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23-08-2020, 22:24   #31
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Thanks kadman! I'm sure you would add a few dovetail joints, and then give it a French polish!

Do you think the one support in the middle is enough?

No

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That's exactly the box I was trying to describe in my post...safest form of raising a car to work underneath. Hardest part is jacking it up, and that is not too hard either with a good trolley jack. That's for the front wheels,,,I'm not so sure about the rear set up in the video though , I don't really like it for some reason. I would just use the axle stands under the chassis rail's or rear axle,

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Good to hear I'm not the only one worried about axle stands! Exactly, they look like it would be easy to give the car a push and topple them.

Box idea sounds interesting. So you had the car lifted by 14" (18-4)? My jack just goes up to 34cm so even at that I'll have to raise the jack on blocks to slip my thing under the wheels.
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wood will break and splinter buy some jack stands
No it won't.

If it'll hold a ship in dry dock, it'll hold a car.....
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24-08-2020, 08:11   #35
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Good to hear I'm not the only one worried about axle stands! Exactly, they look like it would be easy to give the car a push and topple them.

Box idea sounds interesting. So you had the car lifted by 14" (18-4)? My jack just goes up to 34cm so even at that I'll have to raise the jack on blocks to slip my thing under the wheels.
I personaly think your fears about axle stands used properly are unfounded.

I have used these axle stands for years, and fully extended under beetles I have worked on. And if you can topple these from below, then you can topple your blocks too.

And these are not the el cheapo versions that come from lidl/aldi.

Support stands are all about the base of the stand, the wider the better..
You would have to be the hulk to push a car, PROPERLY set up on these stands
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Wheel cribs video
I'm confused here, I'm asking if you think one support in the middle is enough and you say no, but post something with none!

This is what I am planning:



But, do you think I need to do this?

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I personaly think your fears about axle stands used properly are unfounded.
I'm sure you're right, but it's just a personal feel thing ...

Agree re base size, that's why mine will be 12" x 20"
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2nd pic is a 100% improvement.

Drilled and screwed instead of nailing.

I am still puzzled that this pad of timber totalling 135mm allows you enough room to manouvre
underneath the car, let alone reach around for spanners ect.

I definitely could not get under with them and work at that height.

Of course I am a well fed gossin with 2 damaged shoulders
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I'm sure you're right, but it's just a personal feel thing ...

Agree re base size, that's why mine will be 12" x 20"
Axle stands , good strong and well designed ones are quite safe. But when placing them you need to be very careful...the first one is not a problem, because the the jack is lifting the side that the stand will go under. The problem is when you jack up the other side, it can shift the position of the first one.. and even topple it over. That's why I always have sledge hammer with me when raising a car on stands...as I lift the 2nd side, I keep checking the first stand, and giving it a few taps to keep it in the correct position. Even when the car is lowered and fully resting on the stands,l give them another few taps with the sledge to "settle" them in position. I've never had an accident with them, but I have seen what badly placed stands can do. But if I'm planning on working underneath the car, I'll jack it up and drop the two front wheels into the "boxes". Then I feel safe working underneath it. I recently changed the auto transmission fluid in a Merc , a job that takes a bit of time, while the car was lifted in this manner. No problem.
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Its annoying when you jack a car at the jack point that you cant put the stand under the jack point or sometimes even close to it because the base of the stand hits the trolly jack.

I always put some folded corrugated cardboard between the car and the stand to protect the car a bit.
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Everytime I see them i cringe, I mean I'm sure they've been safety tested properly but the gauge and size of the angle bar they use just doesn't sit well with me. I'd never buy them.
I have a set of them in the shed for years and have never had any issue.
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I have a set of them in the shed for years and have never had any issue.
Kevhog :- You will never have an issue with your axle stand's. If you leave them in your shed? Regard's KB
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2nd pic is a 100% improvement.

Drilled and screwed instead of nailing.

I am still puzzled that this pad of timber totalling 135mm allows you enough room to manouvre underneath the car, let alone reach around for spanners ect.

Thanks, yes I plan to drill and screw it together.


It sure won't be very comfortable, but like I said I'm slim and did have two wheels up on the kerb which is about 4.5", I was just under to have a look (and check a part number on the gearbox). It was hard no doubt but doable, and I think having all 4 wheels up will make a difference. Also, amybe the car has better than average ground clearance??

Anyway, if not enough I will extend by 1 layer.
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I always put some folded corrugated cardboard between the car and the stand to protect the car a bit.

A video I've seen (Kent Bergsma / Mercedessource) suggested reinforced hose:


https://youtu.be/cpOypTmGwUA?t=181
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Kevhog :- You will never have an issue with your axle stand's. If you leave them in your shed? Regard's KB

Ive seen the crap halfrauds axle stand collapse in the past
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