Provincial Schools Cups 2013-2014 [MOD NOTE POST 1]

ormond lad · 16-05-2013 12:59pm #1

Draws for Munster Senior and Junior Schools Cups will probably be made tonight at the Munster Schools AGM like in the past few seasons but starting this thread now to gauge reaction to the new rules being put in place for next seasons Munster Schools Cups.
The first story is on the decision which is being made at the Munster schools AGM tonight and you can read that here while here is an article from the irish examiner from a few weeks ago where representatives from Castletroy College and St Munchins College argued for and against the motion and here is an article from December where representatives from St Munchins and Rockwell argued their cases on the ruling

Munster Schools extended squad from a few weeks back
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/11774.php

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ormond lad · 16-05-2013 11:44pm

From reports the AGM has decided that the controversial(for some) ruling on player eligibility for the schools cup will be in place from the 2014 senior cup . The MSC have voted on player eligibility rule.
3 players from each school will be exempt while a max of 2 will go through an appeal process. to go through an appeals process means they have to explain their circumstances to a committee.

ormond lad · 20-05-2013 11:14pm

2014 Munster Schools Cup draws were made tonight
Senior Cup
Pelim Round
Qualifier v PBC
First Round
Qualifier/PBC v Munchins
Ard Scoil Ris v Glenstal
Rockwell v Castletroy
Crescent v CBC

Junior Cup
Pelim Round
Qualifier v Munchins
First Round:
Qualifier/Munchins v Castletroy
Glenstal v Rockwell
CBC v PBC
Crescent v Ard Scoil Ris

opinionatedfan · 22-05-2013 2:52am

Any players standout from that squad ormond?

Leinster5 · 11-06-2013 5:57pm

Rory Moloney and Oisin Heffernan will both play for Connact u20's next year instead of Leinster u20's. Looks like a fight between Leinster and Connact for the cup. Still think Leinster have the most talented squad.

lurtz · 12-06-2013 11:57am

knew moloney got a contract but didnt know about heffernan,makes sense though seeing as hes from there.
Although could be a backlog of props there with himself Walshe and Meunargia.
Also connachts training is reverting to 3 days a week whereas leinsters is still 5,that could be a deciding factor as to who will come out on top

JagerScout · 25-06-2013 3:56am

St. Gerrard's has:

1 player involved with the Leinster u19 development squad(David Baker - scrumhalf)
4 players involved with the Leinster u18 development squad(Jack Ryan - hooker, Charlie Kenny - lock, Con Callan - centre, Tommy Whittle - outhalf)
3 players involved with the Leinster u17 development squad(Billy O’Reilly - backrow, Tom Foley - scrumhalf, Ben Kealy - fullback)

CGD · 26-06-2013 2:19pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

Rory Moloney and Oisin Heffernan will both play for Connact u20's next year instead of Leinster u20's. Looks like a fight between Leinster and Connact for the cup. Still think Leinster have the most talented squad.

Heffernan will be in Leinster Camp with under 20's in 2 weeks time!

JagerScout · 27-06-2013 4:57pm

Yeah Heffo sticking with Leinster and skipping u19 level along with a few of the other super talented under-18s who just finished school.

CBC Monkstown have three players with the u17 squad team this summer:

William Fay - backrow, Alex Holmes - hooker, Robert Jordan - scrumhalf.

Ben Mahon - scrumhalf is with the u18 squad.

ormond lad · 28-06-2013 4:19pm

Leinster Senior League fixtures have been made.
Havent seen all fixtures but 1 of the groups is
Kings Hospital, Castleknock, CUS, Kilkenny, Wesley and Gonzaga

Leinster5 · 02-07-2013 8:21pm

You're right, Oisin Heffernan is staying with Leinster u20's. I think the Leinster 18's and 20's are much stronger than the other 3 provinces. Only pity for Leinster is that Dan Leavy and Harrison Brewer won't be involved.

JagerScout · 02-07-2013 8:23pm

Why no Brewer?

Assume Leavy won't be involved because he is ahead of this level, hopefully involved with Ireland during the 6N though.

Also it's pretty hard to know how good the 18s will be, most of the players are unproven. They did perform better though against the lambs so it's a safe assumption.

Hagz · 02-07-2013 8:41pm

If Dan Leavy isn't involved does that mean Peter Dooley won't be involved?

JagerScout · 02-07-2013 8:43pm

Hagz wrote: »

If Dan Leavy isn't involved does that mean Peter Dooley won't be involved?

Dooley is injured at the moment anyway

Quint2010 · 02-07-2013 8:53pm

Leinster5 wrote: »

You're right, Oisin Heffernan is staying with Leinster u20's. I think the Leinster 18's and 20's are much stronger than the other 3 provinces. Only pity for Leinster is that Dan Leavy and Harrison Brewer won't be involved.

Heard a story that Brewer wasn't selected for the academy because he just had a hip operation and wont be playing for most of this (calender) year. Any truth in it?

stellenbosch · 02-07-2013 9:51pm

JagerScout wrote: »

Yeah Heffo sticking with Leinster and skipping u19 level along with a few of the other super talented under-18s who just finished school.

CBC Monkstown have three players with the u17 squad team this summer:

William Fay - backrow, Alex Holmes - hooker, Robert Jordan - scrumhalf.

Ben Mahon - scrumhalf is with the u18 squad.

and...

U17'S-Jack McAteer who was captain of the JCT-N04
u18'S-H Godson Tracey-13/14
U19's-Jack McGrath-NO5

Mike Courtney has left as has Eoin McKeever and they are on the U19s and U20s respectively

JagerScout · 02-07-2013 10:10pm

Any sign of Dan Casey?

stellenbosch · 02-07-2013 10:18pm

JagerScout wrote: »

Any sign of Dan Casey?[/QUOTE

Just done the J Cert and gone to Sunderland..unfortunately for CBC and Leinster schools..although U17..have no doubt would have been good enough for the U18s schools..not many that talented at his age group!

