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The case for NOT supporting local business

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭NSAman


    GarIT wrote: »
    Yea they will no problem. You just have to register with them as a charity and then ask shoppers to select you as their chosen charity.

    And personally I'm sort of against businesses giving to charity. I'd rather they lower prices than fund the GAA club.

    Unfortunately GarIT, many others think that local businesses have to fund every little thing that comes up. You literally have no idea how many times friends get hit up for donations ....

    Good to know about Amazon though, but clubs are rarely registered charities, most of the local groups are not either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Self wallowing touchy feely ****e in fairness. By my own background, address and family background I was a prime candidate for a life of petty crime (or worse) drug abuse or eternal low income employment. But , albeit a little later in life than I should have, I got off my arse and fixed it. Bad choices are still choices that were made.

    Again, more bullsh1t, once again, there's plenty of evidence to support, we don't live on a planet of equal opportunities, and as inequality grows, inequality of opportunities also grows, this directly affects critical societal issues, such as 'social mobility', so people can and do get stuck, due to elements completely out of their control, there's loads of data and research to support this, what worked for previous generations, may not work for younger generations
    Endlessly feeling sorry for yourself and blaming the system, society or luck is a choice. Staying put in a poorly paid role you know is going nowhere is a choice. There are precious few nations on this earth that offer the same opportunities to drag oneself out of a rut and change your situation as this one. For all our problems we do that well. But nobody will drop it in your lap. You have to go and do it yourself. If you don't want to, or invent reasons as to why you can't, guess what, that's a choice too.

    Have you ever had to deal with complex disorders and mental health issues, our modern society isn't very well adapted for them, and instead of truly supporting and helping such individuals, we ve decided it's best to do the opposite and while we 're at it, we ve decided, let's shame and ridicule them, treat them like pariahs. How dare you all sit there on your phone's, pointing your fingers, judging, shaming these folks, when this is exactly what we ve been doing to them, probably for their whole lives, and you d wonder why many of these folks end up with complex addictions and behavioural problems! Spend some time around such folks, and you will see the devastating affect this has on these individuals lives, and it doesn't stop there, as it tends to carry forward, for generations. It creates devastating outcomes for decades, costing the state, I.e. you, a bloody fortune to deal with, so if you wanna continue wasting your hard earned cash, and I'm sure it is exactly that, let's continue as is, actually let's allow it to continue so your kids and grandkids get screwed as well!

    You folks know fcuk all about these social issues and their complexities, but you ve no problems coming on the internet's, wagging your fingers, you clearly don't give a sh1t about your hard earned cash, and your offsprings either!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Again, more bullsh1t, once again, there's plenty of evidence to support, we don't live on a planet of equal opportunities, and as inequality grows, inequality of opportunities also grows, this directly affects critical societal issues, such as 'social mobility', so people can and do get stuck, due to elements completely out of their control, there's loads of data and research to support this, what worked for previous generations, may not work for younger generations



    Have you ever had to deal with complex disorders and mental health issues, our modern society isn't very well adapted for them, and instead of truly supporting and helping such individuals, we ve decided it's best to do the opposite and while we 're at it, we ve decided, let's shame and ridicule them, treat them like pariahs. How dare you all sit there on your phone's, pointing your fingers, judging, shaming these folks, when this is exactly what we ve been doing to them, probably for their whole lives, and you d wonder why many of these folks end up with complex addictions and behavioural problems! Spend some time around such folks, and you will see the devastating affect this has on these individuals lives, and it doesn't stop there, as it tends to carry forward, for generations. It creates devastating outcomes for decades, costing the state, I.e. you, a bloody fortune to deal with, so if you wanna continue wasting your hard earned cash, and I'm sure it is exactly that, let's continue as is, actually let's allow it to continue so your kids and grandkids get screwed as well!

    You folks know fcuk all about these social issues and their complexities, but you ve no problems coming on the internet's, wagging your fingers, you clearly don't give a sh1t about your hard earned cash, and your offsprings either!

