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How long will Boris be Prime Minister of Great Britain?

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    #62
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,545 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    briany wrote: »
    It's worth asking whether many of those Labour heartland seats switched to Conservative because they like the policies of Boris and the Conservatives, or just because of frustration over Brexit and a distrust of Corbyn. It's entirely possible those heartland seats are there to be won back, but Labour will need to do some considerable soul searching to do it, and elect a leader who can once again inspire people in those areas.


    It was more due to the Labour voters simply not voting than Labour voters actually switching to the Conservatives, although there were definitely some of those. Corbyn's leadership/image and Brexit fatigue seem to have been the major factors behind the Labour collapse, and those will both be resolved before the next election.


    They are definitely there to be won back, but will Labour work out how to do it?


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    #63
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    It is true that the Tories borrowed votes from Labour due to the Brexit issue and these votes will be given back during Boris's first term. Nevertheless Johnson will survive into a second term as the Conservative majority is sufficiently large and Labour won't have got its act together fully by the time of the second election.

    He'll eventually be replaced because he's not really motivated by detail and day-to-day administration.


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    #64
    Midlife
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    theguzman wrote: »
    They areprimarily Rural white English constituencies where poverty and decades of under investment has led to some pretty serious economic disadvantages, I don't think they will ever return to Labour in Labour's current shape and form now anyway.

    Like Brexit, the Tory landslide is the rejection of political correctness, the EU and unrestricted mass unskilled immigration which has driven down wages, increased rents, seen enormous social and terror problems. The far-left and their holier than thou everyone else is a racist and wrong mantra is being flatly rejected worldwide as moderates abandon leftwing politics and swing to the far right and conservative alternatives.

    When you have a party who is more concerned for the minority than the majority you know you have a problem, Labour ran on a slogan of for the many not the few, but in reality it was the exact reverse, welfare recipients were to be prioritised, cripple the majority in taxes and borrow borrow borrow, Boris is the sort of bull in a china shop who isn't afraid to upset people and this resonates well, he tells it like it is. You can be against mass immigration and not be a racist, it is not homophobic to have reservations about the LGBT agenda etc. Screaming and yelling abuse at people with concerns won't win them over, it will harden their stance, something the Labour far-left Momentum movement doesn't seem to get.

    Your reasons for disliking Labour are not necessarily the reasons people didn't vote for them.

    A lot hope it's a backlash against stuff they don't like in politics but I think the truth is that Boris united the entire right under a clear message and offered to move on from 3 years of frustration whereas Jeremy was the worst Labour leader in modern times and couldn't even tell people what would happen next.

    I mean it would have even made sense for Labour Brexit voters to switch for this election.


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    #65
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Mod note:

    Discussion of the Labour party has it's own thread here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058038238


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    #66
    OldGoat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,633 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    sxt wrote: »
    Piers Morgan gifting Donald trump with a Winston Churchill hat yesterday was very fitting and symbolic.

    That is a Homburg hat that someone put a pinch into thinking it was a Fedora.
    Sartorial inelegance. Kinda sums up President Trumps inelegant and uncouth approach to the presidency.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



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    #67
    Good loser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Bit cynical wrote: »
    It is true that the Tories borrowed votes from Labour due to the Brexit issue and these votes will be given back during Boris's first term. Nevertheless Johnson will survive into a second term as the Conservative majority is sufficiently large and Labour won't have got its act together fully by the time of the second election.

    He'll eventually be replaced because he's not really motivated by detail and day-to-day administration.


    I get the feeling he's very lazy. Don't think that will suit the job he's in.


    Should be his downfall - but not for 3/4 years.


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    #68
    LoughNeagh2017
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭LoughNeagh2017


    Great Britain and the United Kingdom are not the same. I would have thought people as high IQ as the posters on this sort of forum would have been aware of a simple fact that a low IQ bum like me even knows. Calling the United Kingdom Great Britain is like calling Ireland Munster.


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    #69
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Kinda funny now looking at the results of the poll to see that over 50% thought that Boris will last less than a year. As it stands today it's looking like 10+.

    Incidentally, is Jo Swinson now the shortest ever serving Lib Dem leader? You know the wan who though she'd a good chance of being PM as a result of some big anti-brexit uprising. I really do think the spin that remainers put on the 'mood of the county' in an effort to overturn Brexit needs to exposed for that utter nonsense it was.


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    #70
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    Good loser wrote: »
    I get the feeling he's very lazy. Don't think that will suit the job he's in.


    Should be his downfall - but not for 3/4 years.
    I think the problem for Johnson is that most of the job has no glory attached. John Major in an interview said that for most decisions made, you don't see the end result. You just have to make the best decisions you can with the available information.


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    #71
    jm08
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    LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »
    Great Britain and the United Kingdom are not the same. I would have thought people as high IQ as the posters on this sort of forum would have been aware of a simple fact that a low IQ bum like me even knows. Calling the United Kingdom Great Britain is like calling Ireland Munster.


    Don't we have Team GB in the Olympics, not team UK?


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    #72
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    jm08 wrote: »
    Don't we have Team GB in the Olympics, not team UK?

