Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

wirelessdude01 · 29-05-2020 8:23am

statto25 wrote: »

Maybe I'm out of touch but surprised to see Conor Mortimer not in there. He shot the lights out for consecutive years in the 2000s and was an excellent forward.

Even as a youngster I couldn't see what people saw in him. He wouldn't win a ball in a contest with a wet paper bag.

seligehgit · 29-05-2020 8:32am

Yet another list.

Top 20 footballers in Connacht

1. Padraig Joyce
2. Dermot Earley
3. Lee Keegan
4. Ja Fallon
5. Mickey Kearns
6. Michael Donnellan
7. Tony McManus
8. Harry Keegan
9. Liam McHale
10. Keith Higgins
11. Kevin Walsh
12. James Nallen
13. Sean Og dePaor
14. Andy Moran
15. Ciaran McDonald
16. Eamon O Hora
17. Michael Meehan
18. Mickey Quinn
19. Pat Lindsey
20. Johnny Hughes

statto25 · 29-05-2020 8:47am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Even as a youngster I couldn't see what people saw in him. He wouldn't win a ball in a contest with a wet paper bag.

He was a natural forward though, something we know is hard to come by in Mayo. Tackling wasn't his strong point but neither was Colm Coopers.

muddle84 · 29-05-2020 9:37am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Even as a youngster I couldn't see what people saw in him. He wouldn't win a ball in a contest with a wet paper bag.

He was a good scorer, but i always thought the ball had to be handed to him. I wouldn't mention him in the same sentence as gooch, I always thought gooch could win his own ball.

Not to mention the fact he f*?ked off when the county needed him most.

blinding · 29-05-2020 9:53am

muddle84 wrote: »

He was a good scorer, but i always thought the ball had to be handed to him. I wouldn't mention him in the same sentence as gooch, I always thought gooch could win his own ball.

Not to mention the fact he f*?ked off when the county needed him most.

Hit and miss !

Audioslaven · 29-05-2020 11:31am

blinding wrote: »

Kevin O’Neill had a bad knee injury which he never came back as good as he was (physically fit wise )

What a Player in his Hayday ! ! !

Ya i heard about the injury but I do think managers just didn't go for him. He was two years ahead of me in Jarlath's when he came in as a fifth year student. He was over age so he couldn't play for them. He went out on alot of days on his own to belt balls over the ball. He was just so talented and its a real pity it never got realized to its full potential. I would have put him in the McDonald bracket but it never worked out.

Audioslaven · 29-05-2020 11:39am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Even as a youngster I couldn't see what people saw in him. He wouldn't win a ball in a contest with a wet paper bag.

That is so true. He could not catch a ball above his head but he was very accurate. It always came home in finals where he was marked out of it. He was decent but he would be nowhere near the top 10. Kenneth and Trevor were far superior footballers maybe didn't have the same skill level as him, but their attitude and strength made them better footballers from a team's perspective.

Bunny Colvin · 29-05-2020 11:40am

Audioslaven wrote: »

Ya i heard about the injury but I do think managers just didn't go for him. He was two years ahead of me in Jarlath's when he came in as a fifth year student. He was over age so he couldn't play for them. He went out on alot of days on his own to belt balls over the ball. He was just so talented and its a real pity it never got realized to its full potential. I would have put him in the McDonald bracket but it never worked out.

I remember one of my first days being inside Croke Park was watching us get mauled off Cork in an All Ireland Semi-Final, think it was '93. O' Néill got an All Star for his performance despite us being destroyed.

He had a renaissance then thirteen years later being involved in the '06 run to the final. Just a pity he wasn't involved more in his prime.

km79 · 29-05-2020 11:44am

Audioslaven wrote: »

That is so true. He could not catch a ball above his head but he was very accurate. It always came home in finals where he was marked out of it. He was decent but he would be nowhere near the top 10. Kenneth and Trevor were far superior footballers maybe didn't have the same skill level as him, but their attitude and strength made them better footballers from a team's perspective.

I would agree and disagree
Kenneth was a very skillful footballer
A different skill set but still skillful. Don’t forget he played centre forward when he captained us to beat Galway in Tuam in 99!
I would have Kenneth as the best of the 3. A blend of Conors skill and Trevor’s work rate and aggression .
I couldn’t believe it when I seen Harrison picked ahead of him on the Blogs team .........

White lighting · 29-05-2020 11:45am

Audioslaven wrote: »

That is so true. He could not catch a ball above his head but he was very accurate. It always came home in finals where he was marked out of it. He was decent but he would be nowhere near the top 10. Kenneth and Trevor were far superior footballers maybe didn't have the same skill level as him, but their attitude and strength made them better footballers from a team's perspective.

