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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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  • #4352
    Randy Archer
    Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Randy Archer


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
    elperello wrote: »
    Lot's of decent people live in public housing. You never know when life might take a turn and you could end up on welfare.

    Bull ! Besides, I simply won’t and can’t qualify for welfare , like most middle class people


  • #4353
    Reputable Rog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭Reputable Rog


    Just when you when starting to have a little sympathy fir publicans,
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/VFI-Ban-the-sale-of-alcohol-to-curb-house-parties-cebe4ff9-4311-42b2-b709-38bd99b6d886-ds

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-publican-warns-keeping-pubs-closed-will-result-in-serious-societal-issues-and-a-spike-in-Covid-cases--54f8b0fb-1f9e-4816-bded-2d263847d388-ds


  • #4354
    The Floyd p
    Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭The Floyd p


    Reputable Rog wrote: »
    Just when you when starting to have a little sympathy fir publicans,
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/VFI-Ban-the-sale-of-alcohol-to-curb-house-parties-cebe4ff9-4311-42b2-b709-38bd99b6d886-ds

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-publican-warns-keeping-pubs-closed-will-result-in-serious-societal-issues-and-a-spike-in-Covid-cases--54f8b0fb-1f9e-4816-bded-2d263847d388-ds

    It's so blatant that it's almost funny.


  • #4355
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    First of all I predict that the distributors will find some reason to adsorb a lot of the price increase. So the publicans won't seen as much of the extra price as they'd like.

    Can't say this too often but since the tax on alcohol itself hasn't gone up there will be no extra funds for the health services.

    Any gain in VAT because of MUP will likely be matched by a loss in VAT elsewhere. This will factor into inflation figures which could trigger some costs in the budget or borrowing or something.



    Off-licence consumption in Scotland has dropped by 3%
    did the pubs sell more ?
    did English supermarkets near the border sell more ?
    did the amount of home brew increase ?


    Minimum price is NOT acting as a deterrent to new drinkers.
    https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,increasing-alcohol-price-has-no-impact-on-under-18s-drinking-habits-nhs-stu_15000.htm

    Off licence consumption dropped. How much did drug related deaths rise??


  • #4356
    brightspark
    Registered Users Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    Reputable Rog wrote: »
    Just when you when starting to have a little sympathy fir publicans,
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/VFI-Ban-the-sale-of-alcohol-to-curb-house-parties-cebe4ff9-4311-42b2-b709-38bd99b6d886-ds

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-publican-warns-keeping-pubs-closed-will-result-in-serious-societal-issues-and-a-spike-in-Covid-cases--54f8b0fb-1f9e-4816-bded-2d263847d388-ds

    We didn't close the off=licences at any stage, so they can't really be to blame for the current increase.


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  • #4357
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,189 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Prof. Joe Barry on with Sarah McInerney earlier with a new plan of attack to get MUP introduced.

    Apparently it will help to reduce house parties during the Covid era.

    He said it's wrong that people can buy beer for one euro a can and we should be paying £2 (yes two pounds is what he said) a pint.


  • #4358
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,569 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    elperello wrote: »
    Prof. Joe Barry on with Sarah McInerney earlier with a new plan of attack to get MUP introduced.

    Apparently it will help to reduce house parties during the Covid era.

    He said it's wrong that people can buy beer for one euro a can and we should be paying £2 (yes two pounds is what he said) a pint.

    Mad. A bottle on Connemara Irish whiskey costs about 44 Eur. In Germany you can buy it for 25 Eur. While a cheap can of beer can cost 50 cent. Even cheap take aways serve cheap beer. While there are many bars serving alcohol all night and all day, yet people manage fine. No chaos


  • #4359
    patrickbrophy18
    Registered Users Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    The glaringly obvious vested interests are at it again. They're loosing money and want the consumer to be punished for it. As for Joe Barry, his opinion (which is what that boils down to) should be taken with a pinch of salt.

    So, to deter the few from house parties, we must punish the responsible?

