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Bloody Sunday soldier to be charged with murder

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  • #62
    baldbear
    Registered Users Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Soldier F is an absolute scumbag. The families in Derry are so dignified. "Justice for one is justice for all"

    Have a read of this article

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/the-case-for-prosecuting-bloody-sunday-soldier-f/


  • #63
    Uncharted
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    Feisar wrote: »
    No backpedaling required.

    Its extremely obvious the role you're trying to play here.
    Within the context of the subject matter at hand,its shameful.

    I won't be biting further.


  • #64
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    What's the betting he will get off with technicality the utterly corrupt British establishment will make sure of it they have no intention of helping to ever bring those murdering scum to justice when it's one of their own they will simply give them immunity for life.


  • #65
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Uncharted wrote: »
    Its extremely obvious the role you're trying to play here.
    Within the context of the subject matter at hand,its shameful.

    I won't be biting further.

    Don't feed it.

    On another note I suspect the charged will be given some considerable leniency given his age. Unfortunately.


  • #66
    Mrsmum
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    Mutant z wrote: »
    What's the betting he will get off with technicality the utterly corrupt British establishment will make sure of it they have no intention of helping to ever bring those murdering scum to justice when it's one of their own they will simply give them immunity for life.

    Or I was thinking, is it possible they will be happy enough to throw this one fellow under the bus as if he had gone rogue. That's why I would prefer more than one soldier to be charged to show a mindset and also of course to reflect what actually happened.


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  • #67
    partyguinness
    Registered Users Posts: 8,204 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    I had to check the Daily Mail website for the inevitable FURY and DISGRACE. Never disappoints.


  • #68
    mloc123
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    Will he be named if found guilty?


  • #69
    Mutant z
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    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Or I was thinking, is it possible they will be happy enough to throw this one fellow under the bus as if he had gone rogue. That's why I would prefer more than one soldier to be charged to show a mindset and also of course to reflect what actually happened.

    Those soldiers are still regarded as heroes bringing peace to NI by the British state so there's no chance of that happening.


  • #70
    Berserker
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    Mutant z wrote: »
    What's the betting he will get off with technicality the utterly corrupt British establishment will make sure of it they have no intention of helping to ever bring those murdering scum to justice when it's one of their own they will simply give them immunity for life.

    Well, if he's not found guilty then he acted within the bounds of the law of the land. The law of the land was good and fair when IRA terrorists were getting of due to technicalities, so this should be no different. I have a feeling that this soldier will not get off. A conviction here will appease the masses. It'll be a nice softener for the angst the Brexit is causing also.


  • #71
    Junkyard Tom
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    Nobody should mistake this for justice - justice would have seen them in prison in the early 1970's serving life for cold-blooded murder.


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  • #72
    [Deleted User]
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Well, if he's not found guilty then he acted within the bounds of the law of the land. The law of the land was good and fair when IRA terrorists were getting of due to technicalities, so this should be no different. I have a feeling that this soldier will not get off. A conviction here will appease the masses. It'll be a nice softener for the angst the Brexit is causing also.

    Exactly, getting the green light by his masters to commit atrocities. Within the parameters of "justice". You can falsely conflate this with Brexit all you want.


  • #73
    Mutant z
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Well, if he's not found guilty then he acted within the bounds of the law of the land. The law of the land was good and fair when IRA terrorists were getting of due to technicalities, so this should be no different. I have a feeling that this soldier will not get off. A conviction here will appease the masses. It'll be a nice softener for the angst the Brexit is causing also.

    This sounds like a bit like oh but look over there someone else did something a classic whataboutary tactic and what the hell brexit has to do with it i will never know.


  • #74
    Jimbob1977
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    Does the Good Friday Agreement extend to British soldiers?


  • #75
    Berserker
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Exactly, getting the green light by his masters to commit atrocities. Within the parameters of "justice". You can falsely conflate this with Brexit all you want.

    You should consider a career in tabloid journalism with language like that and the will be a sideline story/distraction if things get heated over Brexit.


  • #76
    rapul
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    A ****ing sham.


  • #77
    Feisar
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    fonecrusher1 wrote: »
    Don't feed it.

    On another note I suspect the charged will be given some considerable leniency given his age. Unfortunately.