As an outsider i think hes been Mayo's best foward with Andy Moran the last 15-20 years. Offered way more from play than the likes of Cillian who to be fair is a great ball winner but is as stiff as a plank and largely ineffective outside his free taking.

km79 · 29-05-2020 11:47am

I have tbh on something else too
I have seen Tom Parsons in some of these lists
I think that’s rose tinted glasses due to his positivity in recovery
He had a couple of really good seasons?
There are at least 5/6 midfielders ahead of him. Seamie o Shea for example doesn’t seem to get any credit. Hugely important player for us . And actually complemented Parsons quite well without getting the same plaudits due to his steadier style

Maybe I’m being harsh ?

BandMember · 29-05-2020 12:23pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Actual top 10:
Keegan, McHale, Higgins, Nallen, Moran, MacDonald, Boyle, Clarke, Padden, O'Shea

I'd have TJ Kilgallon and Kevin Cahill on that list ahead of Padden and McHale. No contest.

Not just that list, but a lot of players are vastly overrated based on one incident or game which made their name, but when you look at their career in total, was actually not great at all. It's like that old saying about how it's harder to get off the team than it is to get on it....

PARlance · 29-05-2020 1:12pm

km79 wrote: »

I have tbh on something else too
I have seen Tom Parsons in some of these lists
I think that’s rose tinted glasses due to his positivity in recovery
He had a couple of really good seasons?
There are at least 5/6 midfielders ahead of him. Seamie o Shea for example doesn’t seem to get any credit. Hugely important player for us . And actually complemented Parsons quite well without getting the same plaudits due to his steadier style

Maybe I’m being harsh ?

A good point, some fans see the positives in some players and focus on the negatives in others, for whatever reasons. Often not intentional and most of the time subconsciously.

Probably down to our expectations of that player and a whole host of other things. It's also hard to be balanced and not pay attention to highlights/lowlights as well.

The one thing I'll say about Tom is that, under Buckley, I think he was the best Mayo midfielder in the tackle I've seen and at his peak, and was up there with anyone in the country in that regard.

RedDevil55 · 29-05-2020 4:11pm

km79 wrote: »

I have tbh on something else too
I have seen Tom Parsons in some of these lists
I think that’s rose tinted glasses due to his positivity in recovery
He had a couple of really good seasons?
There are at least 5/6 midfielders ahead of him. Seamie o Shea for example doesn’t seem to get any credit. Hugely important player for us . And actually complemented Parsons quite well without getting the same plaudits due to his steadier style

Maybe I’m being harsh ?

I've always thought that about Seamie O'Shea too. Was a crucial player in many of our big championship games over the last decade. Even last summer he gave us a huge boost after returning from injury to play in the Kerry, Meath, Donegal and Dublin games.

Tom Parsons was very good 2015 - 2017 but didn't have the longevity of others.

muddle84 · 29-05-2020 4:17pm

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I've always thought that about Seamie O'Shea too. Was a crucial player in many of our big championship games over the last decade. Even last summer he gave us a huge boost after returning from injury to play in the Kerry, Meath, Donegal and Dublin games.

Tom Parsons was very good 2015 - 2017 but didn't have the longevity of others.

I have to agree on Tom Parsons, he seemed to find his place in the team in 2015 and had two absolutely fantastic years in 2016 an 2017. There was nothing to say his form wouldn't have continued but 2 outstanding years doesn't put him in the top 10!

RedDevil55 · 29-05-2020 4:17pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Actual top 10:
Keegan, McHale, Higgins, Nallen, Moran, MacDonald, Boyle, Clarke, Padden, O'Shea

Granted I'm too young to remember Padden and even McHale, but Aidan O'Shea should be a good bit higher on that. I also couldn't believe Cillian O'Connor was only 15th. Without him, we wouldn't have got very far at all the last 10 years.

Audioslaven · 29-05-2020 8:30pm

RedDevil55 wrote: »

I've always thought that about Seamie O'Shea too. Was a crucial player in many of our big championship games over the last decade. Even last summer he gave us a huge boost after returning from injury to play in the Kerry, Meath, Donegal and Dublin games.

Tom Parsons was very good 2015 - 2017 but didn't have the longevity of others.

Tom Parson did a bit of an Kevin O'Neill on it as well but came back with a bang and had a few great season. I really though he was going to rule it when he came in so young and worked so well. It went downhill for a few years.

