US Open 2019

mzungu · 07-09-2019 10:47pm

Big test for Andreescu now.

walshb · 07-09-2019 10:48pm

Any deliberate shout outs?

forumdedum · 07-09-2019 10:48pm

mzungu wrote: »

Big test for Andreescu now.

I'm not even watching it and I know she has bottled it now.

(I stopped watching Tennis)

MisterAnarchy · 07-09-2019 10:52pm

This is more like it from Serena .
Waited until she was 5-1 down to start playing.

mzungu · 07-09-2019 10:52pm

5-5. Andreescu needs to hold serve here or she will surely loose the set. At that stage you could not see anything other than het getting a bad hammering in the third set.

MisterAnarchy · 07-09-2019 10:54pm

walshb wrote: »

Serena has to go down as one of the flakiest and most inconsistent tennis greats..

Well no ,up until 2015 she had lost 4 finals out of 25 and 2 of those were against her sister.
The only other players to beat her in a Grand Slam final ,Sharapova and Stosur.

Its since 2016 ,when she was aged 33 that the wheels have come off.
She has lost 5 out of 7 finals , 4 in straight sets .
2 to Kerber, one to Osaka ,one to Halep and one to Muguruza.

mzungu · 07-09-2019 10:58pm

To be fair to Williams, to still be coasting into GS finals at 38 is a great achievement in itself.

mzungu · 07-09-2019 10:58pm

Two match points for Andreescu.

mzungu · 07-09-2019 10:59pm

Andreescu wins.

mzungu · 07-09-2019 11:00pm

I was full sure she was going to falter in a big way after surrendering that 5-1 lead. But fair play to her, she kept going.

forumdedum · 07-09-2019 11:00pm

mzungu wrote: »

Andreescu wins.

I stand corrected. Well done. Hate bottlers in sport.

alchemist33 · 07-09-2019 11:01pm

No excuses this year

TheRiverman · 07-09-2019 11:01pm

6-3,7-5.Andresscu wins.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-09-2019 11:01pm

It was a sort of fight back, and then it ended poorly. She seemed to go for aces with every serve, first and second. Must have been tired and broken.

Cork Boy 53 · 07-09-2019 11:02pm

So Williams loses another Grand Slam final, in straight sets also. You would have to wonder if she will ever win another one or indeed how much longer she will continue playing. The clock is ticking.

TheRiverman · 07-09-2019 11:03pm

Serena should retire,she is 38 years old and has had a wonderful career.

MisterAnarchy · 07-09-2019 11:05pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

So Williams lose another Grand Slam final in straight sets also. You would have to wonder if she will ever win another one or indeed how much longer she will continue playing. T

Its not only that she has lost 6 out of 8 finals its the players that she has lost to and the manner in which she has lost.
Kerber is the only one I'd rate ,the rest ,Osaka,Muguruza,Halep and now Andresscu ,Williams would destroy them in her prime .

Its time to call it a day when you are losing to players that you know youd flog if you were a few years younger.

BorneTobyWilde · 07-09-2019 11:08pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Serena should retire,she is 38 years old and has had a wonderful career.

It pays 2m just to get to a Slam final, and she does that with ease, winning it is the problem.
But it's a great way to hog the finals, and win some money.

yerwanthere123 · 07-09-2019 11:09pm

walshb wrote: »

Serena has to go down as one of the flakiest and most inconsistent tennis greats..

Um, no. Her grand slam record final record has always been terrific. Only post pregnancy, and in her late 30's, did she start to falter.

Anyway, happy to see her lose, but I think after this I'm done punishing her, I'm ready for her to start winning again next year. I do want her to beat Court's 'record'.

mzungu · 07-09-2019 11:12pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its not only that she has lost 6 out of 8 finals its the players that she has lost to and the manner in which she has lost.
Kerber is the only one I'd rate ,the rest ,Osaka,Muguruza,Halep and now Andresscu ,Williams would destroy them in her prime .

Its time to call it a day when you are losing to players that you know youd flog if you were a few years younger.

I would disagree. It would be time to call it a day when you get beaten by a qualifier in the 2nd round. But when you can still get to the final of a GS without breaking sweat, then it makes sense to hang in there and keep persevering. There will be other chances, possibly quite a lot of them over the next few seasons.

