Bought a car on auction in UK without v5

pawelba · 09-02-2019 9:43am #1

Bought a car on auction in UK without v5, DVLA used to send cert of permanent export which was enough to register the car here. They stopped doing that on 14th of Jan 2019. So if the car has neither v5 nor the cert, is there any way to vrt it?
Can apply for v5 replacement giving them my friend's uk address? Or if the car is in ireland already it won't work?

macplaxton · 09-02-2019 1:28pm

Don't buy a car without a V5C!

https://www.gov.uk/taking-vehicles-out-of-uk

Isambard · 09-02-2019 2:48pm

macplaxton wrote: »

Don't buy a car without a V5C!

https://www.gov.uk/taking-vehicles-out-of-uk

especially if that's really true about not sending export certs any more.

macplaxton · 09-02-2019 8:29pm

It is really true.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-a-certificate-of-permanent-export

galwaytt · 10-02-2019 8:47am

pawelba wrote: »

Bought a car on auction in UK without v5, DVLA used to send cert of permanent export which was enough to register the car here. They stopped doing that on 14th of Jan 2019. So if the car has neither v5 nor the cert, is there any way to vrt it?
Can apply for v5 replacement giving them my friend's uk address? Or if the car is in ireland already it won't work?

How do you know they owned it if you didn't see the V5 ??

Even if you did see it, you still need it with you. The amount of people who let the seller 'send it to the DVLC first' boggles : does no-one read anything anymore? It actually says it on it.

And the sellers are equally uninformed.

pawelba · 10-02-2019 3:15pm

buying and selling for last few years. most of the cars from auctions do not have v5 as they are destroyed by insurance companies. up to 14.01.19 you could get cert of export.
now - you can apply for replacement v5 but you need uk address.
i was wondering if anybody has done it already or if there is any other way to register it here?

macplaxton · 11-02-2019 4:14pm

galwaytt wrote: »

How do you know they owned it if you didn't see the V5 ??

You still don't know they owned it. The name on the V5C is the "keeper", the one they send the fines to, not necessarily the legal owner, which could be a finance co or other.

Either way, the current procedure is what it is. Either you work with that, or give up.

There are ways of registering an unregistered vehicle, but the procedure is a complete ball-ache compared to just have a vehicle registration certificate from another country to hand.

galwaytt · 11-02-2019 4:36pm

macplaxton wrote: »

You still don't know they owned it. The name on the V5C is the "keeper", the one they send the fines to, not necessarily the legal owner, which could be a finance co or other.

Either way, the current procedure is what it is. Either you work with that, or give up.

There are ways of registering an unregistered vehicle, but the procedure is a complete ball-ache compared to just have a vehicle registration certificate from another country to hand.

True, but importing aside, a car without paperwork is...........a paperweight. Or boat anchor.

biko · 11-02-2019 5:09pm

Moved out from a thread about VRT

Vladp · 02-03-2019 1:46pm

Is NIreland address any good?

macplaxton · 03-03-2019 12:19pm

NI address is good with the DVLA,.

11wingnut · 31-05-2019 9:54am

In a similar situation .. is new v5 to uk address only option..? or is there an understanding vrt person?

smc1993 · 13-06-2019 1:41am

hi I am in similar situation I bought a car but didn't know I had to take the vc5 form so the seller sent it to DVLA Swansea and they still have not sent me out anything will they send me any sort of proof of ownership or does anyone know what I have to do to get new log book its causing me a lot of hassle at min and cant seem to get a answer anywhere any advice will help ? is there any way to get the car's VRT done ??

Isambard · 13-06-2019 9:10am

smc1993 wrote: »

hi I am in similar situation I bought a car but didn't know I had to take the vc5 form so the seller sent it to DVLA Swansea and they still have not sent me out anything will they send me any sort of proof of ownership or does anyone know what I have to do to get new log book its causing me a lot of hassle at min and cant seem to get a answer anywhere any advice will help ? is there any way to get the car's VRT done ??

They won't send a new one out to an Irish address. If you contact them, they might send the old one to you, if they can trace it. You are probably looking at penalties for late VRT payment as I doubt it's a quick process. I know of no other way to do it as they no longer send out Certs of Export.