It's funny how some guys work and some don't. The lucky ones get a second bite and tend to make the most of it. Andy only started to get good when he hit around 25/26. Other guys like Gill from westport, pat harte looked so promising but never really stepped up. Sometimes I think it is all about belief in their own ability and maybe just lack the bit of confidence to drive it on.

charlie14 · 30-05-2020 1:26am

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Granted I'm too young to remember Padden and even McHale, but Aidan O'Shea should be a good bit higher on that. I also couldn't believe Cillian O'Connor was only 15th. Without him, we wouldn't have got very far at all the last 10 years.

It`s a shame you never got to see Willie Joe play People nowadays talk about high fielders that can catch a ball over their heads when fielding, Willie Joe could do that and more. When you thought it was gone, he could field it behind his head. I`m from Donegal, but any conversation I have had with GAA people in my own county or any other, when it comes to the great fielders, anybody who ever saw the man play has him up there with the greats.
He was always a player that, to use that old expression, wintered well, and from knowing people that played with him at county, not a lover of dark nights training, but come long evenings and dry pitches Willie Joe was in in his element.
There may have been other faults to his game, but when it came to the primary objective, at least in those days of fielding a high ball in a crowded midfield, Willie Joe Padden was a master of the art. And will long be remembered as so by those that were lucky enough to have seen him play

Audioslaven · 30-05-2020 9:51am

charlie14 wrote: »

It`s a shame you never got to see Willie Joe play People nowadays talk about high fielders that can catch a ball over their heads when fielding, Willie Joe could do that and more. When you thought it was gone, he could field it behind his head. I`m from Donegal, but any conversation I have had with GAA people in my own county or any other, when it comes to the great fielders, anybody who ever saw the man play has him up there with the greats.
He was always a player that, to use that old expression, wintered well, and from knowing people that played with him at county, not a lover of dark nights training, but come long evenings and dry pitches Willie Joe was in in his element.
There may have been other faults to his game, but when it came to the primary objective, at least in those days of fielding a high ball in a crowded midfield, Willie Joe Padden was a master of the art. And will long be remembered as so by those that were lucky enough to have seen him play

There is a famous Mayo supporter around Ballinrobe who used to say "Willie Joe would jump so high he would pull a crow from the sky". He really had some bounce

blinding · 30-05-2020 1:36pm

charlie14 wrote: »

It`s a shame you never got to see Willie Joe play People nowadays talk about high fielders that can catch a ball over their heads when fielding, Willie Joe could do that and more. When you thought it was gone, he could field it behind his head. I`m from Donegal, but any conversation I have had with GAA people in my own county or any other, when it comes to the great fielders, anybody who ever saw the man play has him up there with the greats.
He was always a player that, to use that old expression, wintered well, and from knowing people that played with him at county, not a lover of dark nights training, but come long evenings and dry pitches Willie Joe was in in his element.
There may have been other faults to his game, but when it came to the primary objective, at least in those days of fielding a high ball in a crowded midfield, Willie Joe Padden was a master of the art. And will long be remembered as so by those that were lucky enough to have seen him play

Twas a great sight to See. Against bigger men. The Mark would have been great for him and Mayo at that time. They played Kerry in a semi-final once and Kerry just send out Seanie Walsh ( a damn fine player in his own right )in the Second Half just to Break the Ball. Willie Joe was only a young fella then.

He must be up there with the Best High Fielders of All Time !

charlie14 · 30-05-2020 1:56pm

blinding wrote: »

Twas a great sight to See. Against bigger men. The Mark would have been great for him and Mayo at that time. They played Kerry in a semi-final once and Kerry just send out Seanie Walsh ( a damn fine player in his own right )in the Second Half just to Break the Ball. Willie Joe was only a young fella then.

He must be up there with the Best High Fielders of All Time !

He definitely is. He might not rank as high for training on winter nights though.
Story I heard years ago. One dark night at county training with only half the pitch lit up, Willie Joe went to retrieve a ball that had just trickled off into the dark half of the pitch. A search party was being organised just as he re-appeared into the light.

Come the day when he was needed though, fitness was never a problem.What Willie Joe had could never be taught.

seligehgit · 05-06-2020 8:32pm

So it's looking like we'll have a club and inter county championship after all.:)

Club games will kick off from Friday 31st July 2020.

County training resumes on the 14th September 2020 with the inter county schedule to commence no earlier than the 17th October 2020.

Not a lot of time to run it all off with far less favourable weather conditions than would be norm even taking account of the unpredictability of Irish weather.

naughto · 05-06-2020 8:39pm

Hope it's just the championship they play and forget about the league

seligehgit · 05-06-2020 8:59pm

naughto wrote: »

Hope it's just the championship they play and forget about the league

I'm hopeful there's zero chance they'll complete the league.