    No need to call me a troll because I believe the fault lies mainly with the authorities.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #78
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Doubt familes will be happy with this


  • #79
    partyguinness
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    There will just be massive campaign to counter this with the old boys network clubbing together to paint him as a poor distressed soldier in an impossible situation doing his best with all sorts of pressure from the upper echelons of British society blah blah blah

    Akin the SAS guy in Afghanistan who blatantly went up to a dying Afghani on the ground and shot him point blank in the chest. He even acknowledged what he was about to do was in violation of the Geneva Convention.


  • #80
    Giveaway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    The trial will have to be in the form of justice available at the time. So a Diplock(non jury) court. I would much prefer for the trial to be held in front of a jury, preferably in front of a jury of normal English people so they can see the horror of what was done.


  • #81
    Immortal Starlight
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    It's an absolute insult to the 13 people who died and their families to only find 1 soldier did wrong that day. Some of them were only 17 years old. They deserve more than this. This is not justice.


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  • #82
    riffmongous
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    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Does the Good Friday Agreement extend to British soldiers?
    As far as I am aware, the GFA was for early release, not an amnesty for crimes that were never prosecuted. Since there were never any British soldiers prosecuted, it doesn't apply to them


  • #83
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Mutant z wrote: »
    This sounds like a bit like oh but look over there someone else did something a classic whataboutary tactic and what the hell brexit has to do with it i will never know.
    Agreed, what the actual **** does Brexit have to do with it...
    Feisar wrote: »
    No need to call me a troll because I believe the fault lies mainly with the authorities.
    Yeah I think people are being harsh on you. You're nowhere near the actual whatabouters here.


  • #84
    riffmongous
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    I had to check the Daily Mail website for the inevitable FURY and DISGRACE. Never disappoints.
    The Express is taking it surprsingly well though, I suppose they don't want anything distracting from Brexit


  • #85
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Feisar wrote: »
    Why am I utterly clueless?

    You're utterly clueless because you're maintaining that putting a group of some of the world's best trained soldiers into an area where there are civil rights protesters was always going to result in 14 dead people.

    Soldier F, the one who's being prosecuted is described in the following retelling of the Saville tribunal. Sorry F but shooting innocent civilians while they're crawling away isn't what a soldier does. Lieing about your actions isn't what a soldier does either, unless they weren't acting like a soldier.
    Under questioning in 2003, the short and stocky F — then in late middle age — was reduced to monosyllabic answers, generally of either ‘yes’ or ‘no’. He claimed to remember almost nothing of the day, despite it being his first visit to Derry and — by his own admission — the most shots he had fired on any deployment up to that date. Under devastating questioning, F was shown to have killed at least four people that day. One of them was Patrick Doherty, shot through a buttock as he was crawling away. One more killing which soldier F had ‘forgotten’ about when first questioned by the RMP.

    Then, while Doherty lay crying in agony, a 41-year-old man called Barney McGuigan stepped out from behind a block of flats to try to get help for the dying man. McGuigan was waving a white handkerchief. According to the testimony of numerous witnesses, including an officer from another regiment stationed on the city walls, soldier F — positioned on the other side of the road — got down on one knee and shot McGuigan through the head. No one who saw the mortuary photos of the exit wound in McGuigan’s face will forget what just that one bullet of soldier F’s did.


  • #86
    steddyeddy
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Well, if he's not found guilty then he acted within the bounds of the law of the land. The law of the land was good and fair when IRA terrorists were getting of due to technicalities, so this should be no different. I have a feeling that this soldier will not get off. A conviction here will appease the masses. It'll be a nice softener for the angst the Brexit is causing also.

    This is a common ignorance among British people. IRA members weren't given amnesty, they were released early.


  • #87
    Giveaway
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    The daily mail have disabled comments like its thejournal.ie


  • #88
    Cryptopagan
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    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Does the Good Friday Agreement extend to British soldiers?

    Early release under the GFA only covers offences from 1973 to 1998, so it’s not relevant to Bloody Sunday anyhow.

    Afaik it’s never been applied to a member of the security forces, but there isn’t anything in the legislation that says it can’t be.


  • #89
    realitykeeper
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    Wasn`t a former IRA bomber deported or arrested or something recently for a 1972 bombing? This British soldier being charged with murder might have been negotiated at some level and an agreement made regarding charging him and charging the IRA man. Of course it could just be a coincidence.


  • #90
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    The parachute regiment are full of the dregs of British society. Absolutely sick psychopaths


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  • #91
    Spook_ie
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Nobody should mistake this for justice - justice would have seen them in prison in the early 1970's serving life for cold-blooded murder.

    And presumably released under the GFA?


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