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The One that Got Away

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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    tudderone wrote: »
    I read they use .22 semi-autos with moderators on them. No fuss, no noise, anyone that says its not enough must be crazy. Half a dozen hollow point .22's in the back of the swede and you are toast.

    I think that was their intelligence agency rather than special forces. Take somebody out in a hotel room without waking the room next door. The Berlin aftermath etc.
    The CIA were the same. Had a spec made integral silenced pistol for the job.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Mellor wrote: »
    I think that was their intelligence agency rather than special forces. Take somebody out in a hotel room without waking the room next door. The Berlin aftermath etc.
    The CIA were the same. Had a spec made integral silenced pistol for the job.

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHGrKOr737Kl6NF8k0ErqUlA3GJW2CWy3pxw&usqp=CAU

    Yes you are correct, the intelligence rather than the special forces. They like silenced .22's................and Irish passports :D.

    I know the Americans during ww2 used silenced Hi-standard .22 pistols too.




  • Registered Users Posts: 39,020 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Yeah that's the one. Was developed based on CIA requirements for a clandestine pistol. OR to be exact, the OSS as the CIA was then known.
    In an effort to gain approval from the highest seat of power – the President – “Wild Bill” Donovan arranged for a demonstration of the [HDM Pistol] in front of FDR. Donovan strolled into the Oval Office while FDR was busy working with his secretary, placed a sand trap on the floor, and fired ten rounds as fast as he could. He then walked over to FDR, handed him the pistol, and explained what he had just done while the President was otherwise occupied.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Mellor wrote: »
    Yeah that's the one. Was developed based on CIA requirements for a clandestine pistol. OR to be exact, the OSS as the CIA was then known.

    Same with Delisle and his silenced carbine, different world to now, if anyone did anything like that there would be a poo-storm.

    "In early 1943, he informed Sir Malcolm Campbell, head of the secretive Combined Operations, of his invention, and Campbell suggested an interesting way to demonstrate it – in the open with unsuspecting people around.

    From the roof of a building overlooking the River Thames in London, De Lisle fired several shots into the water as people strode by on sidewalks. Campbell watched with interest to see if anyone heard the shots. None did. The weapon found a buyer right then. First, though, there needed to be improvements".


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone




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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Used also by SF...Probably more so than the big Intell agencies... It was considered very bad sport and still is to be knocking off each other's assets by "termination with extreme prejudice" in the cold war as it left you open to having one of your assets removed in the same manner in the great spy game.;)

    However mouthy dissidents are more likely to be done in with interesting poisons delivered by some real interesting and innovative gadgets.:eek:
    https://smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1873

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    50 AE desert Eagle..

    Here's my story about my first time firing a pistol.

    I was in the States many years ago. A work colleague brought me to a shooting range where I rented a .22lr pistol. I'd never even seen a pistol in real life until then. I got the.22lr because I was used to shooting a .22lr rifle so I thought I'd be ok with that. The pistol was great craic but I got envious when when I saw others shooting bigger, cooler looking guns.

    Went back up to the counter and changed it for a 9mm pistol. Went back down and fired away and thought I was the biz. Fcukin Rambo I was. :) When I ran out of ammo I decided to see if they had an even bigger pistol so I went up and got a Desert Eagle .50. The guy behind the counter asked me if I'd fired one of them before so I did what any young Irish lad would do, I lied. Told him I'd fired it on a few occasions so he gave it to me and off I went down the range.

    So, this fcukin yoke was huge. And weighed a tonne. I loaded up and did my best to hold it out straight with one hand but I was wobbling all over the place. Easy to see I hadn't a clue what I was doing. Luckily for me, as I was pointing it towards the target another guy came over to me and he was like "woah bro, you need your two hands on that". Just as well he said it to me before I took a shot because it would have broken my wrist or hit me in the face (or both).

    I grabbed it tightly (maybe not tightly enough) with two hands and fired. It rattled every tooth in my head and near sprained my wrists and nearly hit me in the face. I know that makes me sound soft but it was like a cannon going off in my hand. Once I got over the shock, I fired 4 more shots and then handed it back with the rest of the unused ammo to the guy on the counter. I'd had enough.