Fingers crossed.

WesternZulu · 07-06-2020 10:32am

The GAA have put up the full Mayo Roscommon 2001 Connacht final on YouTube for anyone wants to wallow in sadness. Hard to believe we'd get to an All-Ireland 3 years later.

What's obvious watching is how much the game has changed even since then. A lot of hit and hope boots up the field were still going on in the early 2000's.

km79 · 11-06-2020 12:07pm

http://twitter.com/radiomidwest/status/1271024363173789696

Uh oh!

Fr Tod Umptious · 11-06-2020 12:07pm

Say it ain't so.

charlie14 · 11-06-2020 12:29pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Say it ain't so.

Amen to that.

km79 · 11-06-2020 12:40pm

I think a lot of counties would probably be in favour of playing round 6 games as a "warm up" for championship. However, squashing relegation/promotion round 7 games into the middle of the championship in the middle of winter is just daft. And that is on the back of a very hectic club league and championship schedule

irishgeo · 11-06-2020 1:14pm

km79 wrote: »

http://twitter.com/radiomidwest/status/1271024363173789696

Uh oh!

We are done for anyway i think. regardless of when its played.

muddle84 · 12-06-2020 2:06pm

I really don't want to play those games but if we were in with a chance of winning it again I'd be mad for us to play them so fair is fair i guess! There is a first time for everything but these lads always manage to scrape something together to hang on in the league so bring it on!!

In other news, Ah Ref is reporting that Donie Buckley is going working with Claregalway.

irishgeo · 12-06-2020 11:46pm

muddle84 wrote: »

I really don't want to play those games but if we were in with a chance of winning it again I'd be mad for us to play them so fair is fair i guess! There is a first time for everything but these lads always manage to scrape something together to hang on in the league so bring it on!!

In other news, Ah Ref is reporting that Donie Buckley is going working with Claregalway.

That will cost a fair euros. I wonder where the money is coming from.

Carol25 · 17-06-2020 5:47pm

Mayo v Dublin Alliance league game from this year is on Eir Sport 2 now.

neiphin · 22-06-2020 11:24pm

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/06/21/mayo-to-face-major-test-on-inter-county-gaa-return/

seligehgit · 23-06-2020 11:45pm

Latest Mayo News Podcast.

John Maughan special.

https://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2020-06-23T11_49_00-07_00.mp3

Green&Red · 25-06-2020 9:16am

League called off. Right decision IMO, didn’t see the point of flogging lads.

Anyone hear anything about the women’s county board?
Allegedly the Connacht council have stepped in to take over the running of it as there is €19k in unaccounted for cheques (note unaccounted not missing), 10 of the county board have stepped aside until that question is answered. The chairperson allegedly reported this to the guards in December, who have no record of the complaint but are now investigating it. This seems to be a tiny fraction of what is being circulated on email to club secretaries.

Why can we just not be normal?

seligehgit · 25-06-2020 1:29pm

Green&Red wrote: »

League called off. Right decision IMO, didn’t see the point of flogging lads.

Anyone hear anything about the women’s county board?
Allegedly the Connacht council have stepped in to take over the running of it as there is €19k in unaccounted for cheques (note unaccounted not missing), 10 of the county board have stepped aside until that question is answered. The chairperson allegedly reported this to the guards in December, who have no record of the complaint but are now investigating it. This seems to be a tiny fraction of what is being circulated on email to club secretaries.

Why can we just not be normal?

Have you a link to the league been called off?

RTE News website reporting it will be concluded and the championship will be a straight knock out ( No back door ).

TCDStudent1 · 25-06-2020 1:51pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Have you a link to the league been called off?

RTE News website reporting it will be concluded and the championship will be a straight knock out ( No back door ).

This is also what I have been hearing.

I can see the point of finishing the league in the sense that it provides 2 games to prepare for championship. They may as well do that instead of challenge matches.

boosabum · 25-06-2020 1:52pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Have you a link to the league been called off?

RTE News website reporting it will be concluded and the championship will be a straight knock out ( No back door ).

club leagues i think he is referring to

Green&Red · 25-06-2020 2:35pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Have you a link to the league been called off?

RTE News website reporting it will be concluded and the championship will be a straight knock out ( No back door ).

Sorry, county league

TCDStudent1 · 25-06-2020 3:23pm

boosabum wrote: »

club leagues i think he is referring to

I can see the logic of cancelling the club leagues. A lot had not started. Most of those that had started had only 1 match played.

wirelessdude01 · 25-06-2020 3:45pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Have you a link to the league been called off?