    I really think that some of the people dreaming up these restrictions on alcohol were social outcasts or relatives of chronic alcohol abusers and that they are taking their revenge boners out on the rest of society.


  • #4360
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Well MUP won't bother me, I drink Courvoisier Cognac occasionally and nice wine as much as I can lol!

    Never liked beer except occasionally when abroad and it looked great with the drops on the outside of the glass when weather was roasting. I'd have the odd pint of Guinness in the Winter, gorgeous.

    Everyone is different. I have no issue with anyone buying whatever they want at a price they can afford. This MUP thing is for the publicans, and is a kind of a back door to banning alcohol outside of pubs if they could get away with it!

    Cheers everyone.


  • #4361
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    patrickbrophy18 wrote: »
    The glaringly obvious vested interests are at it again. They're loosing money and want the consumer to be punished for it. As for Joe Barry, his opinion (which is what that boils down to) should be taken with a pinch of salt.

    So, to deter the few from house parties, we must punish the responsible?

    I really think that some of the people dreaming up these restrictions on alcohol were social outcasts or relatives of chronic alcohol abusers and that they are taking their revenge boners out on the rest of society.

    Senator Black who was pushing this is an alkie. Obviously if she can’t control herself nobody can so we need these rules.


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  • #4362
    Kace Eager Refugee
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kace Eager Refugee


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Senator Black who was pushing this is an alkie. Obviously if she can’t control herself nobody can so we need these rules.

    Another, "I'm alright Jack".

    Won't affect her so of course she's for it.


  • #4363
    Kace Eager Refugee
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kace Eager Refugee


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well MUP won't bother me, I drink Courvoisier Cognac occasionally and nice wine as much as I can lol!

    As has been stated repeatedly on this thread, it will affect you because you can expect your Courvoisier to go up in price.


  • #4364
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    This MUP thing is for the publicans, and is a kind of a back door to banning alcohol outside of pubs if they could get away with it!

    Cheers everyone.
    Turkeys voting for Christmas

    If MUP comes in expect the distributors to increase prices because shareholders like profits.

    Only supermarkets with own brands sourced directly will get to keep the price increase.

    MUP won't raise any extra excise duty to go to the Health Services.


  • #4365
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I see they got it through and shops must have alcohol seperate to the rest of the stores items for sale....


  • #4366
    Kace Eager Refugee
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kace Eager Refugee


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    I see they got it through and shops must have alcohol seperate to the rest of the stores items for sale....

    Which is completely unworkable for many many shops.


  • #4367
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Kace Eager Refugee wrote: »
    Which is completely unworkable for many many shops.

    I agree....

    I'm more worried at how they manage to get these bills in and it's not even news... Seems we are only told what they want us to know and it seems crap in the US is more important....


  • #4368
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Kace Eager Refugee wrote: »
    Which is completely unworkable for many many shops.

    You cannot make laws, or not make them, on the basis that it might be difficult for some people.

    If it is the right thing to do (which of course is very questionable) then whether some shops will struggle is not really an issue.

    Just like cigarette sales, smoking areas in pubs and drink driving laws, people will find a way to adapt to the new laws.


  • #4369
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users Posts: 81,055 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Will the shops have trained staff to mind shoppers kids outside these alcohol areas?


  • #4370
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Will the shops have trained staff to mind shoppers kids outside these alcohol areas?

    Why would they? Do pubs have trained staff to look after kids? Do other paces have trained staff to look after kids; dentist, doctor etc.

    Kids are allowed into the alcohol sections, just not buy the product.


  • #4371
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,057 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I'm just glad I live very close to the border


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  • #4372
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Home entertaining isn't going away. No matter what stunts the publican lobby pull, they will have to address what an exorbitant cost they - and to be fair, the main culprits which are the handful of monopoly brewers here - charge.

    When the traditional pubs open, it'll be interesting to see how many people have got used to staying at home in terms of convenience, choice and cost, even with MUP pricing which will still be far cheaper than paying through the nose for beer in pubs.