    Great to do it once but I have no hankering to do it ever again. :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭Scalachi


    I had a similar experience firing a .50 at an indoor range in Germany a few years ago.

    I only fired one shot, and it was plenty! big, heavy, awkward, too much recoil etc etc, one round was great, delighted to have fired it and still have the shiny nickel case :) but would not be running to fire one again !


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Not a big revolver fan, but I would go one of these alright.
    Colt Python Hunter model in 357,

    680608_01_colt_python_hunter_set_640.jpg

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭Richard308


    Trust the Israelis to use .22s as less than lethal. That really doesn’t help their reputation.

    Plus the fact .22 cal is according to fbi responsible for more gun deaths than any other calibre.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Plus the fact .22 cal is according to fbi responsible for more gun deaths than any other calibre.

    Really? I didn't know that, I would have guessed 9mm but it does make sense, 22lr is the most popular calibre. You'd also have a wide range of firearms chambered in it, so it's just logical that more accidents occur with 22lr then.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    And that also how the Luftwaffe ended up with fine Sauer Drillings as survival guns for awhile in WW2. Goering's cronyism with Sauer and just about every arms company was well known. You get a contract off him. Give him some really fancy firearm as thanks, or as bait for a step up.:p

    Seems to be a thing with German gun companies. The Shah of Iran ended up with this HK MP5,along with a HK VP0Z that got similar treatment,as he was a big fan of all things German military equipment,and whose remnants can still be seen in the Iranian army today.Both guns disappered in the oveerthrow of the Shah monarchy.
    ?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffc08.deviantart.net%2Ffs6%2Fi%2F2005%2F064%2Fb%2F5%2FHK_MP5_Submachinegun_by_AbbyNormL.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Well i know Goering was basically hunting non-stop in Germany and anywhere else he could during the war, while the Luftwaffe, which he was in control of, was having the poop knocked out of it by the RAF and the USAF. You could make a case that Germany lost the war because of Goerings passtimes. After all whoever controls the skys is the victor.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    And that also how the Luftwaffe ended up with fine Sauer Drillings as survival guns for awhile in WW2. Goering's cronyism with Sauer and just about every arms company was well known. You get a contract off him. Give him some really fancy firearm as thanks, or as bait for a step up.:p

    Seems to be a thing with German gun companies. The Shah of Iran ended up with this HK MP5,along with a HK VP0Z that got similar treatment,as he was a big fan of all things German military equipment,and whose remnants can still be seen in the Iranian army today.Both guns disappered in the oveerthrow of the Shah monarchy.
    ?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffc08.deviantart.net%2Ffs6%2Fi%2F2005%2F064%2Fb%2F5%2FHK_MP5_Submachinegun_by_AbbyNormL.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

    That MP5 looks like the bling fairy vomited and defecated on it. I’ll take one in black and gray any day over that hideous thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    That MP5 looks like the bling fairy vomited and defecated on it. I’ll take one in black and gray any day over that hideous thing.

    Yea the gold AK in Lord of War looks understated by comparison.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Apprently in both guns they had;
    2kgs of ivory in the buttstock,grip and fore-end on the MP5
    0ver 200 diamonds and rubies in the engravings
    1kilo of 24-carat gold between the pair of them.
    Guess some lucky Iranian in the looting of the palace did a midnite flit with his family and those two guns...Who wouldn't??

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Feisar wrote: »
    Yea the gold AK in Lord of War looks understated by comparison.

    Found in any self-respecting Mexican Narco gang bosses personal collection these days. You want bling guns,go to Mexico...

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Found in any self-respecting Mexican Narco gang bosses personal collection these days. You want bling guns,go to Mexico...

    I don't even like fancy walnut!

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭tudderone


    Feisar wrote: »
    I don't even like fancy walnut!

    YOU MONSTER !


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    tudderone wrote: »
    YOU MONSTER !

    :o I know.

    First they came for the socialists...



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