Wifi mesh systems

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 6:00pm

ratracer wrote:

I would suggest that if there is an issue with yours, you should initiate a repair/ refund ASAP, if you leave if too long, you will be left with a whole pile of useless tech.

Agh crap, bought in the UK last yr from BOX, great price but not sure how that will work with brexit & shipping. Will try the AP mode suggested and check out that thread

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 6:03pm

RangeR wrote:

Double Natting is not bad, once you know it's there and build rules around it. It just complicates things.

Im not that strong on IT, i can follow instructions but managing rules is out of my knowledge.
I'll see how AP goes.
Pity i can't find how to set the virgin hub3 into bridge. Think thst is best as it leaves the q2 features. But is there other settings that can be switched that gives the same rest as bridging a router

54and56 · 17-01-2021 7:37pm

Daveq wrote: »

I have the same system with a Virgin Media Hub 3.0. WiFi disabled on VM Hub, no fixed IPs
All settings on TT as default. UPNP enabled etc..
I have the IOT 2.4 disabled and just connected my IOT devices to the standard 2.4ghz band that it uses. It should provide two 5ghz bands and a 2.4ghz on the same SSID.
And I have 5ghz on 80m instead of Auto.
I have a NAS drive connected via ethernet to the VM Hub instead of the TT router and can still access it using its IP so I think that means VM Hub is providing IP addresses.

In the app click on the globe on the home page. See what IP address for the gateway is. Mine is showing as 192.168.0.1 which is my VM Hub.

Thanks Daveq, that's very helpful.

When I click on the globe the IP address is the Virgin static IP address and the gateway address is one less ie the same as the IP address but the last digit is one lower than the IP address which I don't think is one of the static IP addresses I have from Virgin.

Might call Virgin tomorrow and figure out how to access their router/modem so I understand and can fully control the setup.

So far very happy with the TT, everything is working well and the admin app is very easy to use.

Cyrus · 17-01-2021 8:06pm

Gerry T wrote: »

Im not that strong on IT, i can follow instructions but managing rules is out of my knowledge.
I'll see how AP goes.
Pity i can't find how to set the virgin hub3 into bridge. Think thst is best as it leaves the q2 features. But is there other settings that can be switched that gives the same rest as bridging a router

Seems pretty easy called modem mode in the settings

https://www.virginmedia.com/help/virgin-media-hub-modem-mode#hub3orhub4

Cheshire Cat · 17-01-2021 8:39pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Seems pretty easy called modem mode in the settings

https://www.virginmedia.com/help/virgin-media-hub-modem-mode#hub3orhub4

That's the UK website. Unfortunately not as easy for Irish customers.

Damien360 · 17-01-2021 9:03pm

Cheshire Cat wrote: »

That's the UK website. Unfortunately not as easy for Irish customers.

I have a VM hub 3 and it is just that easy. Log in with 192.168.0.1, access menu and change to modem mode. Access IP changes on reboot to 192.168.100.1. You can now use your own router.

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 11:23pm

Cyrus wrote:

Seems pretty easy called modem mode in the settings

I tried connecting with both my ph and laptop and that option is not on the menu !
I've gone through all the menu options and didnt see any modem mode or bridge mode option.

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 11:29pm

Damien360 wrote:

I have a VM hub 3 and it is just that easy. Log in with 192.168.0.1, access menu and change to modem mode. Access IP changes on reboot to 192.168.100.1. You can now use your own router.

When i log on the menu has
Home
Connected devices
Advanced settings
Admin

Connected devices just shows whats plugged into esch port
Admin allows password change, reboot, remote access and info
Advanced has more menues
Wireless
Security
DHCP
UPhP
Tools
Cant see in any of them the modem or bridge option.

Bluefoam · 17-01-2021 11:46pm

Gerry T wrote: »

When i log on the menu has
Home
Connected devices
Advanced settings
Admin

Connected devices just shows whats plugged into esch port
Admin allows password change, reboot, remote access and info
Advanced has more menues
Wireless
Security
DHCP
UPhP
Tools
Cant see in any of them the modem or bridge option.

