symbol of worship - an eerie mash-up of the Eye of Providence, a Malaysian flag and a Tamagotchi fox – no doubt bashed up during a Microsoft Paint class for beginners while nurse popped out for a well-merited ciggie:


    The loons have even adopted an anthem (apologies in advance for linking you to this tat – yup, be forewarned, the musical equivalent of the M25):



    “Ah, but you can’t insult a religion!” so the antis will chorus. Indeed, article 144 of the Penal Code makes it an offence to insult religions at either places of religious worship or during public religious celebrations.

    In this instance, stuff that.

    Let’s face it, antis, your new religion is, err, barking. Was it not only a matter of time before your absolutism morphed into a religious form with the fox as your prophet and you as supplicants on bended knee before it? Your Satan - the Tory landowners protecting their evil chickens and brainwashed lambs? Your street stalls like Al Muhajiroun’s infamous trestle tables on Stratford High Street, promising salvation in exchange for a uniquely fringe and fanatical form of extremism.

    The thing is that your religion, antis, though warped, is unoriginal. If you’d bothered googling fox worship before taking it upon yourselves to personify God’s word then you’d have stumbled across the Fox Cult of China:

    For more than five centuries the shamanistic fox cult attracted large portions of the Chinese population and appealed to a wide range of social classes. Deemed illicit by imperial rulers and clerics and officially banned by republican and communist leaders, the fox cult managed to survive and flourish in individual homes and community shrines throughout northern China.

    You could at least have given your new religion some much needed hinterland rather than going the problematic Icke route by promoting yourselves as a novel cuckoo sect. Why didn’t you think about using Chris Packham as your John the Baptist? (Any of the Country Squires would happily have volunteered to play the part of Herod). Fox basher Jolyon Maugham could have been convinced to be your Saul and you could have spun his newfound commitment as some kind of a Damascene conversion, showing him handing in his blood-spattered baseball bat to your fox-Pope?

    But – putting aside the fact you are both deranged and demented - you might actually be onto something:

    The fox, among many other animals, was used as a symbol of premonition in ancient Chinese texts.

    After just a few seconds staring at your weird fox symbol, there was a crack of thunder and I experienced a premonition too …

    The Sacred Fox shall indeed feature on the census under religion but will only be listed by a mad and pious few. Then the peoples of the earth shall unite and all point at you who remain faithful to the Sacred Fox, exclaiming, “what a bunch of wingnuts. If they weren’t already committed, they should be taken to the asylum yonder immediately and be force-fed coloured pills until they recognise that foxes can be a ruddy menace for farmers and that humans are the highest life form on God's earth.”

    countrysquiremagazine | March 1, 2021 at 11:03 am | URL: https://wp.me/p81jMZ-a1Z

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭minktrapper


    How about "The Sacred Mink". I think I could be on to something here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    tudderone wrote: »
    It'll be the big countries like Germany, France, Poland or Italy, that have the best chance of rearing up and getting this nonsense sorted out.

    What about Belgium, Finland and Austria who are also countries with a significant sporting firearms industry. The silence is deafening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    What about Belgium, Finland and Austria who are also countries with a significant sporting firearms industry. The silence is deafening.

    The firearms industries are probably all for a lead ban. All those old guns obsolete with the stroke of a pen, and new ones having to be bought. It was shooters i was thinking of, and their orgs in countries with huge populations like France and Germany.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »

    I think John O'Sullivan, whoever he is, doesn't know what he is talking about. Centrefire semi-auto rifles aren't banned.

    And the pic. :mad:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I think John O'Sullivan, whoever he is doesn't know what he is talking about. Centrefire semi-auto rifles aren't banned.

    Screen_Shot_2019-10-09_at_10.41.04_AM.jpg

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »

    I don't agree. Yes, I'd like to see centrefire pistols back as I'd be the first in the queue but using a pic like that is stupid.

    We are arguing for them to be allowed for target shooting and the pic on the petition has a flashlight on it. At least I think it's a flash light.

    Using pics like that probably does us harm.

    Hey, that's just my personal opinion and I'm often wrong.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    BattleCorp wrote: »

    I don't agree. Yes, I'd like to see centrefire pistols back as I'd be the first in the queue but using a pic like that is stupid.

    We are arguing for them to be allowed for target shooting and the pic on the petition has a flashlight on it. At least I think it's a flash light.

    Using pics like that probably does us harm.

