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I'm useful for something A. Occasionally.Your handy to have around Wibbs! Nailed it.
I can put up shelves too. Though I use screws in that case.
*aside* I like Afghanis, certainly the ones I've met. Sound, family orientated, go out of their way to help if they can. Grafters too.
But yeah this tired old argument always trotted out in this debate about Irish emigres is, well... tired, and just another lazy third hand quip for a complex question and one to make the bearer of it feel better about him or herself. It has near eff all to do with the current crisis that Ireland and wider Europe is facing.
But sure, let's stumble along repeating the same mistakes of every single other European country that has decades of this guff under their collective belts and fast forward twenty years and we'll be having the same furrowed brows and breast beating debates about the "race" and "diversity" problems we imported, just like every single other European country that did the same. Armed Gardai on the street, bollards and restrictions, the second and third generation non "native" Irish who quite understandably and rightfully feel hard done by and out of the loop. AKA the bloody usual in this busted flush bollocks that is "multiculturalism". Hell, only last week, we have had the Guards run anti terrorist exercises in an Irish university. And if and going on elsewhere, when it kicks off for real, will we wonder why? Naw. The genie is already outa the lamp and it wasn't the majority of us who were rubbing the lamp.
I mean it's not as if there aren't lessons to be learned from other nations in plain effing sight over many decades and currently, but apparently we'll ignore that in favour of platitudes and misplaced emotionals. You couldn't make this shite up.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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I'm useful for something A. Occasionally. I can put up shelves too. Though I use screws in that case.
*aside* I like Afghanis, certainly the ones I've met. Sound, family orientated, go out of their way to help if they can. Grafters too.
But yeah this tired old argument always trotted out in this debate about Irish emigres is, well... tired, and just another lazy third hand quip for a complex question and one to make the bearer of it feel better about him or herself. It has near eff all to do with the current crisis that Ireland and wider Europe is facing.
But sure, let's stumble along repeating the same mistakes of every single other European country that has decades of this guff under their collective belts and fast forward twenty years and we'll be having the same furrowed brows and breast beating debates about the "race" and "diversity" problems we imported, just like every single other European country that did the same. Armed Gardai on the street, bollards and restrictions, the second and third generation non "native" Irish who quite understandably and rightfully feel hard done by and out of the loop. AKA the bloody usual in this busted flush bollocks that is "multiculturalism". Hell, only last week, we have had the Guards run anti terrorist exercises in an Irish university. And if and going on elsewhere, when it kicks off for real, will we wonder why? Naw. The genie is already outa the lamp and it wasn't the majority of us who were rubbing the lamp.
I mean it's not as if there aren't lessons to be learned from other nations in plain effing sight over many decades and currently, but apparently we'll ignore that in favour of platitudes and misplaced emotionals. You couldn't make this shite up.
The comparisons of Ireland and America have always annoyed me as the two countries are nothing alike, in many, many ways, but probably most important in this case, is size.
I've always said that small numbers of immigrants can be integrated, while large numbers tend to lead to ghettoization. Ghettos are bad for everyone. For refugees, their last state is often worse than their first (as they now find themselves in a country with high costs of living, while being isolated from the aspects which give that country a nominal high development index). For the country it is of no benefit, because you end up with multiple generations of people who become isolated from the country they are in, able to contribute little to the economy, tend to have high rates of crime, and are ultimately quite dissatisfied.
Already with the situation with direct provision we see a system that is struggling to cope. Is this down to poor public management? Perhaps. But regardless of the cause, the outcome is clear to see. We do not have the current capacity to process large numbers of people from a bureaucratic point of view, nor do we have the material means to adequately provide for them.
A hotel is nothing more than emergency accommodation: indeed, many of our homeless are housed in hotels for this reason.
I struggle to understand how the government intends to provide for people with vastly different cultures from Ireland, with little English, in very rural areas. This sort of social integration requires far more than hand waving from a County Councillor .
Seeing that we clearly have limited capacities (in many different respects) we should probably be quite choosy about who we grant asylum to. Afghans and Syrians would be among the most deserving, on the grounds they are coming from what are, for the moment, still active war zones, but these people will also require more care.
I also must admit that the shopping list aspect probably requires more scrutiny than most people are willing to give it. I find it difficult to square the idea of someone being a genuine refugee with having a certain standard of living below which they would not be willing to accept. By this I mean that most refugees would not accept, for instance Bulgaria, as a home, as it would not reach this minimum requirement. I find it really, really hard not to be deeply cynical about this.0 -
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without condoning a criminal act, it wasnt torched for nothing was it? all I can see in news articles are the sect of locals who are those want an asylum centre there. No one seems to want to listen to the others who have genuine concerns given the negative media coverage of what some immigrants have been getting up to in germany and france.
They are importing people with totally different moral, ethical and religious values and plonking them in a rural part of Ireland where the likelihood of them integrating is next to none (I don`t think Mohammad bakalari or Undoko Adefolake are going to be making a guest appearance for Moville GAA anytime soon). Pile that with the fact that work for a weak english speaker in those parts is also very unlikely so they will have to be relocated again once they are granted asylum. Then the likelihood of them working at all after that is probably next to nothing given the population of them that`s unemployed in the town I live in.
Its a whole big sh*tshow orchestrated by people who really don`t care about refugees or the real opinions of the local people who they are going to be plonked beside, as long as its as far away from south Dublin as possible all is good as far as they are concerned.
The only upside for Moville is that a post office is guaranteed for the next 25-30 years 0 -
Kimber Dirty Flick wrote: »without condoning a criminal act, it wasnt torched for nothing was it? all I can see in news articles are the sect of locals who are those want an asylum centre there. No one seems to want to listen to the others who have genuine concerns given the negative media coverage of what some immigrants have been getting up to in germany and france.
They are importing people with totally different moral, ethical and religious values and plonking them in a rural part of Ireland where the likelihood of them integrating is next to none (I don`t think Mohammad bakalari or Undoko Adefolake are going to be making a guest appearance for Moville GAA anytime soon). Pile that with the fact that work for a weak english speaker in those parts is also very unlikely so they will have to be relocated again once they are granted asylum. Then the likelihood of them working at all after that is probably next to nothing given the population of them that`s unemployed in the town I live in.
Its a whole big sh*tshow orchestrated by people who really don`t care about refugees or the real opinions of the local people who they are going to be plonked beside, as long as its as far away from south Dublin as possible all is good as far as they are concerned.
The only upside for Moville is that a post office is guaranteed for the next 25-30 years
You’d be surprised. I looked out my window during the Summer and seen 2 young lads of African decent with hurls knocking a sliotar to each other across the green.0 -
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