11wingnut · 13-06-2019 11:40pm

Swansea say it is up to the country the car is exported to . to get a new book.. they obviously never dealt with vrt office here ,, An Ni or Gb Address is most likely an easy way to go but takes up to 6 weeks costs 25 stg on dvla web site .

mikehn · 14-06-2019 2:11pm

Just a thought, if one registered with Parcel Motel they would then have a Northern Ireland address. Obtain their replacement V5 as EG John Smith pm 123456. The car owner collects their envelope from their PM locker. Happy days. V5 in hand with northern Ireland address and now transfers it to spouse/ self with southern address.:D

11wingnut · 14-06-2019 3:54pm

was about to post / try that ..

IJS84 · 14-06-2019 4:06pm

I was just about to suggest the PM address or An Post Addresspal as a work around the UK address issue

Isambard · 14-06-2019 8:21pm

I suspect that they won't do that.

type85 · 14-06-2019 9:37pm

Just use the V561 form and send it or fax it to Swansea as normal. It still works. I sent one in Feb and received the permanent export certificate 5 weeks later.

rugbyman · 20-06-2019 3:32pm

thank you type 85, i just rang Swansea after six weeks, which their recording had suggested it takes, they had not even received my letter(their system would have logged it on arrival)

was about to do the same again(apply from N.I) and saw your note, i see it took five weeks, the N.I. route is six hmmmm, now the question is, were you lucky

Regards

Marcusm · 20-06-2019 11:55pm

The cert of permanent export process no longer exists.

11wingnut · 21-06-2019 12:24am

i sent form to Swansey not in a hurry so try easy way first ,, but they did say on phone that they stopped sending them

11wingnut · 05-07-2019 10:36am

Swansey replied that they no longer issue export certs and up to the country car is imported to.. I think i will try parcel motel .

Batman1irish · 10-07-2019 7:52pm

What ever any one does do not try send off for the export form as the put the car done as been exported from uk /ni so no hope in getting a replacement v5 mistake I made.if haven of done that if you know anyone in Uk or north get a v62 form and 25 pound post order and send it to the address you have in new name and get them to send it to you when arrives they can send in the slip on the side to dvla to say car was exported and you have the full v5 to vrt it. Now we’re I’m stuck cause iv notified dvla and the car is down as exported from uk so would need to be registered over there again witch wouldn’t be hard if you lived there.can anyone help with ideas even for someone up the north to buy the car or a deal off something.madness illegal to charge vrt but they can’t do anything for me when wanting to pay

The Red Ace · 11-07-2019 10:39pm

As regards sending the cert to the An Post depot in London i have had stuff delivered to me where the sender had omitted the AP23C number but the parcel still arrived so to me it looks like they have you on file in the depot. Leaving the post office number out might make it less noticeable to the DVLA

Dexterd · 02-08-2019 1:09pm

hi, i am in the same situation with a car, bought from auction and didnt realise there was no v5, whats best way around this?

rugbyman · 02-08-2019 8:42pm

I applied for a v5 from a northern address. got it in under six weeks

Dexterd · 02-08-2019 9:22pm

rugbyman wrote: »

I applied for a v5 from a northern address. got it in under six weeks

Thank you very much, I will do the same thing

jlow1 · 28-08-2019 2:03pm

@pawelba did you get this sorted in the end?
Can PM me if you want.

Lemonheadlenny · 20-09-2019 2:22pm

Batman1irish wrote: »

What ever any one does do not try send off for the export form as the put the car done as been exported from uk /ni so no hope in getting a replacement v5 mistake I made.if haven of done that if you know anyone in Uk or north get a v62 form and 25 pound post order and send it to the address you have in new name and get them to send it to you when arrives they can send in the slip on the side to dvla to say car was exported and you have the full v5 to vrt it. Now we’re I’m stuck cause iv notified dvla and the car is down as exported from uk so would need to be registered over there again witch wouldn’t be hard if you lived there.can anyone help with ideas even for someone up the north to buy the car or a deal off something.madness illegal to charge vrt but they can’t do anything for me when wanting to pay

Any chance I could call you about this? Garage I bought from in Scotland reported car exported and the V5C has now been lost (although I have scanned copy- useless apparently!)

Does this mean that I cannot use the V62 to get a new V5C? I have a sister living in Edinburgh...

at my wits' end.....

Help from anyone else greatly appreciated...

Bought a car on auction in UK without v5

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