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How long before Irish reunification? (Part 2) Threadbans in OP

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  • #182
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Short term memory loss?

    It was you who brought it up again in post #175 :D


  • #183
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Not sure how to link, but it's only eight posts previous ....

    Let's move on.


  • #184
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Not sure how to link, but it's only ten posts previous ....

    Let's move on.

    In future just click on the wee #175 in the top right corner and then post that link.

    Or press reply on that post and copy the whole of that text into the reply. It's just courtesy.

    I went back on full site.

    ---

    I highlighted how everyone is an Irish citizen. You then went down a road about Arlene Foster.

    That was the frippery.


  • #185
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    In future just click on the wee #175 in the top right corner and then post that link.

    Or press reply on that post and copy the whole of that text into the reply. It's just courtesy.

    I went back on full site.

    I highlighted how everyone is an Irish citizen. You then went down a road about Arlene Foster.

    That was the frippery.

    Oh for goodness sake, would you forever just get over it (and get on with it) and stop your frippery.

    Let's move on ...


  • #186
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Oh for goodness sake, would you forever just get over it (and get on with it) and stop your frippery.

    Let's move on ...

    You get awful testy when you can't engage in your airy fairy nonsense and are challenged.

    It's a very thin facade.


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  • #187
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Do you blame me?

    I posted this, thinking it was very tame and thoughtful, and now you keep posting crap about frippery, of course I'm getting fed up.
    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    What will change after Covid has gone?
    Nothing & everything.

    What will change after Brexit kicks in?
    Nothing, & everything.

    Nothing will change in a "united" Ireland?
    Nothing, & everything.

    If a UI ever happens, GB will carry-on as before but without haemorraging money on an annual basis for the upkeep of Northern Ireland (happy days for GB Treasury), with more money in the pot for all GB citizens on the island of Great Britain.
    NI citizens however would now of course be Irish citizens, and would be funded by Dublin & Brussels. Same money, different supplier!

    Island of Ireland IRISH, island of Britain BRITISH.

    Simples ;)


  • #188
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Do you blame me?

    I posted this, thinking it was very tame and thoughtful, and now you keep posting crap about frippery, of course I'm getting fed up.

    You never explained what you meant by 'funded'. They won't be funded, they'll be working for the good of the whole country like everyone else. Their own country that they are invested in and have a say in, just like everyone else. Unless of course FF and FG take the hump again and refuse to deal with the DUP or the UUp.


  • #189
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You never explained what you meant by 'funded'. They won't be funded, they'll be working for the good of the whole country like everyone else. Their own country that they are invested in and have a say in, just like everyone else. Unless of course FF and FG take the hump again and refuse to deal with the DUP or the UUp.

    He mentioned "Funded = Barnett Formula".

    But again, who cares. Handing money over to England to then have them decide what you deserve is insane.


  • #190
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Do you blame me?

    I posted this, thinking it was very tame and thoughtful, and now you keep posting crap about frippery, of course I'm getting fed up.

    You asked a question that was answered. You asked purposely in what I thought to be an obtuse way to get a response.

    You're not an idiot. I hate when people play dumb in threads like this when they can easily engage better.


  • #191
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,045 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    What did you suggest then? Did you leave yourself some wiggle room?

    You show me the post you are referring to and if it still confuses you I’ll help you.
    Stop just making stuff up when you have lost the argument


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  • #192
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,045 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yous literally wanting it on table,for a utd ireland discussion (which your entitled to do)???


    Quite,why you feel,someone agreeing everything should be up for discussion is lacking integrity is beyond me,

    Blaaz you are simply telling lies. Just put up the post where I have said I would like negotiations or where I have said I I would like roi to unite with England.


  • #193
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    Anyway back to the land of reality. The only change to the current status quo is a United Ireland. Any other unions are figments of vivid imaginations.


  • #194
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,047 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What do you mean 'funded'...they would be contributing to the pot just like everyone else .

    They would of course, what’s the biggest industry I wonder?

    Cattle smuggling, diesel laundering?

    I hear haulage is a big earner up in the Monaghan booooders?

    Lot of refrigerated trucks about...big fleet...big fleet ..Bulgarian some of them... very entrepreneurial indeed.


  • #195
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Anyway back to the land of reality. The only change to the current status quo is a United Ireland. Any other unions are figments of vivid imaginations.

    Imaginations determined to block out that thing they hated in the first place. That thing that Jim Molyneaux said was 'the worst thing ever happened to us', the Irish people winning self determination for all of us.
    They cannot bear that because they know only too well what it means.


  • #196
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    They would of course, what’s the biggest industry I wonder?

    Cattle smuggling, diesel laundering?

    I hear haulage is a big earner up in the Monaghan booooders?

    Lot of refrigerated trucks about...big fleet...big fleet ..Bulgarian some of them... very entrepreneurial indeed.

    Kinda hard to hide 40 foot trucks Brendan, if they are operating illegally, it shouldn't be beyond the Gardai to shut down. In fact you would wonder what has being going on that they have been able to operate so freely for so long. And how even 'the dogs on the streets' once again know what is going on but nothing is done?

    Anyhow, that is beside the point the people of NI cannot be classed as being 'funded' in their own country that they are contributing to.


  • #197
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    downcow wrote: »
    You show me the post you are referring to and if it still confuses you I’ll help you.
    Stop just making stuff up when you have lost the argument

    Yes that's exactly what's happening here. You got me!

