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Bull beef 2019

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  • #32
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    blue5000 wrote: »
    Bulls should KO closer to 60% than 50%, so 600kg LW will give you a 360 kg CW. But the two sims will need 15kg a day, don't forget there is approx 15% moisture in meal, so if you're giving them 10kg fresh weight of meal they might only be getting 8.5 kg DM.

    Are you using straw or silage as roughage?

    Bucket fed one will not. I say at 600kgs LW fresh weight the WH will kill 310 and the SI and CH the same. Problem is the the CH and SI will only be FS 1+/2-. The WH should be ok FS. Most lads giving KO % are off empty stomachs. Another issue will be that the SI and CH will gobble 20-30% more meal/ day than the WH. Time is against him. They will gain 1.4ishkgs/ day on 10hgs of ration and straw.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #33
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    If they are not fit at the 16 month mark I’ll just take the hit and feed on for another month or 6 weeks and I’ll get them in as under 24 month bulls then. The simmentals only cost €150 as calves so they won’t leave too much of a hole in my pocket


  • #34
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    johnnyw20 wrote: »
    If they are not fit at the 16 month mark I’ll just take the hit and feed on for another month or 6 weeks and I’ll get them in as under 24 month bulls then. The simmentals only cost €150 as calves so they won’t leave too much of a hole in my pocket

    Another 40 days feeding at that stage will.be 500kgs of nuts. That is another 150 euro on nuts alone. you will also have the risk of acidosis. Make sure to feed 100 grams a day of limestone flour of there is none in the ration. What is tge make up of your ration and what P is it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #35
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    Another 40 days feeding at that stage will.be 500kgs of nuts. That is another 150 euro on nuts alone. you will also have the risk of acidosis. Make sure to feed 100 grams a day of limestone flour of there is none in the ration. What is tge make up of your ration and what P is it.

    This is the nut im feeding


  • #36
    Cavanjack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    A neighbour of mine if feeding bulls with small bags costing €320 a tonne (not sure what You are paying). A better ration can be got in bulk for €260. That’s at least €80 a head of a saving before you factor in a better thrive from the ration at €260.
    Finishing cattle is all about looking at costs even if you only have a few. You’d be better going with a bulk bag to a merchant rather than buying those bags.


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  • #37
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    A neighbour of mine if feeding bulls with small bags costing €320 a tonne (not sure what You are paying). A better ration can be got in bulk for €260. That’s at least €80 a head of a saving before you factor in a better thrive from the ration at €260.
    Finishing cattle is all about looking at costs even if you only have a few. You’d be better going with a bulk bag to a merchant rather than buying those bags.
    I’m paying €290 at the moment. Getting 3 ton in bulk delivered next week. Got them started off on small bags first just to make it handy knowing the weights building up to adlib


  • #38
    grassroot1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭grassroot1


    johnnyw20 wrote:
    This is the nut im feeding


    Are you sure that ration is recommended for ad lib feeding


  • #39
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Fair play to op for trying something he hasn’t done before.

    Getting plenty of advice which will help and nothing like getting stuck into something and asking plenty of questions from people who are free to share their knowledge.

    Tough times and trying something new is never any harm, even if you loose a few €€ you’ll learn allot for next time round.

    I’ve learned lots from the few posts already here, know nothing about finishing as other than a few dat cull cows nothing here gets finished.

    Hope they’re lucky for ya !


  • #40
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    grassroot1 wrote: »
    Are you sure that ration is recommended for ad lib feeding

    So they tell me anyway


  • #41
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Update on this for those interested

    Weighted them today 510kg ave
    They were 440kg ave on 25 April so daily gain of over 3kg which is good going

    Not 16 months till 7th August so a kilo a day would get them to 600kg so well on track


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  • #42
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Here is one of the bulls being finished. 14 months old today. Bought for €150 as a calf


  • #43
    Muckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    Is the daddy simmental?


  • #44
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Muckit wrote: »
    Is the daddy simmental?

    Yeah simmental. First sim I ever bought


  • #45
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Ran them over the scales this morning. 570kg ave. Happy out. 2.2kg daily rain since last weigh


  • #46
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    johnnyw20 wrote: »
    Ran them over the scales this morning. 570kg ave. Happy out. 2.2kg daily rain since last weigh

    That’s a great gain those bulls are doing brilliant. I’m just after killing a pen with another to go. Reading the early comments here I think it’s a bit off pessimistically. They’ll make the weight easily. Doubt it if they’d eat 15kgs I couldn’t get mine to. I don’t think I’ll do it again though. They work out about even with bullocks but you save grass. Meal is a killer though. I think there’s more pros with the bullock. I spent an hour solid trying to load them. Three of us. If that were a pen of bullocks I’d load them on my own at the same weight.