    Hey, that's just my personal opinion and I'm often wrong.

    The photo could be modified to be more palatable to a wider audience, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Realistically anything firearm related is only going to appeal to a narrow bunch anyway, and the more niche you get the smaller that appeal gets too.

    Personally I glaze over when I see a bolt action with a camo job, or more traditional hunting rifles. ;)

    I don't see anything wrong with sticking a flashlight(and yup that is what it is) on whatever you have, or a grip, laser, optic, etc, but I get the palatibility side of things.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    The photo could be modified to be more palatable to a wider audience, but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Realistically anything firearm related is only going to appeal to a narrow bunch anyway, and the more niche you get the smaller that appeal gets too.

    Personally I glaze over when I see a bolt action with a camo job, or more traditional hunting rifles. ;)

    I don't see anything wrong with sticking a flashlight(and yup that is what it is) on whatever you have, or a grip, laser, optic, etc, but I get the palatibility side of things.

    No shooter I know of would have a problem with that pic in itself. The problem though is that we need to appeal to non-shooters to change the legislation. And those kinds of pics don't appeal to the wider audience.

    I've no problem sticking a flashlight etc. on firearms, absolutely nothing wrong with that, but when you are asking for these guns to be allowed back for target shooting, you should put up pics of the most harmless looking yoke you can find.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    you should put up pics of the most harmless looking yoke you can find.

    Least offensive CF pistol I can imagine :rolleyes:

    Walther-GSP-Expert-32SW_01.png

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    Least offensive CF pistol I can imagine :rolleyes:

    Walther-GSP-Expert-32SW_01.png

    Weird. I can't see the pic on my laptop but I can on my phone.

    But yes, a pic like that doesn't have Joe Public or the PTB as nervous as something tactical looking with bells and whistles hanging out of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,947 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Weird. I can't see the pic on my laptop but I can on my phone.

    But yes, a pic like that doesn't have Joe Public or the PTB as nervous as something tactical looking with bells and whistles hanging out of it.

    OMG A rapid-fire 2000 rounds a SECOND 3D printed GHOST ASSAULT PISTOL with a lethal SILENCER made by the company that supplied James Bond with assassination tools, painted in BLUE to make it less dangerous and MORE appealing to CHILDREN...BAN IT IMMEDIATELY!!!

    Fixed it there for you!:D Sorry it doesn't matter WHAT you post up in pics. You will get the hoplophobes getting an attack of the vapours and histrionics over anything remotely gun-shaped these days.So a pic of a black gun with a flashlight will make zero difference to those ones prone to attacks of the vapours.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    OMG A rapid-fire 2000 rounds a SECOND 3D printed GHOST ASSAULT PISTOL with a lethal SILENCER made by the company that supplied James Bond with assassination tools, painted in BLUE to make it less dangerous and MORE appealing to CHILDREN...BAN IT IMMEDIATELY!!!

    Fixed it there for you!:D Sorry it doesn't matter WHAT you post up in pics. You will get the hoplophobes getting an attack of the vapours and histrionics over anything remotely gun-shaped these days.So a pic of a black gun with a flashlight will make zero difference to those ones prone to attacks of the vapours.

    Fully semi automatic, bullet button, mass casualty, assault short barreled rifled pistol :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    OMG A rapid-fire 2000 rounds a SECOND 3D printed GHOST ASSAULT PISTOL with a lethal SILENCER made by the company that supplied James Bond with assassination tools, painted in BLUE to make it less dangerous and MORE appealing to CHILDREN...BAN IT IMMEDIATELY!!!

    Fixed it there for you!:D Sorry it doesn't matter WHAT you post up in pics. You will get the hoplophobes getting an attack of the vapours and histrionics over anything remotely gun-shaped these days.So a pic of a black gun with a flashlight will make zero difference to those ones prone to attacks of the vapours.

    My niece went to college, was reading the Guardian along with the Irish papers, started using funny language that was meant not to offend anyone, telling everyone about Thunberg, AOC and that beardy twit Corbyn and yes she became anti-gun. She decided to have a go off me for owning firearms, and when i asked her what the problem was, she had no real answer. Being anti-gun is part of the Woke, right-on package.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    You could sex it up a bit ;)


    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVcFQvsYxT64VfCqzhUxAtp7xjqWnrgG4sbw&usqp=CAU


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,947 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »

    You'd accused of trying to indoctrinate children :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,596 ✭✭✭Feisar


    tudderone wrote: »
    You'd accused of trying to indoctrinate children :(

    I've the young lad fully brought over to the dark side. Twenty months and he's shooting people with a NERF gun.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Feisar wrote: »
    I've the young lad fully brought over to the dark side. Twenty months and he's shooting people with a NERF gun.