I'm guessing 'wireless'... Why don't you click on the menu options to find out what they are?

RangeR · 18-01-2021 12:11am

Cyrus wrote: »

Seems pretty easy called modem mode in the settings

https://www.virginmedia.com/help/virgin-media-hub-modem-mode#hub3orhub4

This is all I did to my Hub. It was was clear as day in the menu. Maybe VM have hidden it now?

RangeR · 18-01-2021 12:14am

54and56 wrote: »

Might call Virgin tomorrow and figure out how to access their router/modem so I understand and can fully control the setup.

Open a command prompt by tapping the Windows key once [Windows 10 assumed] and type CMD then press enter.

You should see a black window with white text.

Type ipconfig then press enter again.

You will see rows of text and numbers. You are looking for Default Gateway. That's the IP address of your VM router. Just type that number [usually 192.168.0.1] into your browser to login. login detail on the router sticker.

dam099 · 18-01-2021 1:52am

Gerry T wrote: »

When i log on the menu has
Home
Connected devices
Advanced settings
Admin

Connected devices just shows whats plugged into esch port
Admin allows password change, reboot, remote access and info
Advanced has more menues
Wireless
Security
DHCP
UPhP
Tools
Cant see in any of them the modem or bridge option.

By default Virgin usually have customers on a hybrid IP4/IP6 system DS-Lite. You need to ring them and ask them to switch you to IP4, modem mode should be available once they do that (may need a reboot).

grogi · 18-01-2021 3:30am

Are we yet beyond the "IPv6 crap, IPv4 good" nonsense?

I'm running my home automation services exclusively over IPv6, which allows Google Assistant cloud to reach the servers without any trickery.

Gerry T · 18-01-2021 7:45am

Bluefoam wrote:

I'm guessing 'wireless'... Why don't you click on the menu options to find out what they are?

I have.

Gerry T · 18-01-2021 7:47am

dam099 wrote:

By default Virgin usually have customers on a hybrid IP4/IP6 system DS-Lite. You need to ring them and ask them to switch you to IP4, modem mode should be available once they do that (may need a reboot).

Thanks, I'll give them a call today

dam099 · 18-01-2021 11:03am

grogi wrote: »

Are we yet beyond the "IPv6 crap, IPv4 good" nonsense?

I'm running my home automation services exclusively over IPv6, which allows Google Assistant cloud to reach the servers without any trickery.

Seems not, since some of the ISP's still don't support fully.

For Virgin if you want to use Modem mode then they seem to only allow it over IP4.

I'm on Vodafone now and they are only giving out an IP4 address on my router.

54and56 · 18-01-2021 11:53am

RangeR wrote: »

Open a command prompt by tapping the Windows key once [Windows 10 assumed] and type CMD then press enter.

You should see a black window with white text.

Type ipconfig then press enter again.

You will see rows of text and numbers. You are looking for Default Gateway. That's the IP address of your VM router. Just type that number [usually 192.168.0.1] into your browser to login. login detail on the router sticker.

Thanks RangeR,

Tried that but no joy I'm afraid. No matter which of the 192.168..... IP addresses I type into Chrome all I get is "This site can’t be reached" messages.

54and56 · 18-01-2021 12:49pm

On a bit of a whim I entered the 89.101.xxx.xx Gateway address the TT app shows in the "Globe" system status and I think it's the address of the Virgin modem as this is what I get. Now if only I knew the login and password

Bluefoam · 18-01-2021 1:04pm

54and56 wrote: »

On a bit of a whim I entered the 89.101.xxx.xx Gateway address the TT app shows in the "Globe" system status and I think it's the address of the Virgin modem as this is what I get. Now if only I knew the login and password

Try the login information provided for the wifi

54and56 · 18-01-2021 2:08pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

Try the login information provided for the wifi

The TT router admin app doesn't use a password, instead it uses a form of 2 factor authentication. You enter your email address as the username and then hit a "send code" button which emails a 6 digit code that you have 5 minutes to enter in the app to gain access.