RTE News website reporting it will be concluded and the championship will be a straight knock out ( No back door ).

Assume he means that the local leagues are called off. That is true. Just championship.plus the Michael Walsh leagues after it.

irishgeo · 25-06-2020 6:36pm

Green&Red wrote: »

League called off. Right decision IMO, didn’t see the point of flogging lads.

Anyone hear anything about the women’s county board?
Allegedly the Connacht council have stepped in to take over the running of it as there is €19k in unaccounted for cheques (note unaccounted not missing), 10 of the county board have stepped aside until that question is answered. The chairperson allegedly reported this to the guards in December, who have no record of the complaint but are now investigating it. This seems to be a tiny fraction of what is being circulated on email to club secretaries.

Why can we just not be normal?

Perhaps he means the mayo clubs league.

spakman · 25-06-2020 10:13pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Have you a link to the league been called off?

RTE News website reporting it will be concluded and the championship will be a straight knock out ( No back door ).

I heard it was the club league that was scrapped, not the intercounty league, but I could have that wrong.

HBC08 · 25-06-2020 10:40pm

Unfortunately for us the league will be played out.This was always going to be the case as the can do it in a week.
The whole championship being played (possibly behind closed doors) and finishing Christmas week seems ridiculous to me.Who is asking for this? nobody wants it as far as i can see.
I thunk they should write off the championship and let players

naughto · 25-06-2020 10:41pm

HBC08 wrote: »

Unfortunately for us the league will be played out.This was always going to be the case as the can do it in a week.
The whole championship being played (possibly behind closed doors) and finishing Christmas week seems ridiculous to me.Who is asking for this? nobody wants it as far as i can see.
I thunk they should write off the championship and let players

Sky aig rte money talks even if no 1 at them

Hulk Hands · 26-06-2020 3:46am

HBC08 wrote: »

Unfortunately for us the league will be played out.This was always going to be the case as the can do it in a week.
The whole championship being played (possibly behind closed doors) and finishing Christmas week seems ridiculous to me.Who is asking for this? nobody wants it as far as i can see.
I thunk they should write off the championship and let players

Who's asking for it and who wants it? Are you living in your own little world or something?

https://www.the42.ie/gpa-5-5129447-Jun2020/#comments

The vast vast majority of players want to return and they've even indicated to the GPA they want to return to training earlier than the guidelines. They also want the December finish to have it done before Xmas.

The GAA clearly want it given how much extra effort is being put in to organise it in strange circumstances. They also want the December finish so it doesn't mess with next year's calender.

The TV companies want it. And given how much talk there's been, the general public obviously want it rather than have nothing. You can guarantee that the semis and Finals in both codes will sell out and they'll again be some of the most watched events of the year.

manofwisdom · 26-06-2020 5:50am

HBC08 wrote: »

Unfortunately for us the league will be played out.This was always going to be the case as the can do it in a week.
The whole championship being played (possibly behind closed doors) and finishing Christmas week seems ridiculous to me.Who is asking for this? nobody wants it as far as i can see.
I thunk they should write off the championship and let players

I don't see HQ allowing the championship to commence if the only option is to play games behind closed doors. Loads of games in Croke park (Mr Prenty is already looking to play Connacht games there) with 50% capacity looks more likely providing the virus remains as contained as it currently is.

PhoneMain · 26-06-2020 1:07pm

manofwisdom wrote: »

I don't see HQ allowing the championship to commence if the only option is to play games behind closed doors. Loads of games in Croke park (Mr Prenty is already looking to play Connacht games there) with 50% capacity looks more likely providing the virus remains as contained as it currently is.

Just wondering about this. I think there's a reasonable chance of second wave coming in the autumn/winter. So games may have to be played behind closed doors if they go ahead. How will the GAA/broadcasters manage this? Will they try show every game (how feasible is this?)? Will they leave it to 5 minute segments on the Sunday Game? I know Public Health takes priority but if they are having championship games, the smaller counties can't lose out to the bigger counties in terms of coverage. That wouldn't be fair at all.

TCDStudent1 · 26-06-2020 1:33pm

PhoneMain wrote: »

Just wondering about this. I think there's a reasonable chance of second wave coming in the autumn/winter. So games may have to be played behind closed doors if they go ahead. How will the GAA/broadcasters manage this? Will they try show every game (how feasible is this?)? Will they leave it to 5 minute segments on the Sunday Game? I know Public Health takes priority but if they are having championship games, the smaller counties can't lose out to the bigger counties in terms of coverage. That wouldn't be fair at all.

If there is a 2nd wave, I'd say we will see the cancellation of the GAA season.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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