  • #47
    CloughCasey1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Sent my 3 off today.
    Ave 1515 each. Happy enough as they only cost ave 535 as weanlings. Don't know killout weights yet.


  • #48
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    CloughCasey1 wrote: »
    Sent my 3 off today.
    Ave 1515 each. Happy enough as they only cost ave 535 as weanlings. Don't know killout weights yet.

    That’s a nice little profit. Were they off cows? Let us know the grading and killout when you find out


  • #49
    CloughCasey1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    johnnyw20 wrote: »
    That’s a nice little profit. Were they off cows? Let us know the grading and killout when you find out

    They were. Bought as 5mt olds off cows going to factory.


  • #50
    Cavanjack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    CloughCasey1 wrote: »
    They were. Bought as 5mt olds off cows going to factory.

    Good going. What age did you kill them at? How much meal did they eat?


  • #51
    CloughCasey1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Cavanjack wrote: »
    Good going. What age did you kill them at? How much meal did they eat?

    One was 16mts next week
    Second 15.5mts
    3rd 14.5mts
    Haven't calculated the meal quantity yet.
    Worked up to slowly to16kg per head per day since mid April when housed. Were on 2kg high protein mix all winter. They were housed once the bullocks were let out.


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  • #52
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    CloughCasey1 wrote: »
    One was 16mts next week
    Second 15.5mts
    3rd 14.5mts
    Haven't calculated the meal quantity yet.
    Worked up to slowly to16kg per head per day since mid April when housed. Were on 2kg high protein mix all winter. They were housed once the bullocks were let out.

    You did very well. I got another 4 away this week. U2’s and weighed up to round 400. They came into about £1300 sterling average I’ll look at it later and tell yous. 1.3 tonnes of meal in them and killing round 60/61%
    Aged 14-15 months with one just under 16 ( why I went early with 3)


  • #53
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Couldn’t have picked a worse year to do this but these lads are off to the factory tomorrow. I’ll update everyone how they grade etc and how much I get


  • #54
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Have initial price and grade for the 5 bulls. Ave weight 323kg with 3 rs and 2 O+

    Think I done well for dairy calves which 2 were bought for €150. Just a pity about the price


  • #55
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,138 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    johnnyw20 wrote: »
    Have initial price and grade for the 5 bulls. Ave weight 323kg with 3 rs and 2 O+

    Think I done well for dairy calves which 2 were bought for €150. Just a pity about the price


    If they were FS3's they would have averaged 1175 euro approx if there base was 3.55. If 2+ they be about 25/head less. how much ration did they eat and what were you paying per ton. If you had squeezed them and grassed them for 8 weeks they have weighted 450-480 kgs the start of June and made 850-900/head and no hauling meal. Did they eat 325/head of nuts, bedding another 10/head,. Slaughter and transport would be much the same as Mart and transport.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #56
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    If they were FS3's they would have averaged 1175 euro approx if there base was 3.55. If 2+ they be about 25/head less. how much ration did they eat and what were you paying per ton. If you had squeezed them and grassed them for 8 weeks they have weighted 450-480 kgs the start of June and made 850-900/head and no hauling meal. Did they eat 325/head of nuts, bedding another 10/head,. Slaughter and transport would be much the same as Mart and transport.

    Fat scores were 3- on two and 3= on two and the other was 2+ but I knew he was a bit under done but time was up on him. They are €310 each in ration.

    It was the first time I ever finished animals. I hadn’t the grass or land to graze them for the second summer and if I was to sell them in March/April they would only have made €650/700 odd I’d say going on what others around me sold.

    Overall I’m happy with how they turned out tbh. It’s my second year of reading calves as a hobby really as the main enterprise on this farm is horses. I’ve 5 more bulls that I will do u24 months coming up to Christmas and hopefully the price will be better. I didn’t want to go down the route of having bullocks a second winter as I havnt the space for them and I sold 17/18 month old bullocks last year for less than 800 in August and didn’t fancy that again. I reared heifer calves this year so they will he next years project of finishing and learning more about farming.


  • #57
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    johnnyw20 wrote: »
    Fat scores were 3- on two and 3= on two and the other was 2+ but I knew he was a bit under done but time was up on him. They are €310 each in ration.

    It was the first time I ever finished animals. I hadn’t the grass or land to graze them for the second summer and if I was to sell them in March/April they would only have made €650/700 odd I’d say going on what others around me sold.

    Overall I’m happy with how they turned out tbh. It’s my second year of reading calves as a hobby really as the main enterprise on this farm is horses. I’ve 5 more bulls that I will do u24 months coming up to Christmas and [/b] hopefully the price will be better . I didn’t want to go down the route of having bullocks a second winter as I havnt the space for them and I sold 17/18 month old bullocks last year for less than 800 in August and didn’t fancy that again. I reared heifer calves this year so they will he next years project of finishing and learning more about farming.

    Your some optimist anyways


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