    :sar:


  • #198
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Anyway back to the land of reality. The only change to the current status quo is a United Ireland. Any other unions are figments of vivid imaginations.

    But what will we do with all of these strawmen that I have here to sell you?


  • #199
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Kinda hard to hide 40 foot trucks Brendan, if they are operating illegally, it shouldn't be beyond the Gardai to shut down. In fact you would wonder what has being going on that they have been able to operate so freely for so long. And how even 'the dogs on the streets' once again know what is going on but nothing is done?

    Anyhow, that is beside the point the people of NI cannot be classed as being 'funded' in their own country that they are contributing to.

    Why do Partitionists think it's always a straight transactional process?

    It's maddening.

    I'm very much looking forward to seeing who the "No to Unity" side end up being.


  • #200
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,045 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Anyway back to the land of reality. The only change to the current status quo is a United Ireland. Any other unions are figments of vivid imaginations.

    Agreed. It has been decided so all this nonsense about negotiations and discussions are void of reality.
    GFA it is - ie UK until there is a vote otherwise, and then UI. And then the fun and games starts again as we work for autonomy


  • #201
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    Deficit already at 6.1 billion this year compared to 63 million at the same point last year in the Republic.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/finance-coronavirus-government-covid-paschal-5113941-Jun2020/

    NI is facing a severe recession with one department likely to run out of funds by the 19th of June. What's this year's subvention going to be ?

    https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2020-05-26/northern-ireland-faces-very-severe-recession-conor-murphy/

    Do people still think an UI is a realistic prospect? Decades away at best.


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  • #202
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    jh79 wrote: »
    Deficit already at 6.1 billion this year compared to 63 million at the same point last year in the Republic.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/finance-coronavirus-government-covid-paschal-5113941-Jun2020/

    NI is facing a severe recession with one department likely to run out of funds by the 19th of June. What's this year's subvention going to be ?

    https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2020-05-26/northern-ireland-faces-very-severe-recession-conor-murphy/

    Do people still think an UI is a realistic prospect? Decades away at best.

    Wait, so you're saying it won't happen tomorrow then?

    Covid's effects are the latest excuse to not bother.


  • #203
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Wait, so you're saying it won't happen tomorrow then?

    Covid's effects are the latest excuse to not bother.

    Prior to COVID it would of involved a big financial sacrifice from the South now there isn't a chance of an UI until the economy has recovered. I said previously i believe MLD would never see an UI. If this crisis continues for much longer i don't think anyone who voted for the GFA will see it either.


  • #204
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    jh79 wrote: »
    Prior to COVID it would of involved a big financial sacrifice from the South now there isn't a chance of an UI until the economy has recovered. I said previously i believe MLD would never see an UI. If this crisis continues for much longer i don't think anyone who voted for the GFA will see it either.

    "Sacrifice" as if we're being great benevolent charitable people.

    You really went out on a limb there with your prediction.


  • #205
    CharlesDarwin
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭CharlesDarwin


    Woops, I kinda feel guilty in creating a new social media web site for Ireland now after reading this thread lol


  • #206
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,215 ✭✭✭jh79


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    "Sacrifice" as if we're being great benevolent charitable people.

    You really went out on a limb there with your prediction.

    Well we've had 20+ years already given the circumstance not hard to believe it will be multiples of that before we see any real movement.


  • #207
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    jh79 wrote: »
    Well we've had 20+ years already given the circumstance not hard to believe it will be multiples of that before we see any real movement.

    And it's hard not to believe that perhaps Northern Ireland as an entity as part of the UK is a failure given the fact that it's in its current state after nearly 100 years.

    Perhaps it would be better served being reunited eh?


  • #208
    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    Lord Fairlord wrote: »
    Around 1916 Dublin had some of the worst slums to be found among western European cities.

    Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
    We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
    to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..


  • #209
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,045 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    And it's hard not to believe that perhaps Northern Ireland as an entity as part of the UK is a failure given the fact that it's in its current state after nearly 100 years.

    Perhaps it would be better served being reunited eh?

    A valid point of view, but for you unfortunately a minority point of view at every single point during the last 100 years, and I am pretty confident it will remain a minority point of view for the next 100 years


  • #210
    downcow
    Registered Users Posts: 11,045 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
    We reject any of our British past..We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
    to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..
    this is a wonderful statistic. One I have not heard before. Would you have any evidence or a link - just checking before I open a wee bottle to celebrate my newfound knowledge


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  • #211
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,820 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Iv no doubt that's true. I'm just saying the country was the 11th richest in the world around 1916. Dublin slums got even worse as did Limericks before they started falling down and finally replaced..we still have horrific areas to this day. The World is a tough place. I think we are abit immature as a Nation.
    We reject any of our British past..
    I don't, I am actively involved in preserving their presence here.
    We say we were as colonised as the Indians. We take no ownership of our part in the British Empire ...as Empire Builders.. stats like 60% of civil servants in Bengal in the 1850s being Irish..half Catholic. It is beyond our ability to see past the victimhood of the famine ,as terrible as it was and realise we arent some special case. Even the Indians dont talk as negatively of their British past as much as we do. It's weird. We are ok with all the poor Irish in the British Army over hundreds of years ( no choice,needed
    to put food on the table..,rubbish most joined because they wanted to) ...but as soon as they get to be officer rank we disown them because we Irish cant be Colonisers ..

    It is when some deny the brutal parts of that past that the problems arise.
    What individual Irlsh people did is their own responsibility, far more took no active part in colonisation or the augmentation of the 'Empire', don't forget that stat.


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