    Away off and cry for the world. Maybe one day day your ship will come. The rest of us will get on with it in the meantime.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Away off and cry for the world. Maybe one day day your ship will come. The rest of us will get on with it in the meantime.

    nonsense, loads of research and data out there to support my views, shur carry on with you re judgemental views, and paying more taxes to deal with the consequences of not dealing with these issues, you must love paying more taxes


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    nonsense, loads of research and data out there to support my views, shur carry on with you re judgemental views, and paying more taxes to deal with the consequences of not dealing with these issues, you must love paying more taxes

    **** or get off the pot. If there's a recurring theme through pretty much all your posts on here, it's constant references to "loads of research and data", upon being pressed you will usually produce some sketchy YouTube video. I'll save you the time. I don't want to see it.

    I hope one day you may realise you cannot change the things that may happen, but how you react to them and the actions you take is wholly in your power. I hope for your sake when you realise that, you will begin to change, and that it will not be too late.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    nonsense, loads of research and data out there to support my views, shur carry on with you re judgemental views, and paying more taxes to deal with the consequences of not dealing with these issues, you must love paying more taxes


    The issues of people not getting their lives together? Money is being thrown at this for years so don't pretend it's not.



    With online courses etc it's never been easier to educate yourself, sure I dropped out of college and then learned online in my own time, it takes effort and personal responsibility.

    No excuse to being stuck in a minimum wage job with the options available these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    **** or get off the pot. If there's a recurring theme through pretty much all your posts on here, it's constant references to "loads of research and data", upon being pressed you will usually produce some sketchy YouTube video. I'll save you the time. I don't want to see it.

    I hope one day you may realise you cannot change the things that may happen, but how you react to them and the actions you take is wholly in your power. I hope for your sake when you realise that, you will begin to change, and that it will not be too late.

    dont mind youtube then, there loads of research about rising inequality and its relation to these issues, shur just look at the work of people such as stiglitz, piketty etc etc.

    we do not have full control of future outcomes, no humans does, only someone whos narcissistic and arrogant would consider such a thing


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    The issues of people not getting their lives together? Money is being thrown at this for years so don't pretend it's not.



    With online courses etc it's never been easier to educate yourself, sure I dropped out of college and then learned online in my own time, it takes effort and personal responsibility.

    No excuse to being stuck in a minimum wage job with the options available these days.

    again, bullsh1t, our educational and training systems simply do not work for some, even some respected educators confirm this, what worked for you, may not work for others, we are not all the same, we do not have all the same opportunities and abilities. the truth is people do get stuck in low paid jobs, for long periods, again, some of these individuals are actually reasonably well educated, this is what people such as stiglitz and piketty talk about in their work, its called 'social mobility', or the lack of, particularly in relation to rising inequality


  • Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    dont mind youtube then, there loads of research about rising inequality and its relation to these issues, shur just look at the work of people such as stiglitz, piketty etc etc.

    we do not have full control of future outcomes, no humans does, only someone whos narcissistic and arrogant would consider such a thing


    This isn't the USA, in Ireland we have equal opportunities.
    For sure people have drugs/mental/alcohol/education issues, and there are countless groups throwing money at those things, but it's no excuse for 1000s of people to play a "poor me" card that they are stuck in retail or whatever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 604 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    again, bullsh1t, our educational and training systems simply do not work for some, even some respected educators confirm this, what worked for you, may not work for others, we are not all the same, we do not have all the same opportunities and abilities. the truth is people do get stuck in low paid jobs, for long periods, again, some of these individuals are actually reasonably well educated, this is what people such as stiglitz and piketty talk about in their work, its called 'social mobility', or the lack of, particularly in relation to rising inequality


    Fair enough if secondary school or uni doesn't work for you, but YOU can find a way to learn yourself, not everything needs to be hand-holding ffs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    This isn't the USA, in Ireland we have equal opportunities.
    For sure people have drugs/mental/alcohol/education issues, and there are countless groups throwing money at those things, but it's no excuse for 1000s of people to play a "poor me" card that they are stuck in retail or whatever.

    again, more bullsh1t, we ve all gone down the same political and economic cul-de sac, the same thing is happening here, as is in other western nations, this form of capitalism is a train wreck, only we havent truly accepted it yet
    Fair enough if secondary school or uni doesn't work for you, but YOU can find a way to learn yourself, not everything needs to be hand-holding ffs.

    but if our systems continually fail to meet the needs of some, people tend to simply give up, this approach is costing you a fortune, and by sitting there and pointing the finger, results in, no change


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ..............



    but if our systems continually fail to meet the needs of some, people tend to simply give up, this approach is costing you a fortune, and by sitting there and pointing the finger, results in, no change

    Changing the system to try and meet the needs of that same "some" would also cost a fortune and be of little use, benefit to anyone.