    Child abuse. I'm reporting you. And did you just assume his/her/their gender? :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :D:D:D:D:D:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,947 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    tudderone wrote: »
    My niece went to college, was reading the Guardian along with the Irish papers, started using funny language that was meant not to offend anyone, telling everyone about Thunberg, AOC and that beardy twit Corbyn and yes she became anti-gun. She decided to have a go off me for owning firearms, and when i asked her what the problem was, she had no real answer. Being anti-gun is part of the Woke, right-on package.

    Identity Socialism at its finest.:rolleyes:

    https://www.prageru.com/video/what-is-identity-socialism/

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    https://www.change.org/p/guns-allow-licensing-of-restricted-centerfire-caliber-pistols-in-the-republic-of-ireland

    Seems chappie with the petition was informed about CF SA rifles and the petition and photo has been revised.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,400 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Complete waste of time. Reads like a child wrote it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭jb88


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    https://www.change.org/p/guns-allow-licensing-of-restricted-centerfire-caliber-pistols-in-the-republic-of-ireland

    Seems chappie with the petition was informed about CF SA rifles and the petition and photo has been revised.

    Quelle Suprise, took 2 days and a lad with a tiny bit of knowledge to tell him.
    Oh that generation are destined for stardom.


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭jb88


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    I'm not surprised since the Antis came up with this idea.


    So to counter this nonsense on our side as well..I happen to be an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church , under my real name and I will bless your firearms,thus you will gain protection from outright refusals or licensing problems and gain 10 Holy points for accuracy.

    Just call me Rev Grizzly of the Church of the Gun.:D:D

    The Sacred Fox
    by countrysquiremagazine
    BY DOMINIC WIGHTMAN

    We stumble across many weirdoes in our lives. It’s part and parcel of the interconnected environment within which we exist. In the pre-Internet era, green-inkers were relatively disempowered outliers who kept to themselves. They were Twitter-free curtain-twitchers and entirely Post-Office dependent. Nowadays all the nutters on the bus and spotty attic dwellers possess (literally) social media accounts. In 2021 ‘Care in the community’ translates as ‘on Twitter’ – lobbing insults at wicked Tories or piling on those unsuspecting, tax-paying corporations who refuse eunuchs a widdle in their ladies’ privy.

    Take the likes of this poor fellow (below) who goes around town collecting rusty old screws which he then photographs and splays across the Internet. Today he actually has followers. Back in the day he’d be shuffling around town in a pair of manky trainers avoiding pavement cracks getting about as much public attention as a cacking pigeon.

    pic.twitter.com/PEqMwUe4qC

    — Uncrossed Keys (@KUncrossed) February 20, 2021

    As Editor of this magazine I receive some very bizarre material, some of which I delete for fear of prosecution – Mabel from Church Broughton, our ‘Dog of the Week’ feature ended last year, so please refrain from sending in any more pics of your grubby puppies. Still, I have never received anything quite so peculiar as news of the latest religion that is attempting to sweep across the country - that of ‘The Sacred Fox’ (peace be upon the ginger vermin).

    What fresh nonsense is this, I hear you ask?

    A (really silly) idea conjured up by some anti-hunt extremists who are taking zealotry to a new level by asking supporters across the country to list 'The Sacred Fox' as their religion on the national census form when it arrives later this year. I kid you not:


    The new religion has a Facebook page here. And it seems the first fox disciples are busy spreading their good news and proselytising by targeting Christians:


    No news yet on plans for a Sacred Fox church or temple but devotees have circulated a symbol of worship - an eerie mash-up of the Eye of Providence, a Malaysian flag and a Tamagotchi fox – no doubt bashed up during a Microsoft Paint class for beginners while nurse popped out for a well-merited ciggie:


    The loons have even adopted an anthem (apologies in advance for linking you to this tat – yup, be forewarned, the musical equivalent of the M25):



    “Ah, but you can’t insult a religion!” so the antis will chorus. Indeed, article 144 of the Penal Code makes it an offence to insult religions at either places of religious worship or during public religious celebrations.