I tried entering the code into the Chrome login/password option but no joy.

Bluefoam · 18-01-2021 2:11pm

54and56 wrote: »

The TT router admin app doesn't use a password, instead it uses a form of 2 factor authentication. You enter your email address as the username and then hit a "send code" button which emails a 6 digit code that you have 5 minutes to enter in the app to gain access.

I tried entering the code into the Chrome login/password option but no joy.

Have you tried not putting in any information and clicking to log in? Just a stab in the dark.

RangeR · 18-01-2021 2:15pm

54and56 wrote: »

The TT router admin app doesn't use a password, instead it uses a form of 2 factor authentication. You enter your email address as the username and then hit a "send code" button which emails a 6 digit code that you have 5 minutes to enter in the app to gain access.

I tried entering the code into the Chrome login/password option but no joy.

A bit off topic but not sure I like that. What happens if you have no internet to send the email?

54and56 · 18-01-2021 3:55pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

Have you tried not putting in any information and clicking to log in? Just a stab in the dark.

:eek: Worked a treat. I skipped straight past that option this morning thinking it couldn't possibly be left wide open and tried admin / admin etc etc but yep it's wide open!!!

Thanks.

Now to figure out how it's set up etc.

One step at a time starting with creating a username and password!!

54and56 · 18-01-2021 4:10pm

RangeR wrote: »

A bit off topic but not sure I like that. What happens if you have no internet to send the email?

Yeah, I thought the same thing. The app is phone based and you remain logged in indefinitely so I guess it's low risk unless someone gets hold of your phone and has the unlock code/pattern and/or you are unable to access email on the phone for some reason.

It doesn't sound like a great / comprehensive solution but I do use Google Authenticator for other apps so it seems the assumption increasingly is if you're accessing an app / online facility you must have internet access and by extension (for TT anyway) email access.

Damien360 · 18-01-2021 6:12pm

dam099 wrote: »

By default Virgin usually have customers on a hybrid IP4/IP6 system DS-Lite. You need to ring them and ask them to switch you to IP4, modem mode should be available once they do that (may need a reboot).

I forgot that. I have it in IPV4 only mode as I asked for it. I use a VPN for work from home and it’s not IPV6 compatible.

whowantstwoknow · 18-01-2021 10:33pm

I have the tplink deco m4, running in ap mode connected to my router hub. Having constant problems with the WiFi mesh having no Internet access, while the vf gigabox WiFi signal shows I have Internet.

I've reset these twice, getting hassle from family to fix. Before turning my chips in with amazon any suggestion for troubleshooting?

Thanks W.

Should these units be given static ip addresses from the router DHCP server?

Gooey Looey · 18-01-2021 10:38pm

whowantstwoknow wrote: »

I have the tplink deco m4, running in ap mode connected to my router hub. Having constant problems with the WiFi mesh having no Internet access, while the vf gigabox WiFi signal shows I have Internet.

I've reset these twice, getting hassle from family to fix. Before turning my chips in with amazon any suggestion for troubleshooting?

Thanks W.

You should disable WiFi on the Vodafone gigabox!

whowantstwoknow · 18-01-2021 11:13pm

Gooey Looey wrote: »

You should disable WiFi on the Vodafone gigabox!

Why it's a different ssid and subnet?

Gooey Looey · 18-01-2021 11:30pm

whowantstwoknow wrote: »

Why it's a different ssid and subnet?

Because it can cause interference, there are limited channels available. You are just creating noise!
If you need a second SSID create a virtual ap on the mesh

Sheep Shagger · 18-01-2021 11:35pm

Dumb question, have had google WiFi for a couple of years. The original VM signal still comes up as an avaliable network (in addition to the Google WiFi network and that's what we have each device use).

Is that right or should thd original VM one be dead, sometimes devices can flick to the VM signal and we have to manually switch it back to the Google WiFi signal.

Wifi mesh systems

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