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The Flat 2020

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  • 23-05-2020 3:32pm
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    supremenovice
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    Now that we have some structure for the upcoming and late arriving Flat, I thought we should get the banter going around here for fancies and predictions for the 2020 season.
    We have to start with Pinatubo, who was top class last year and could sweep his way through the 1m races this year starting with the 2,000 Guineas on June 6th. I wasn't bowled over by Ballydoyles 2yo's last season and I can't see an Australia or Minding in there anywhere. Armory, Arizona and Lope y Fernandez were well held by Pinatubo but looked the best of the bunch. His Derby horses don't fill you with confidence either with Mogul and Innisfree both exposed by Kameko in the Futurity at the back end of last season. There could be another Ruler of the World hiding as an unraced 3yo and considering their obsession with the Derby I wouldn't rule them out yet. One I'll keep an eye on is Iberia. I backed him a couple times last season and saw him at the Curragh where he stayed on. I reckon he could be a good middle distance or Leger type.
    My folks live in the Summerhill Co Meath area and it would be great to see Sheila Lavery and Robbie Colgan have a good season and maybe find another Group horse after the fatal injury to Lady Kaya last season.


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    I says
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    While I appreciate a good horse as well as the next man, I doubt I’ll be able for the BS from the English press if pinatubo is the second coming of you know who I’m on about.
    Personally I’m just glad the racing is back on.


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    leko99
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    Im interested in Lope Y Fernandez for the derby can any of you experts give me any info regarding his breeding in stepping up in trip.

    Breeding: Lope De Vega (IRE) - Black Dahlia (Dansili)

    Im also interested in Year Of The Tiger and Royal Dornoch. Going to have a few antepost slips once racing is confirmed.


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    supremenovice
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    leko99 wrote: »
    Im interested in Lope Y Fernandez for the derby can any of you experts give me any info regarding his breeding in stepping up in trip.

    Breeding: Lope De Vega (IRE) - Black Dahlia (Dansili)

    Im also interested in Year Of The Tiger and Royal Dornoch. Going to have a few antepost slips once racing is confirmed.

    Lope de Vegas best progeny are milers. Black Dahlia's best form was also over a mile. I cant see him even running in the Derby, never mind in contention.
    Year of the Tiger is probably your best of those, but all of O'Briens 2yos form are patchy which usually means they aren't good enough.


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    leko99
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    supremenovice wrote: »
    Lope de Vegas best progeny are milers. Black Dahlia's best form was also over a mile. I cant see him even running in the Derby, never mind in contention.
    Year of the Tiger is probably your best of those, but all of O'Briens 2yos form are patchy which usually means they aren't good enough.

    Thanks.

    Who do you like for the derby at decent prices


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    Dayjur
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    Have serious doubts about pinatubo staying a mile


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    supremenovice
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    leko99 wrote: »
    Thanks.

    Who do you like for the derby at decent prices

    I liked Iberia (A P O'Brien) last year and hope he progresses into a good middle distance type. Not sure if he's good enough to win it though. I just cant have any colt by Lope de Vega at 1m4f and there are quite a few up the top of the market for the Derby.


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    Slattsy
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    I have serious doubts of Pinatubo training on. But if he has, he'll stay a mile no bother.


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    madmoose
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    Slattsy wrote: »
    I have serious doubts of Pinatubo training on. But if he has, he'll stay a mile no bother.

    Thoughts on Arizona getting a mile? Can’t see it myself think he will be more a Commonwealth horse come Ascot.

    I watched the dewhurst again and Pinatubo goes on towards the finish with Arizona slowing up and that was 7f

    I will go for Pinatubo to win with Military March second and the latter being a main player in the Derby but his price shows that already but his main target.


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    The Tetrarch
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    I always like a 2yo unbeaten superstar starting its 3yo season.
    Pinatubo has to get 8f in a fast race.
    The ground should be fast after the very dry weather.
    Every horse should be fit. They had plenty of time.
    There are no excuses that it was a cold spring, or the ground too heavy.
    By the time the 2000 Guineas takes place the time gap from previous form is greater than usual.


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    longshotvalue
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    Dayjur wrote: »
    Have serious doubts about pinatubo staying a mile


    Pinatubo might be really disadvantaged by the delay. I think the other horses will get much closer to him. Its happened loads of times before a spectacular 2yo just doesn't improve (He may not need to)


    That said if Irish horses cant travel to the uk, he'll clean up.


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    carq
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    As someone who has no interest in flat racing, it looks like i have no choice but to get into it to get my horse racing fix.

    Any handy A-Z to get up to speed.
    Who are the main players?
    any good horse matchups to watch out for?
    What are the biggest meetings over the summer?
    General Betting advise - draws etc?


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    madmoose
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    AOB’s plans

    Coronation Cup - AVD, Broome & Sir Dragonet

    2000 - Arizona & Wichita
    1000 - Love, Peaceful , Just Wonderful

    Irish 2000 - Armory & Vatican City (smashed in betting of late, poster on here mentioned he won a trial behind closed doors)

    Prince of Wales - Japan

    Ascot GC - Kew Gardens straight there

    Jersey Stakes - Monarch of Egypt

    Derby Trials - Mogul, Amhran na bhfiann, Arthur’s Kingdom, Mythical & Nobel Prize


    Anybody know much on those last 4 in the derby trials as they are all around 40/1 plus, Mogul is 10/1


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    supremenovice
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    Good to see he's kept a lot of older horses for this year. I'm not convinced about his 3yos though but the Derby does seem wide open if Pinatubo is just a miler.


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    The Tetrarch
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    Charles Briere, Fairway Consignment, pinhooked Arizona as a foal for 65,000 guineas, and sold him as a yearling to Coolmore for Euro 260,000.
    My mare and foal (she is visiting a stallion) are boarding in Normandy with Charles Briere, Fairway Consignment.
    Bonne chance, Charles, in the 2000 Guineas.


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    longshotvalue
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    Just see one of my main hopes from last year to get close at a price is possibly running in the uk 2000. Royal Lytham, and has won at the course. Last run was very eye catching. Cant be thinking about backing it until the day


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    PooPooPooPoo
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    I am happy to keep the faith in Pinatubo. If he gets near the front 1f-2f home, he wins as he likes.


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    tryfix
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    Things are going to be back to front with regards to how O'Brien deals with the Epsom and Irish Derbies. Normally he sets sail for Epsom with a truckload of potential Derby winners, by the time that the Irish Derby comes around the pecking order of the top 12f horses is reasonably clear.

    This year the Curragh Derby is only a week before the Epsom Derby which reduces the likely probability of many horses taking in both races . All this makes backing any O'Brien horse ante-post for either Derby a very risky prospect.


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    Roll on the 2,000 Guineas... Come on Mums Tipple
    Done him Antepost. Got caught up in the hype with his wide margin win.
    Have no online a/c's so could be my only bet for a month :(
    Apparently Threat not going so hopeful of at least lining up :pac:


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    The Tetrarch
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    Dream And Do, 7/1 in tomorrow's Poule d'Essai des Pouliches at Deauville, was foaled at the stud in Co Tipperary where my mare and foal board.


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    Banner fights back
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    The Tetrarch wrote: »
    Dream And Do, 7/1 in tomorrow's Poule d'Essai des Pouliches at Deauville, was foaled at the stud in Co Tipperary where my mare and foal board.

    Brilliant game performance from Dream and Do!


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    mick malones mauser
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    Thanks for Dream and Do
    Game filly


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    The Tetrarch
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    The Tetrarch
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    Dream And Do number 7, near side, from the race video.
    (no idea why the double image)


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