    In this instance, stuff that.

    Let’s face it, antis, your new religion is, err, barking. Was it not only a matter of time before your absolutism morphed into a religious form with the fox as your prophet and you as supplicants on bended knee before it? Your Satan - the Tory landowners protecting their evil chickens and brainwashed lambs? Your street stalls like Al Muhajiroun’s infamous trestle tables on Stratford High Street, promising salvation in exchange for a uniquely fringe and fanatical form of extremism.

    The thing is that your religion, antis, though warped, is unoriginal. If you’d bothered googling fox worship before taking it upon yourselves to personify God’s word then you’d have stumbled across the Fox Cult of China:

    For more than five centuries the shamanistic fox cult attracted large portions of the Chinese population and appealed to a wide range of social classes. Deemed illicit by imperial rulers and clerics and officially banned by republican and communist leaders, the fox cult managed to survive and flourish in individual homes and community shrines throughout northern China.

    You could at least have given your new religion some much needed hinterland rather than going the problematic Icke route by promoting yourselves as a novel cuckoo sect. Why didn’t you think about using Chris Packham as your John the Baptist? (Any of the Country Squires would happily have volunteered to play the part of Herod). Fox basher Jolyon Maugham could have been convinced to be your Saul and you could have spun his newfound commitment as some kind of a Damascene conversion, showing him handing in his blood-spattered baseball bat to your fox-Pope?

    But – putting aside the fact you are both deranged and demented - you might actually be onto something:

    The fox, among many other animals, was used as a symbol of premonition in ancient Chinese texts.

    After just a few seconds staring at your weird fox symbol, there was a crack of thunder and I experienced a premonition too …

    The Sacred Fox shall indeed feature on the census under religion but will only be listed by a mad and pious few. Then the peoples of the earth shall unite and all point at you who remain faithful to the Sacred Fox, exclaiming, “what a bunch of wingnuts. If they weren’t already committed, they should be taken to the asylum yonder immediately and be force-fed coloured pills until they recognise that foxes can be a ruddy menace for farmers and that humans are the highest life form on God's earth.”

    countrysquiremagazine | March 1, 2021 at 11:03 am | URL: https://wp.me/p81jMZ-a1Z

    Spotted a lad out with a seriously high grade video camera filming his dog relieving itself against a telephone post last week. That lad really is taking the piss.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Witcher wrote: »
    Complete waste of time. Reads like a child wrote it.

    Indeed, the wording could be significantly better.
    jb88 wrote: »
    Quelle Suprise, took 2 days and a lad with a tiny bit of knowledge to tell him.

    Yeah, I doubt it'll get far.
    Still interesting to see mind you.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,947 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    At least someone's trying to do something.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭JP22


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    At least someone's trying to do something.

    While in general I agree with your views Grizzly, a petition of any sort never mind one of this magnitude and significance needs to be done with a very high degree of professionalism.

    Such a petition would need detailed input from various professionals with hands on experience and no doubt someone with a legal mind vis-vie firearms legislation in Ireland and knowledge of shooting sports history and the various court cases and their results.

    To succeed, any such petition would need some form of backing from Local/National Politicians plus possible Olympic and other involved organizations.

    For such a small country we have far too many small organizations all fighting for their own corner, all fighting for what little funding is available, end of day no one organization is large enough or has enough clout to have the laws changed.

    Just my tuppence worth.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,947 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Lead the change JP.We are all 100% right behind ya!:):D
    Because as you know yourself, getting 25% of what you are saying there is a lifetimes work in the Irish shooting community.

    Apathy, indifference,Fuddism, Me feinism, glacial reaction times by our established organisations concerned with this and the attitude of "keep quiet and maybe they will go away and leave us alone,and kill off anyone speaking out" will ensure what you are looking for there will not happen.

    While misinformed and amateurish, it's worth more than 100 theorists on the interweb discussing fine campaigns planned down to the last detail, that won't survive Murphys 5th law of combat[and debate].

    And the proof is here that it is doing something. We are talking about it on Irelands only[?] largest firearms board . Which is something I guess.
    Although looking at the FB profile of the original petitioner,I reckon it's a spoofer with a fake profile. Very new and about 5 posts.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭JP22


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Lead the change JP.We are all 100% right behind ya!:):D

    Old military saying, never volunteer for anything.:D:D

    Anyhow, I'm far too old and grumpy to lead the charge anymore.


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