JagerScout · 02-07-2013 10:21pm

great shame, likelihood of him making it professionally at sunderland is minuscule. Good luck to the kid though, even at such a young age you could see the undoubted talent. His try against Michaels was wonderful.

Leinster5 · 02-07-2013 11:56pm

Quint2010 wrote: »

Heard a story that Brewer wasn't selected for the academy because he just had a hip operation and wont be playing for most of this (calender) year. Any truth in it?

Brewer had surgery a few weeks ago. And won't be fit for a few months. So he'll moss most, if not all of the Leinster under 20 games. Leavy will train with the Senior Leinster side over the Summer. Does anyone have a final Leinster and Connact squads for Under 20 level ?

JagerScout · 03-07-2013 12:00am

Nope those squads probably won't ever be officially announced.

ormond lad · 03-07-2013 12:14am

Leinster5 wrote: »

Brewer had surgery a few weeks ago. And won't be fit for a few months. So he'll moss most, if not all of the Leinster under 20 games. Leavy will train with the Senior Leinster side over the Summer. Does anyone have a final Leinster and Connact squads for Under 20 level ?

Most of the provinces do not announce their squads until September right before the interpro's begin. Munster are normally the only province who name squads for underage interpro's early in summer.
Connacht have quite a few players who've played their rugby in other provinces like Rory Parata(Connacht 19s last sept apart), Jack Feeney, Darren Coady

JagerScout · 03-07-2013 8:44am

Is Bobby Holland still not playing rep rugby?

RobbieRuns · 03-07-2013 10:59am

ormond lad wrote: »

Most of the provinces do not announce their squads until September right before the interpro's begin. Munster are normally the only province who name squads for underage interpro's early in summer.
Connacht have quite a few players who've played their rugby in other provinces like Rory Parata(Connacht 19s last sept apart), Jack Feeney, Darren Coady

Why is that? would be nice to know all the provincial squads for U20, it would give insight into Sub Academies etc and who they are planning to use. Connacht will always get more from other provinces, especially Leinster due to their large numbers at 18's and 19's. They might get more going in at 20's this year if Leinster only have one team at 19's.

lurtz · 03-07-2013 6:07pm

JagerScout wrote: »

Is Bobby Holland still not playing rep rugby?

no hes not playing leinster 20s this summer

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Why is that? would be nice to know all the provincial squads for U20, it would give insight into Sub Academies etc and who they are planning to use. Connacht will always get more from other provinces, especially Leinster due to their large numbers at 18's and 19's. They might get more going in at 20's this year if Leinster only have one team at 19's.

the connacht squad is up on the connacht age grade S and C facebook page

JagerScout · 03-07-2013 6:27pm

edited.

Hagz · 03-07-2013 6:56pm

Sean O'Brien not on the list?

Good to see O'Hagan there.

JagerScout · 03-07-2013 8:08pm

Looking back at the 2011 Ireland u-18 schools side that won the FIRA competition that year.

13 Players that went onto to represent Ireland u-20:

Luke McGrath(Scrumhalf, Leinster)
David Shanahan(Scrumhalf, Leinster)
Bryan Byrne(Hooker, Leinster)
Edward Byrne(Prop, Leinster)
Gavin Thornbury(Lock, Leinster)
Dan Leavy(Backrow, Leinster)
Ryan Murphy(Backrow, Munster)
Rory Scannell(Centre, Munster)
Robert Henshaw(Fullback, Connacht)
Christopher Taylor(Prop, Ulster)
Stuart Olding(Centre, Ulster)
Rory Scholes(Back 3, Ulster)
Chris Farrell(Centre, Ulster)

Of these 13 players, the only players not confirmed to have joined an academy setup are Chris Taylor and Dave Shanahan, although both are heavily rumored to be joining Ulster's academy.

Four players are still eligible for the u20's next season:
Dan Leavy(Backrow, Leinster)
Jack O'Neill(Backrow, Leinster)
Ben Alexander(Backrow, Ulster)
Mark Best(Centre, Ulster)

The rest of the squad:
Mark Best(Centre, Ulster)
Thomas Ferrari(Prop, Connacht)
Cian O'Halloran(Wing, Munster)
Gordon Frayne(Prop, Leinster)
Andrew Murphy(Hooker, Leinster)
Luke Satchwell(Backrow, Leinster)
Jerry Sexton(Lock, Leinster)
Donagh Lawler(Lock, Leinster)
Conor McEllin(Wing, Leinster)
Jack Fitzpatrick(Fullback, Leinster)

JagerScout · 03-07-2013 8:44pm

lurtz wrote: »

no hes not playing leinster 20s this summer

shame thought he had the talent to potentially make it into Leinster's academy.

Hagz · 03-07-2013 8:50pm

What u19 (13/14) players do people think have a chance at playing u20 rugby next season? I have to say, I didn't expect either Timmins or O'Donoghue to feature in the JWC.

My thoughts

Rory Moloney, a scrum-half, Sean O'Hagan and the most obvious - Billy Dardis.

JagerScout · 03-07-2013 9:07pm

Agreed on Moloney and Dardis.

A scrum-half too not sure who but I guess Jack Cullen has to be favoured as he is the only eligible scrumhalf in the academy system, not a lot of talent available there. Perhaps Josh Fullerton or Nick McCarthy?

O'Hagan is an interesting call, surely talented but in a position of relative depth.

Think we would see Brewer but injury might curtail that.

Kieran Treadwell is a player I could see being involved

Provincial Schools Cups 2013-2014 [MOD NOTE POST 1]

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