    The some you refer to are largely comprised of folk akin to "The Lotos-Eaters" in Alfred Tennyson's poem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,981 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This isn't the USA, in Ireland we have equal opportunities.

    Equal opportunities? Bwaahhahhaaa.

    So the kid being educated in the smaller class size private school who does a couple of grinds at the weekend, and enjoys the educational trips each user, and uses their own laptop and broadband for private research has the same 'equal opportunities' to the kid being educated in the large, busy classroom while doing his homework off their old smartphone?

    Or the adult in the never ending waiting list for the cataract operation has 'equal opportunities' to the person with health insurance who gets booked in for next month?

    You're joking, right?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Sorry, what has all this equal opportunity or mental health bollocks got to do with buying locally?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    So what is the answer then?

    There are plenty of potential solutions but cost and practicality needed to be considered. Maybe 1 to 1 tuition could be done for people that have difficulty with how courses etc. are currently delivered. That would come with a high cost however and you would need to question how the student would cope in a work environment where that level of support wouldn't exist.

    Springboard offer some great upskilling courses if people are interested, must do one myself - https://springboardcourses.ie/


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Augeo wrote:
    The some you refer to are largely comprised of folk akin to "The Lotos-Eaters" in Alfred Tennyson's poem.

    You can't even contain your prejudice, not to worry, as keeping things the same, more just comes out of your pocket!
    Sorry, what has all this equal opportunity or mental health bollocks got to do with buying locally?

    Buying locally increases the chances of more money remaining in the local economy, which in turn may keep local businesses open, our local sme's are the largest employer of the state, therefore by continually supporting them, decreases the chances of closure, therefore decreasing the amount of jobs lost. this in return, decreasing the potential rise of mental health issues related to joblosses. Continually only supporting foreign retailers online, only further compounds the above, effectively undermining everyone's job, including yours.
    There are plenty of potential solutions but cost and practicality needed to be considered. Maybe 1 to 1 tuition could be done for people that have difficulty with how courses etc. are currently delivered. That would come with a high cost however and you would need to question how the student would cope in a work environment where that level of support wouldn't exist.

    There are indeed plenty of solutions, but due to cuts, particularly during the austerity period, many of these solutions and services have been significantly reduced, or abolished outright, only a small percentage of students have access to 1 on 1 services, I've been very lucky to receive them, but these have been significantly scaled back now.

    Some specialised services do facilitate employment opportunities for those that can avail of these services, with employers fully engaged in these individuals needs, some employers in fact request such individuals, as their disabilities and disorders can be of significant value to the employer. Employers are generally compensated for any productivity deficits these individuals bring.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    You can't even contain your prejudice, not to worry, as keeping things the same, more just comes out of your pocket! .............

    I'm not prejudiced at all .......... calling out wasters as wasters doesn't suit your lefty views (which aren't your own really, they are other folks views that you plagiarise). For every genuine person that the system doesn't suit there's 20 odd wasters gaming the same system and overloading the assistance networks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 333 ✭✭Vieira82


    Augeo wrote: »
    I'm not prejudiced at all ..........

    then
    doesn't suit your lefty views (which aren't your own really, they are other folks views that you plagiarise). For every genuine person that the system doesn't suit there's 20 odd wasters gaming the same system and overloading the assistance networks.

    no prejudice at all indeed :D:D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,981 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Wanderer78 wrote: »

    Some specialised services do facilitate employment opportunities for those that can avail of these services, with employers fully engaged in these individuals needs, some employers in fact request such individuals, as their disabilities and disorders can be of significant value to the employer. Employers are generally compensated for any productivity deficits these individuals bring.