    Yes, because athletes in NI are free to declare for Ireland


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    #73
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,291 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Good to see some camaraderie between journalists, fighting back against Trump-style picking and choosing of which publications/journo's can attend briefings.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/news-organisations-walk-out-no-21422084#source=push
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/feb/03/brexit-news-boris--johnson-speech-barnier-cabinet-ministers-claims-uk-does-not-need-trade-deal-with-eu-ahead-of-pms-speech-live-news?page=with:block-5e3832ac8f08e1332473c354#block-5e3832ac8f08e1332473c354


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    #74
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Good to see some camaraderie between journalists, fighting back against Trump-style picking and choosing of which publications/journo's can attend briefings.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/news-organisations-walk-out-no-21422084#source=push
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/feb/03/brexit-news-boris--johnson-speech-barnier-cabinet-ministers-claims-uk-does-not-need-trade-deal-with-eu-ahead-of-pms-speech-live-news?page=with:block-5e3832ac8f08e1332473c354#block-5e3832ac8f08e1332473c354

    With this type of news in mind can a Mod start a proper UK Government thread for all the non Brexit stuff.


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    #75
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    With this type of news in mind can a Mod start a proper UK Government thread for all the non Brexit stuff.

    Ta da!

    Also available are the Labour Leader Thread and Scottish Independence


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    #76
    SeeMoreBut
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    It is awful and shouldn't be allowed. Hopefully doesn't come here. Afraid of a few tough interviews and go for the easy ones


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    #77
    O'Neill
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭O'Neill


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51687287

    Pretty big story


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    #78
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Why is there no UK general government thread? The above story is potentially important in terms of domestic politics but has little/nothing to do with Brexit per se.

    I love that reducing that awful EU bureaucracy is going to cost about 1.5 bn a year in wages alone!


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    #79
    O'Neill
    Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭O'Neill


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Why is there no UK general government thread? The above story is potentially important in terms of domestic politics but has little/nothing to do with Brexit per se.

    I love that reducing that awful EU bureaucracy is going to cost about 1.5 bn a year in wages alone!

    Apologies I know it didn't have anything to do with Brexit but didn't know if it was worth creating a separate thread.


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    #80
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Not a criticism of you! Just a general observation really. A nice mod should start one I think :)


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    #81
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,142 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    O'Neill wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51687287

    Pretty big story

    Mod: Please do not just paste links here.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #82
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I know this home office resignation isn't part of brexit but the pretti Patel fans are out in force pilling on the guy. Pretti petal is the worst of this whole brexitteer crowd.


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    #83
    sondagefaux
    Registered Users Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭sondagefaux


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Why is there no UK general government thread? The above story is potentially important in terms of domestic politics but has little/nothing to do with Brexit per se.

    I love that reducing that awful EU bureaucracy is going to cost about 1.5 bn a year in wages alone!

    On the contrary, it is inextricably linked with how the UK government is getting Brexit done. Brexit is one step, initially the most important step, in removing almost all constraints, legal, judicial, procedural, on the power of the UK executive, itself a vitally necessary step towards the complete reshaping of UK society and economy, towards its intended goal of making the UK similar to the USA in as many ways as feasible.

    It is also inextricably linked to the fact that many of the desired outcomes of Brexit (of the UK government and its more fervent Brexiteers) with respect to trading with the EU are simply impossible to achieve, so the Johnson régime is actively seeking to replace existing civil servants with true believers in the mistaken belief that reality can be overcome by will power.

    This blog post by Chris Grey discusses the efforts of Johnson to overcome reality by undermining and dismantling British institutions that may hamper its power.

    https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2020/02/brexit-is-going-feral.html?m=1


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    #84
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    O'Neill wrote: »
    Horrible woman, completely devoid of empathy.

    I've seen and I'm sure you have had managers in work and other places who pretti petal. Nasty people mostly and because they aren't pulled on it they keep doing it.


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    #85
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I've seen and I'm sure you have had managers in work and other places who pretti petal. Nasty people mostly and because they aren't pulled on it they keep doing it.

    The civil servant refused to be bought off and is suing. That will be a very interesting inquiry with lots of witnesses for the prosecution lining up to tell their tales.


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    #86
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,142 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: No more insults please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #87
    meeeeh
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    I have a feeling there is two of them in it. I think the best description of Patel was pony running at Grand National but apparently Sir Philip went missing when Amber Rudd was in trouble because of Windrush and she had to take the flak for his mishandling of the department.


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    #88
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I have a feeling there is two of them in it. I think the best description of Patel was pony running at the horse races but apparently Sir Philip went missing when Amber Rudd was in trouble because of Windrush and she had to take the flak for his mishandling of the department.

    Or maybe that's how the Tory party spun it.


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    #89
    Joe_ Public
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    The idea that Amber Rudd could have been a patsy for wider department failings is ludicrous imho. No official in the home office duped her into misinforming the house committee about targets for deportations. It was pathetic to argue she was not aware of them. As for current imbroglio, will sit this out and see how it unfolds. Patel is horrible so very easy to dump on her without evidence. I'd give her that courtesy anyway.


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    #90
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Or maybe that's how the Tory party spun it.

    Maybe. I can't stand Patel and I think quite a few people don't so it's easy to believe it's all her. All the reports I read (Sunday Times covered it a lot) create an impression it's two unpleasant people fighting. I suspect allegations of bullying junior staff are more serious.


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    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,142 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    New thread here:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058058007

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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