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06-03-2017, 12:13   #31
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My original post about Project Dunkelfeld stated that there are a great many men whose sexual orientation is towards children or young teenagers, but who are horrified by their urges. Project Dunkelfeld was started to treat these men, who were afraid to seek treatment themselves, fearing that they would be arrested even though they had never acted on their desires.

The paedophiles/hebephiles who do believe that children enjoy their attentions, who do not believe that children or young teenagers are traumatised, are much more likely to act on their desires. And, it might be, only come to treatment when forced to, because of having been arrested and sent to Jail.

Both kinds of paedophiles/hebephiles - the ones who are horrified by themselves, and the ones who think it's fine to act on their desires - need treatment.

The point that Project Dunklefeld made was that by treating the inactive men, it is preventative work. And apparently they have been quite successful in treating them. It's interesting that P Dunklefeld does quite a bit of social skills training.

I think (have no evidence) that the ones who are active, who have abused, who deny that what they do IS abuse, are much much harder to treat.
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06-03-2017, 23:16   #32
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I think they need understanding before treatment becomes an option. perhaps an understanding that way they feel is normal for many humans? it's a case of identifying the ones then that have the potential to cause problems for children....often times the reason they can act on these causes thought is because of problems in their own upbringing or enviorment.....blaming them will not fix the problem and certainly not destroying them as a human being for behaving in certain ways.....many parts of a persons personality and behaviour aren't from their own free will originally, we behave in certain ways due to automatic reactions. take tourettes for example.

these people cannot be allowed express themselves this way in society when they do act on that free will but peoples habits can even change to brain trauma or damage. these causes need to be taken into account.

perhaps it's a case of education and awareness that parents and children need to be given, so they can identify people that are willing to take the step towards damaging a victim? once that step is taken a decision should be made as to whether that person needs to be locked up or not....or research into why this person developed in such a way that they made a decision to do what they do.....
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Unfortunately, we as a nation, as a society, have an awful track record in protecting the children of the nation, the old, the infirm, the vulnerable. We have scandal after scandal emerging, and yet no money or will to provide proper services for the vulnerable of the land. We do not care about how the present traumas will impact on people in 10 or 20 or 30 years' time. Given the deficits in housing, education, social services, I can't help but think that any sensible intervention for these men and the causes of their abnormal sexuality is down at the bottom of the list and will never make it half-way up.
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I'm beginning to think that due to populist political ideas coming to fruition and the ability of the internet to allow access to alternative news media (truth non biased is something i'm working on at the moment; in terms of gathering information on certain types of things and not adding opinion pieces; but making it available for independent journalists or independent media outlets).... most the people on the street hate these kind of problems and just want the bloody things dealt with once and for all but everyone is afraid to say anything.....not me though....pm me if you would like more information on getting such sources of information available in a centralized location for independent analysis.
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I only skimmed through but this looks interesting and could potentially be revolutionary. Whatever people think, paedophilia exists as a phenomenon and if we can treat people before it becomes a potential danger then that can only be a good thing. The main problem I see is stigma. I have no doubt there are people there who are paedophiles by inclination but have no desire to harm kids, are they going to put their head above the parapet? Probably not.
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YoungRogerian, if you had read the thread... yes, people who have paedophiliac tendencies do seek therapy to overcome it if they are given assurances of confidentiality.
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I actually did read the thread and was just giving an opinion, no need to be rude.
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Er, you said you had skimmed the thread.
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No. I said I only skimmed through, by which I meant the presentation. That you ASSUMED I meant the thread was you not reading properly. In any event, just saying people might be slow to stick their head over the parapet as a paedophile given the hysteria you mentioned.

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Paedophilia an illness

Is it possible, or likely, as I have seen elsewhere mentioned, that paedophilia is a mental illness and should be treated as?

I am sure the paedophiles don't want to be attracted to childs, but can't help it. Like (and I expect this is danger territory) homosexuals are a deviation from the percieved normal, are peadophiles a similar deviation?

If gambling and alcohol are a disease of the mind, are sex deviations also?

I don't know, but it seems possible to me that it would be an illness that should be treated, and maybe if there was program in place without judgment, they would get help and not offend?

In classical times it was as normal for a person to have a child lover as a same sex lover. I don't know if they were seen as deviant though.
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Oof. That's a big question. I've done quite a bit of research in the area in a previous job, and it does seem that you can trace the origin of the sexual interest in children back to significant events during childhood for many offenders. There are sex offender treatment programs (SOTP), and I imagine a therapeutic focus would involve formulating around the development and maintaining factors of the attraction. But I don't know of any statistics about the success rates of SOTPs, or how possible it is actually reshape someone's sexual orientation. It certainly conjures up uncomfortable images of awful "gay conversion treatments" based on punishment and shame.

I think it would be theoretically possible to help someone who found themselves feeling sexually attracted to children, but it'll be a long time before society in general would be open to such a thing. It would also require a person to be enormously motivated and reflective, and I'm not sure how often that goes hand-in-hand with somebody who can engage in sexual acts with children.
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