    There are also employers who specifically target potential employees with certain disabilities given the substantial benefits that arise for the business, without any compensation or subsidy supports. Have a look at the work Microsoft have done across the globe to change their recruitment practices to ensure that people with autism can be employed.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Vieira82 wrote: »
    ........

    no prejudice at all indeed :D:D:D

    Ah yes, the lad who knows everything about the European shoe industry but doesn't know shoes are handmade in England :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    You can't even contain your prejudice, not to worry, as keeping things the same, more just comes out of your pocket!
    Augeo wrote: »
    I'm not prejudiced at all .......... calling out wasters as wasters doesn't suit your lefty views (which aren't your own really, they are other folks views that you plagiarise). For every genuine person that the system doesn't suit there's 20 odd wasters gaming the same system and overloading the assistance networks.

    what in gods name are you on about now?

    'which aren't your own really, they are other folks views that you plagiarise'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 333 ✭✭Vieira82


    Augeo wrote: »
    Ah yes, the lad who knows everything about the European shoe industry but doesn't know shoes are handmade in England :pac:

    oh would you look at that? so you do support local? except on the next island is it? :D:D:D

    I'd chance a guess if there was an Irish shoemaker doing brogues you'd go to him and spit on him calling him to lay off the benefits is it? :D:D

    congrats, you win every argument! :D

    no prejudice at all except at his own country and it's people, crafters, and obviously local people that actually work more than you. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    There are also employers who specifically target potential employees with certain disabilities given the substantial benefits that arise for the business, without any compensation or subsidy supports. Have a look at the work Microsoft have done across the globe to change their recruitment practices to ensure that people with autism can be employed.

    its not just major corporations looking for people with complex disorders, ive seen much smaller startups also looking for them, in fact, some actually only want to employ people on the spectrum, due to their unique abilities, economist pippa malmgren regularly recommends major corporations to do so, also due to these abilities


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    screamer wrote: »
    I buy clothes locally as I like to see what I’m buying. I don’t believe in this fast fashion crap and would rather pay more for something of quality that lasts well. Yes, it is more expensive but so be it, this cut everything to the bottom line is why we are so dependant in China and other Far Eastern countries for crap. Filling our world with crap and wrecking the environment. Some things are worth paying extra for, but greed always wins.


    I'd be very surprised if the clothes being sold in your local boutique are not manufactured in China or Vietnam or Bangladesh, in the same street (or even the same factory) as the stuff destined for H&M or Penneys.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    its not just major corporations looking for people with complex disorders, ive seen much smaller startups also looking for them, in fact, some actually only want to employ people on the spectrum, due to their unique abilities, economist pippa malmgren regularly recommends major corporations to do so, also due to these abilities

    There you go then, go get a job with one of these. Maybe then you'll give the rest of us a break from your constant cribbing how the educational system and the big bad world failed you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,703 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    salonfire wrote:
    There you go then, go get a job with one of these. Maybe then you'll give the rest of us a break from your constant cribbing how the educational system and the big bad world failed you.

    Don't need, I'm just fine, but I am concerned about others, and these failures are actually costing you a fortune, but I guess that's a problem for yourself


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    Looked to get a set of blinds for the house, rang a few local companies all coming in around 1000 quid to supply and fit or 800 quid supply only.
    Got them online for 400. Measured up myself.

    Took down my own old blinds, disposed of them and fitted new ones in under an hour.

    If local lads had been in around 500 I'd have went with them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I won't be going out of my way to support Irish businesses.

    Irish businesses care about making money for themselves, so I care about making the most of my money. Look at the hotels and accommodation last summer. Were Irish businesses thinking of Irish customers when they decided to hike their prices up 50% because they could get it?

    As for the comments like "when you buy local, you're helping someone send their daughter to dance class, not helping Jeff Bezos buy another yacht!". Well, saving money on Amazon helps send my daughter to dance class.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Pussyhands wrote: »

    As for the comments like "when you buy local, you're helping someone send their daughter to dance class, not helping Jeff Bezos buy another yacht!". Well, saving money on Amazon helps send my daughter to dance class.

    By the end of next year Amazon will have 5000 employees in ireland (permanent, full time, mostly well-paid tech jobs).

    So buying Amazon is in some ways buying local.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Heebie


    3DataModem wrote:
    By the end of next year Amazon will have 5000 employees in ireland (permanent, full time, mostly well-paid tech jobs).

    3DataModem wrote:
    So buying Amazon is in some ways buying local.


    The tech jobs are in AWS. The majority of employees relating to the part of amazon you buy stuff from... are delivery drivers.
    Then there are corporate bigwigs... not a lot of them.


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