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  • 10-04-2021 10:47am
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    selfbuildache
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭


    Hi all, I'm just finishing up an intro weight training/nutrition month and have got the bug for weight training again. I've been running for years but would like to zone in on strength training.
    I've been trawling here and online for a few weeks, picking up as much info as I can. But I feel I need a professional to set me up with a weight training & nutrition plan, if I'm going to do this right. (I know what I want but want professional advice as to how to get it.)

    The internet is a minefield as I can't sort out qualified from 'influencer'. Is there a regulatory body with a list? The last month was a good general intro but I don't feel they can cater to specifics (Strength/tone & macronutrient advice (I come from the calorie-rules-all era or just carb-protein loading for runs .)) I'm not trying to be lazy here looking for info but if you could head me in the right direction, for qualified advice, as to where I can look, I'd be grateful.
    (I'm in the west/Galway but I guess that doesn't matter so much online.)
    Thanks as always.


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    JohnMcm1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 79 ✭✭JohnMcm1


    selfbuildache wrote: »
    Hi all, I'm just finishing up an intro weight training/nutrition month and have got the bug for weight training again. I've been running for years but would like to zone in on strength training.
    I've been trawling here and online for a few weeks, picking up as much info as I can. But I feel I need a professional to set me up with a weight training & nutrition plan, if I'm going to do this right. (I know what I want but want professional advice as to how to get it.)

    The internet is a minefield as I can't sort out qualified from 'influencer'. Is there a regulatory body with a list? The last month was a good general intro but I don't feel they can cater to specifics (Strength/tone & macronutrient advice (I come from the calorie-rules-all era or just carb-protein loading for runs .)) I'm not trying to be lazy here looking for info but if you could head me in the right direction, for qualified advice, as to where I can look, I'd be grateful.
    (I'm in the west/Galway but I guess that doesn't matter so much online.)
    Thanks as always.

    Triage method. The lads are excellent.


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    Black Sheep
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    If you want to try online coaching then you can go international, literally any company you like. Group coaching, or 1 to 1 personal training.

    In Ireland I always recommend The Edge, worth contacting, I've known them for years and you won't find many more experienced coaches, with an experience of dealing with a wide variety of clients, including triathletes and runners. They're very into upskilling their knowledge of fuel / diet, they do a lot of in-house training for their staff, I think it sounds like it could be a decent fit.

    If you're looking further afield, a lot of the international online people have specific niches.

    What are your goals, do you want to focus on hypertrophy and physique, or do you want to focus on strength, or a combination of the two?

    Do you want to predominantly do barbell based training? What equipment do you have access to? Do you intend to keep running, are you looking to incorporate a lot of running and conditioning alongside your lifting?

    I always point people towards Hybrid Performance and Hybrid Nutrition for widely varied group coaching towards a variety of goals. The Hybrid Nutrition is 1 to 1.

    I've previously used Juggernaut Training Systems online group coaching and they're also fine although it's very much group coaching.

    Barbell Medicine is meant to be good.

    Dorian Yates is doing surprisingly affordable rates for online coaching.

    The world's your oyster really.


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    selfbuildache
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭selfbuildache


    Black Sheep wrote: »
    In Ireland I always recommend The Edge, worth contacting, I've known them for years and you won't find many more experienced coaches, with an experience of dealing with a wide variety of clients, including triathletes and runners. They're very into upskilling their knowledge of fuel / diet, they do a lot of in-house training for their staff, I think it sounds like it could be a decent fit.
    Will definitely look them up.
    What are your goals, do you want to focus on hypertrophy and physique, or do you want to focus on strength, or a combination of the two?
    Combination.
    Do you want to predominantly do barbell based training? What equipment do you have access to? Do you intend to keep running, are you looking to incorporate a lot of running and conditioning alongside your lifting?
    Have access to barbell so would love to start there. I'd like to keep up the running but will reduce time/mileage and just use it for cardio. Don't have the time for both for now anyway!
    I always point people towards Hybrid Performance and Hybrid Nutrition for widely varied group coaching towards a variety of goals. The Hybrid Nutrition is 1 to 1.
    I've previously used Juggernaut Training Systems online group coaching and they're also fine although it's very much group coaching.
    Dorian Yates is doing surprisingly affordable rates for online coaching.
    I'll definitely look all these up . Especially interested in the 1:1. I've a lot of prior history/experience/training so I really just need to be set on the right road. So I feel a 1:1 is worth investing in.
    I should probably mention I'm female as this might have a bearing on advice.
    The world's your oyster really.
    The oyster got huge though. Was very difficult to sort through it all. I got stung a bit last month with where I went. Was good to give me the kick in the ars* I needed but I know what I want now and it's a bit more specific.

    Much thanks for all this advice - is exactly what I needed so I can at least know I'm looking at recommended/accredited places.


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    Black Sheep
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    The Edge has a few high performing female clients so that could work.

    I think you're right to look for people who understand that the programming / approach might be slightly different.