Cork Boy 53 · 07-09-2019 11:13pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

Serena should retire,she is 38 years old and has had a wonderful career.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Its not only that she has lost 6 out of 8 finals its the players that she has lost to and the manner in which she has lost.
Kerber is the only one I'd rate ,the rest ,Osaka,Muguruza,Halep and now Andresscu ,Williams would destroy them in her prime .

Its time to call it a day when you are losing to players that you know youd flog if you were a few years younger.

I think if she had won this match she would retire this year. The fact that she is still just short of the all time record might motivate her to continue for another year or two. A case of wait and see.

walshb · 07-09-2019 11:17pm

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Um, no. Her grand slam record final record has always been terrific, only post pregnancy, and in her late 30's, did she start to falter.

Anyway, happy to see her lose, but I think after this I'm done punishing her, I'm ready for her to start winning again next year. I do want her to beat Court's 'record'.

She is getting to the finals...then plays like she’s a novice..

That’s more a flake than any other reason..

MisterAnarchy · 07-09-2019 11:19pm

mzungu wrote: »

I would disagree. It would be time to call it a day when you get beaten to a qualifier in the 2nd round. But when you can still get to the final of a GS without breaking sweat, then it makes sense to hang in there and keep persevering. There will be other chances, possibly quite a lot of other chances over the next few seasons.

I suppose you are right .
Normally a player retires when the physical demands are too much on an ageing body but in Williams case its the mental side that has let her down.

I dont think its a physical thing ,well not today anyway (it was at Wimbledon) ,its simply nerves.

44% of first serves in
30% of points won on second serve
33 unforced errors

They are club player stats .

RobertKK · 07-09-2019 11:29pm

Delighted for Bianca Andreescu, two finals in a row that Serena loses to a Romanian, even if Bianca is Canadian.

[Deleted User] · 07-09-2019 11:44pm

wasn't even in the top 100 at the start of the year....

mzungu · 07-09-2019 11:45pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I suppose you are right .
Normally a player retires when the physical demands are too much on an ageing body but in Williams case its the mental side that has let her down.

I dont think its a physical thing ,well not today anyway (it was at Wimbledon) ,its simply nerves.

44% of first serves in
30% of points won on second serve
33 unforced errors

They are club player stats .

Those stats pretty bad alright.

How does she go about fixing the psychological side of her game? I presume she would have a sports psychotherapist on her staff. Maybe she needs to start mixing in more tournaments throughout the year and get back to winning those before she takes that step further and wins another slam.

yerwanthere123 · 07-09-2019 11:45pm

RobertKK wrote: »

Delighted for Bianca Andreescu, two finals in a row that Serena loses to a Romanian, even if Bianca is Canadian.

So she's lost her last two finals to a Romanian and a Canadian then :P

RobertKK · 08-09-2019 12:56am

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

So she's lost her last two finals to a Romanian and a Canadian then :P

lol Serena and the curse of opponents with Romanian genetics :P

Rjd2 · 08-09-2019 2:38am

mzungu wrote: »

Those stats pretty bad alright.

How does she go about fixing the psychological side of her game? I presume she would have a sports psychotherapist on her staff. Maybe she needs to start mixing in more tournaments throughout the year and get back to winning those before she takes that step further and wins another slam.

Play more events. She needs to get in the habit of lifting trophies again.

The good news for her is the tour is still soft and she is getting to grand slam finals so she obviously can still play. She gave Svitolina a beating the other night an elite player so talk of her been ****e is silly.

She still has a respectable chance of winning any of three slams next year,,,just a case of hoe she approaches them and her body holding up.

Also she will be hoping that none of the girls discover consistency,,,Osaka, Halep, Kerber all have won Slams over last few years and then gone on horror runs. Lets see if Andreescu can change that.

Chivito550 · 08-09-2019 6:35am

Rjd2 wrote: »

Play more events. She needs to get in the habit of lifting trophies again.

The good news for her is the tour is still soft and she is getting to grand slam finals so she obviously can still play. She gave Svitolina a beating the other night an elite player so talk of her been ****e is silly.

She still has a respectable chance of winning any of three slams next year,,,just a case of hoe she approaches them and her body holding up.

Also she will be hoping that none of the girls discover consistency,,,Osaka, Halep, Kerber all have won Slams over last few years and then gone on horror runs. Lets see if Andreescu can change that.

Osaka backed it up to be fair, before beginning her slump.

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