New Worldwide Handicap System

Also hopefully that the slope of our golf courses will be affected by the weather we receive. I.e. a 7000 yard course in Ireland should have a much more difficult slope rating than a 7000 yard course in Texas by virtue of the weather we play in every day of the week

There is a lot of questions that need to be answered, I don't think a date should have been given without some sort of accompanying information for Ireland and the UK in particular.

If they know when they can implement it they know what they want to implement.

About handicap building, i would assume there is going to be some memory system built in.

e.g. a long time 4-6 handicapper who shot maybe a +1 and a few +2s last season but is practicing less and is averaging +9 (best 8 of last 20) this season, system could apply a lower multiplier to someone who broke SSS by a certain number of shots. Something similar to a clause 19/ESR type rule we currently have.

So instead of handicap going to 9, it may go out to 7.

I cant wait, maybe I will finally win a Captains Prize :P

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Golf in Ireland & Britain is played completely differently than the US for example. They pretty much play casual golf only and enter their scores on an App which tracks and adjusts their HC.

And as we all know the way they play with gimmies etc. which is why their HC's are a nonsense. We need to see some details but I'm holding out some hope as the R&A and the GUI have been very proactive in reducing the banditry over here and can't see them allowing someone increase their HC by 5 shots in a season.

Agree that handicaps in the US are a joke but people there play with far lower handicaps than they should - its about ego, not winning competitions.

https://www.englandgolf.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/QAs-PDF.docx.pdf

That is much better than anything we have

If I'm reading it right, this is how a simple 8/20 would work for me

Working out my handicap over my last 20 rounds, me best 8 cards are :: +11, +10, +9, +10, +7, +6, +5 and +1. This gives me an average of 7.375(7.4) which is 7.

The next round I play, I'm going to lose the +5. So in order to stay off 7, I'll need to shoot +6 or better. If I don't beat +11, my total will be 65 as I have another +11 round to sub in and my new exact will be 8.125.

The good news is, that for the next 6 rounds I'm free Wheeling as none of those rounds are counting in my calculation and I have 6 opportunities to get cut. The bad news is, if I play badly through to round 9, I'll lose the +1 and my new handicap will be around 10.5 lol


That of course doesn't factor in slope and other such things, but for people genuinely trying to be their best, it's not bad at all. But for bandits its amazing!

Rikand wrote: »

If I'm reading it right, this is how a simple 8/20 would work for me

Working out my handicap over my last 20 rounds, me best 8 cards are :: +11, +10, +9, +10, +7, +6, +5 and +1. This gives me an average of 7.375(7.4) which is 7.

The next round I play, I'm going to lose the +5. So in order to stay off 7, I'll need to shoot +6 or better. If I don't beat +11, my total will be 65 as I have another +11 round to sub in and my new exact will be 8.125.

The good news is, that for the next 6 rounds I'm free Wheeling as none of those rounds are counting in my calculation and I have 6 opportunities to get cut. The bad news is, if I play badly through to round 9, I'll lose the +1 and my new handicap will be around 10.5 lol


That of course doesn't factor in slope and other such things, but for people genuinely trying to be their best, it's not bad at all. But for bandits its amazing!

Think there is a multiplier as well. .9 something

Roger_007 wrote: »

Is it not the case that the handicap committee in each club still effectively will have the final say in determining handicaps. So, if someone is obviously 'acting the bollix' with the scores they are returning, the handicap committee can overrule the automated determination.
What's the problem?

It could leave the poor handicap sec open to accusations .... " Are you trying to tell me I'm not being genuine ? "

Does anyone actually know how to calculate the new handicap system - Its hard to find it...

Ive my 20 scores ready to go and my best 8

Is it 20 last scores from this year or total? how does a NR work? I presume It isn't counted in the 20 scores.

A NR shouldn't make it into your best 8 rounds.
If u don't have 20 rounds then less rounds go to make up your Handicap index.

Your Handicap Index is your best 8 rounds averaged out then multiply by .96.

To do it right you have to have the course rating and slope rating to get your 8 best rounds as they might not be your 8 lowest scores.
Score - course rating × 113÷ slope rating.
80 - 72 × 113 ÷ 135 = 6.7 differential for that round.
80 - 72 × 113 ÷ 125 = 7.2 differential for that round.

That gives you a handicap differential and it's the lowest 8 of those u use.

Say u had a 80 on a tough course and 75 on a easy course it maybe the 80 that makes it into your best 8.
The slope and course rating are needed to do the calculation.
All makes perfect sense.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You could work it from gross scores. But for handiness take your current handicap and say its 10 if one of your 8 best was 34 points then add 2 to your handicap (2 + 10 = 12). If you had 40 points subtract 4. (10 - 4 = 6) Do that for all 8 scores. Add them up and divide by 8.

Not really if 2 golfers play a par 72 course and they both have shot say 8 rounds of 80. They could have very different handicaps depending on the difficulty of the course.

I assume that a computer system will churn out the handicap adjustments but what I don't understand is how are 'recreational' rounds going to get into the system to be included in the calculation of handicaps?
Am I missing something?