    I have no personal experience with them, but if you were interested in Olympic weightlifting, as distinct from general barbell training, I know Bohemian Barbell coaches a number of female lifters remotely and have a good reputation, another one to look at.

    https://bohemianweightlifting.com/about-us/


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    new2tri19
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭new2tri19


    Well i'm 40 and from running background and new to lifting i'll tell you what i did but it may not be relevant to you. The internet is a minefield but from what i read you get the majority of the benefits from compound movements which are Squat / Bench press / Overhead press and Deadlift. I bought a barbell and weights and looked up youtube how to do them lifts. I found a guy called Alan Thrall really good at explaining. I also got tons of help here asking some questions in the threads.

    When i got a hang of them lifts i wanted to follow a program and found GZCLP http://swoleateveryheight.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-gzcl-method-simplified_13.html there is a spreadsheet and stuff its all free but it helped me get started .

    For diet and stuff i used myfitness pal to make sure i am getting enough protein 1g per lb of bodyweight and used a calculator to estimate calories i need , i just adjust this number depending on if im losing or gaining more weight than i want to.

    I still run and bike alongside lifting i started at 3 hours a week lifting and had some fatigue about a year later i do 4 days a week around about 5-6 hours and fatigue is a lot less body adapts quickly starting to run and bike alot more just have to watch hard run and bike days around leg day training.

    But yeah basically im just saying you can probably do it yourself .


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    selfbuildache
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭selfbuildache


    Black Sheep wrote: »
    The Edge has a few high performing female clients so that could work.

    I think you're right to look for people who understand that the programming / approach might be slightly different.

    I have no personal experience with them, but if you were interested in Olympic weightlifting, as distinct from general barbell training, I know Bohemian Barbell coaches a number of female lifters remotely and have a good reputation, another one to look at.

    https://bohemianweightlifting.com/about-us/

    Thanks. Is this https://www.theedgeclontarf.com/ the crowd you're talking about?

    Think I'd be into general barbell training until I get a feel for it again but I will look up the site you suggested. Many thanks again.


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    selfbuildache
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭selfbuildache


    new2tri19:
    Cheers for the reply - my younger self would definitely have gone for your method. I'm just not sure I have the time to do any more trawling - it just keeps getting bigger! But I'll look up your suggestions.
    but from what i read you get the majority of the benefits from compound movements which are Squat / Bench press / Overhead press and Deadlift. I found a guy called Alan Thrall really good at explaining.
    LOL! Yes, I'm the same as you - compound seems to be the way to go. I guess I wanted certainty. I'll look up this guy you suggested.
    When i got a hang of them lifts i wanted to follow a program and found GZCLP http://swoleateveryheight.blogspot.c...lified_13.html there is a spreadsheet and stuff its all free but it helped me get started .
    Brilliant. I'll look it up.
    i used myfitness pal to make sure i am getting enough protein 1g per lb of bodyweight
    I'm a myfitnesspal addict. I understand (now) the protein/bodyweight relation. Am finding it really hard (am vegetarian) to get my protein up. Have started supplements but that's where I thought a trainer/nutritionist could help. I'm actually not eating enough calories as I can't figure out how to get my carbs or protein up any more, without putting fat well overboard....(again, hopes for guidance.!)
    I still run and bike alongside lifting i started at 3 hours a week lifting and had some fatigue about a year later i do 4 days a week around about 5-6 hours and fatigue is a lot less body adapts quickly starting to run and bike alot more just have to watch hard run and bike days around leg day training.
    That's great to hear. The last month, I was finding my runs harder but I think it was a calorie/nutrient deficit more than anything. I did a carb load before a long run one day and had a GREAT run - definitely felt the benefit of the weight training.
    Cheers for all that info. Good to hear it can be done independently.


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    Black Sheep
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    selfbuildache wrote: »
    Thanks. Is this https://www.theedgeclontarf.com/ the crowd you're talking about?

    Think I'd be into general barbell training until I get a feel for it again but I will look up the site you suggested. Many thanks again.

    That’s them, yep.


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    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Kev McCarthy - Think Fit PT is good. He does face to face (in normal time), as well as online and a lot of free workouts content etc. online on insta so you can try out his style for free and see if it's what you'e looking for.

    Not necessarily the best bet for a specialised approach like powerlifting or whatever, but knows general training very well imo if you are looking for a good pathway for a beginner.

    https://www.instagram.com/thinkfit_pt/


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    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,727 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    Well i'm 40 and from running background and new to lifting i'll tell you what i did but it may not be relevant to you. The internet is a minefield but from what i read you get the majority of the benefits from compound movements which are Squat / Bench press / Overhead press and Deadlift. I bought a barbell and weights and looked up youtube how to do them lifts. I found a guy called Alan Thrall really good at explaining. I also got tons of help here asking some questions in the threads.

    .

    I could have wrote this exact paragraph 4 years ago. I still watch Alan Thralls videos although lately he’s switched to more Olympic lifting and strongman training.
    I started off with Hanleys ‘want a simple program to get stronger’ which can be found on boards somewhere.