  • #4373
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
    My name is URL wrote: »
    I'm just glad I live very close to the border
    It'll be interesting to see what happens come January 1st as from then on you're technically limited to duty-free allowances and to cross the border with more than the applicable limits would constitute smuggling.


  • #4374
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I'm just glad I live very close to the border
    Oh you sweet summer child.

    This only works if both sides of the border implement similar schemes. It would be an example of cross border cooperation because both sides know exactly what would happen otherwise.


  • #4375
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users Posts: 13,798 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    You cannot make laws, or not make them, on the basis that it might be difficult for some people.

    If it is the right thing to do (which of course is very questionable) then whether some shops will struggle is not really an issue.

    Just like cigarette sales, smoking areas in pubs and drink driving laws, people will find a way to adapt to the new laws.

    *cough*Legalise cannabis*cough*


  • #4376
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    You cannot make laws, or not make them, on the basis that it might be difficult for some people.

    If it is the right thing to do (which of course is very questionable) then whether some shops will struggle is not really an issue.

    Just like cigarette sales, smoking areas in pubs and drink driving laws, people will find a way to adapt to the new laws.
    But isn't that kinda how most laws are made or broken?
    When something (apart from murder or beating, rape, torture etc.) isn't deemed acceptable by some people, and if they make enough noise....
    Cannabis will likely be legalised here before 2030, just a matter of figuring out who is going to profit from it and how to appoint said people. Nothing to do with the people who are against it at this stage.
    Everything is harmful if abused.


  • #4377
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,820 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Suckit wrote: »
    Everything is harmful if abused.

    Especially power.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • #4378
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 14,988 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    My local shop was refurbished last year and they moved the drinks section from close to where you queue up for the tills to down a special section at the back of the shop.

    The also put huge, obvious, in your face neon sinage saying "Off License" on it.

    You can't miss it.

    But what I've noticed of my own shopping habits is that previously I'd find myself browsing the drinks section and picking up something on impulse when it was close to the tills, but now I only buy alcohol when I specifically plan on doing so.


  • #4379
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 14,988 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    This thread has always been about politicians looking after the pub trade, and doing their buddies in the pub trade a favour at the expense of you and I the casual off license customer.

    Can someone explain how they are doing that after twice cancelling the planned reopening of pubs (and likely to do so again) and at the same time reducing the vat on booze ?

    You'd think that if they were as much in the back pocket of publicans as people here make out, that they would have found a way to reopen the majority of pubs regardless of the COVID 19 trends ?


  • #4380
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,786 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    This thread has always been about politicians looking after the pub trade, and doing their buddies in the pub trade a favour at the expense of you and I the casual off license customer.
    Can someone explain how they are doing that after twice cancelling the planned reopening of pubs (and likely to do so again) and at the same time reducing the vat on booze ?
    You'd think that if they were as much in the back pocket of publicans as people here make out, that they would have found a way to reopen the majority of pubs regardless of the COVID 19 trends ?

    It didn't get over the line just cos of those publican politicians.
    There was also support from certain drinks retailers (indie off licences) and 'cover' for it from a public health angle.
    It's a coalition.

    And by contrast big covid-19 decisions are subject to intense coverage in the media.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #4381
    Kace Eager Refugee
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kace Eager Refugee


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    My local shop was refurbished last year and they moved the drinks section from close to where you queue up for the tills to down a special section at the back of the shop.

    The also put huge, obvious, in your face neon sinage saying "Off License" on it.

    You can't miss it.

    But what I've noticed of my own shopping habits is that previously I'd find myself browsing the drinks section and picking up something on impulse when it was close to the tills, but now I only buy alcohol when I specifically plan on doing so.

    So because your local shop is alright, then its grand.

    You should change your name to Fr "I'm alright" Jack.

    Considering shops are already under pressure due to Covid-19, is it really prudent to make things more difficult for them by bringing in this pointless legislation.


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