Death knell for petrol and diesel cars?

PaddyFagan wrote: »

The article (in the OP) is clearer than others I’ve read. No petrol or diesel new cars from 2030 on, no NCTs for petrol or diesels from 2045.

So no car sold in 2020 will be impacted - unless less you’re getting a 25 year finance deal

And of course, they may yet back down - I suspect some “classic” rule for the NCT will be worked out.

Paddy

So what they are saying that in 11 years time the only new vehicles will be electric vehicles?

Considering that 70 % of all our energy comes from fossil fuels atm it's rather unlikely that our energy production is even going to be close to 70% renewables at that stage

Great thing coal powered vehicles ...

gozunda wrote: »

So what they are saying that in 11 years time the only new vehicles will be electric vehicles?

Yes. In some other countries it's much earlier. In Norway it's only 5 years away. And only 3 years away for taxis.

gozunda wrote: »

Considering that 70 % of all our energy comes from fossil fuels atm it's rather unlikely that our energy production is even going to be close to 70% renewables at that stage

Great thing coal powered vehicles ...

EVs are largely charged at night. Up to 75% of Ireland's night time electricity supply is from wind. This percentage increases every year. Should be up to 100% within the next few years (on a windy night of course)

Ireland has used almost zero coal to generate electricity for nearly a year now...

I wonder what taxes will be introduced onto electric vehicles come 2030 to recoup the excise duty that is currently made on petrol and diesel??

Don 't be in too much of a panic or a hurry over this.

Anyone know the plan for how many power stations we are going to build to power all the recharging that will be needed in 2030 ?

Are we going nuclear to keep cost down (like some of our EU comrades that have less carbon emissions) or will the cost of electricity go through the roof ?

Also, anyone who thinks that taxes (road tax, VRT etc.) won't skyrocket for EVs in a few years once the number of electric vehicles reaches a certain tipping point is badly mistaken. This is a money \ tax grabbing country and if they lose tax from petrol \ diesel drivers then they will bleed the new crop of EV drivers instead.

As regards buying electric now, it's perhaps an even bigger risk than buying diesel. In 6 years time in 2025, there will still be a big market for diesel 2nd hand vehicles. Apart from other considerations, the alternative will be to purchase 2nd hand EV vehicles that will have todays technology. Anyone remember what happened to older mobile phones when smartphones came along ? What did the guys making typewriters or pagers do wrong exactly? Today's technology on EVs will look prehistoric in 5 -7 years and this will be pushed by the now stronger move towards electric and the EV cars bought now will lose massively in value. It's the price for being first and anyone buying an EV today will suffer that in 6-7 years time.

If they eventually start releasing (ordinary) cars that can go 600k on a charge and recharge in 15-20 minutes, which they are going to do in 4-5 years, then buying an older EV that can realistically only go 150\ 200k (with the air con and radio off) will look like madness.

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes if you have plenty of dosh. Not many can afford to.

There will be thousands of second hand electric cars by then...whats the issue?

8-10 wrote: »

These lazy myths are tiresome. It is demonstrably not shifting the burden equivalently onto power plants.

https://knowledge.insead.edu/blog/insead-blog/the-four-most-prevalent-myths-about-electric-cars-10381

Electric cars is the future and I can't wait to trade up my hybrid to full electric. Never going back.

Yep same as that, the current family car us a 2008 petrol Vectra. We are planning a family holiday to Orlando next year so we will drive the bag out of it until then. But late next/early 2021 we will be getting a new car and it will at the very least be a hybrid.

I'd imagine a lot of people out there are planning the same as I, I said here last year that there is a cliff coming for the second hand market for diesel cars very soon and I was laughed at.

I believe that cliff will come in the next 5 years, anyone buying a brand new diesel car now with the plan to upgrade in 5 years would need their head examined IMHO

The government were hammered in local elections and Greens reaped the benefits less than a month ago. So typically the knee jerk reactionary government drummed up this climate change document with no costing or proper planning. They threw out a few dates for when they want to have certain measure implemented but its all bull****. Nothing, NOTHING has ever ran on time in this country, every successive government has failed abysmally reaching targets/dates in relation to climate change and this is going to be no different.

They cant declare a ban on petrol/diesel cars in 11 years when so far to date they have spent next to zero on EV charging points, public transport, cycling infrastructure etc etc in the last decade. Its a ridiculous pipe dream to try and win back voters before the next GE and more about increasing taxes than anything else.

Besides I believe FG are finished in government in the next GE especially if that idiot Leo remains in charge.

Zenith74 wrote: »

For you. EVs make perfect sense for a significant portion of the population who do have the ability to charge at home or at work.

Perfect is the enemy of good; we don't need to wait for every issue with EVs to be solved before beginning to move. Cannot charge at home yet, EVs are not ready for you yet. Need to drive 500km a day with few breaks, EVs are not ready for you yet. Can only afford a €2k car, EVs are not ready for you yet. Need a 7 seater to haul around the family for €20k, EVs are not ready for you yet. Yet being the operative word there though. But those that can move should be encouraged/pushed.

Even 10%/20% of cars switching to EVs would have a real impact on air quality and these kinds of sales will bring down prices to help the next wave of EV buyers get in.

That's all lovely but the government has stated that all new cars from 2030 must be EV. If they want us all to be in EVs then they MUST provide the infrastructure.

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The government were hammered in local elections and Greens reaped the benefits less than a month ago. So typically the knee jerk reactionary government drummed up this climate change document with no costing or proper planning. They threw out a few dates for when they want to have certain measure implemented but its all bull****. Nothing, NOTHING has ever ran on time in this country, every successive government has failed abysmally reaching targets/dates and this is going to be no different.

They cant declare a ban on petrol/diesel cars after 2030 when so far to date they have spent next to zero on charging points, public transport, cycling infrastructure etc etc Its a ridiculous pipe dream to try and win back voters before the next GE.

Wholeheartedly agree with you on this one. FG got a slap in the face from the greens. Don't forget the comments Varadker made after the election results

"The public have sent us a message which is that they want us to accelerate action on climate. It will require changes at individual, community and national level. It won't be easy and won't always be popular but the public support is there for it now"


In other words - ye voted for the greens, no problem I'll lash up taxes and say it's because ye told us ye wanted that for "the environment", because every euro of that will go into green initiatives or public transport.. sure.


Don't get me wrong I actually voted for a green candidate, and I'd love to see something being done, but our current crowd won't do a thing - the only solution we hear time and time again are not that they're going to pump funds into r&d for alternative fuels, or to create a proper charging grid, or address rural public transport issues. No let's up tax - that'll fix things.


So yeah it's exactly that - noise because the greens got votes.