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    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,552 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    I started off with Hanleys ‘want a simple program to get stronger’ which can be found on boards somewhere.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=92687179


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    selfbuildache
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭selfbuildache


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    I could have wrote this exact paragraph 4 years ago. I still watch Alan Thralls videos although lately he’s switched to more Olympic lifting and strongman training.
    I started off with Hanleys ‘want a simple program to get stronger’ which can be found on boards somewhere.

    Ok, I'll look the videos up tonight and Hanley's. For now, just a basic upper/lower plan would do me until I get a chance to look all these up. I'm not even sure where to start with weights and reps as the last month was low weights and high - ish reps, which I want to flip of course. This is where I thought a professional would be best to get me on track properly, rather than me spending months lifting weights and not getting the results I want. Plus at this stage I'm getting confused between compounds/supersets and isolating....as I said, minefield for newbies.:eek:


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    johnnyskeleton
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    Who did you do the intro with? Could you ask them to keep up training?

    Also, part of training is that they show you what to do and you should practise by yourself in between sessions. Could you try repeating what you did with the trainer last month, only without the trainer?


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    Black Sheep
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    selfbuildache wrote: »
    Ok, I'll look the videos up tonight and Hanley's. For now, just a basic upper/lower plan would do me until I get a chance to look all these up. I'm not even sure where to start with weights and reps as the last month was low weights and high - ish reps, which I want to flip of course. This is where I thought a professional would be best to get me on track properly, rather than me spending months lifting weights and not getting the results I want. Plus at this stage I'm getting confused between compounds/supersets and isolating....as I said, minefield for newbies.:eek:


    You mentioned you have a fair bit of experience so I took it you were not a novice lifter. However, if you just need something clear to do, a plan to stick to while you decide on your 1-1, you might as well do something productive.

    If you’re a novice or coming back to lifting I would always say to someone to run a linear progression program first, to get as strong as you can in the shortest period. Dumbing it down, but on an LP you take advantage of being able to add weight to your compound lifts every workout (goes on for several months usually). A more advanced trainee can’t do that. The advantage of an LP is that you get to the level of strength you are capable of getting too fairly handy. Some people run programs designed for intermediates that are far too conservative in the progression for them, they were designed for a stronger trainee who can’t make regular jumps anymore.

    Anyway, useful thread here -https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058104438/1/#post114304405

    Personal bias is towards Greyskull LP.

    If you ran an LP your numbers would then be good enough if you decided to do higher rep work for hypertrophy/ physique you’d be in a far better place to reap results.


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    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,727 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    selfbuildache wrote: »
    Ok, I'll look the videos up tonight and Hanley's. For now, just a basic upper/lower plan would do me until I get a chance to look all these up. I'm not even sure where to start with weights and reps as the last month was low weights and high - ish reps, which I want to flip of course. This is where I thought a professional would be best to get me on track properly, rather than me spending months lifting weights and not getting the results I want. Plus at this stage I'm getting confused between compounds/supersets and isolating....as I said, minefield for newbies.:eek:

    Hanley is a professional.

    The program is very basic snd I loved it. I’ll probably run it again one day to mix things up


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    selfbuildache
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭selfbuildache


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    Who did you do the intro with? Could you ask them to keep up training?

    Also, part of training is that they show you what to do and you should practise by yourself in between sessions. Could you try repeating what you did with the trainer last month, only without the trainer?

    They were atrociously expensive for very general workouts that did the job for the month but I'm loathe to pay again for what may be general again when I'm now looking for a specific programme.

    Yes, I know enough to keep me ticking over until I decide what I'm going to do in terms getting a programme and nutrition advice.


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    selfbuildache
    Registered Users Posts: 245 ✭✭selfbuildache


    Black Sheep wrote: »
    You mentioned you have a fair bit of experience so I took it you were not a novice lifter. However, if you just need something clear to do, a plan to stick to while you decide on your 1-1, you might as well do something productive.

    If you’re a novice or coming back to lifting I would always say to someone to run a linear progression program first, to get as strong as you can in the shortest period. Dumbing it down, but on an LP you take advantage of being able to add weight to your compound lifts every workout (goes on for several months usually). A more advanced trainee can’t do that. The advantage of an LP is that you get to the level of strength you are capable of getting too fairly handy. Some people run programs designed for intermediates that are far too conservative in the progression for them, they were designed for a stronger trainee who can’t make regular jumps anymore.

    Anyway, useful thread here -https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058104438/1/#post114304405

    Personal bias is towards Greyskull LP.

    If you ran an LP your numbers would then be good enough if you decided to do higher rep work for hypertrophy/ physique you’d be in a far better place to reap results.

    That's great advice.
    In terms of your other comments and from reading up, I guess I'm a 'coming back' weight trainer - from over 20 years ago, where it was used to support my sport more than training by itself. Looking back I think we were doing compound lifting and some isolation work but I would never have had any vocabulary on it! I've dipped in and out over the years, usually in group classes,- as far as I can tell my form is good enough to go it alone until the world opens up again.

    But yes, a LP sounds like what I want. I will definitely look up Greyskull LP and that thread. Many thanks.


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