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  • #6212
    Gavlor
    Registered Users Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    deiseach wrote: »
    Things are not as bad as I feared if people can say with a straight face that we'd be improved by getting shot of Austin Gleeson.

    We would be better off without the 2018 & 2019 editions of young Gleeson.

    We’d be better with the 2017 version.

    It’s up to him really


  • #6213
    TheScoringGoal
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭TheScoringGoal


    Gavlor wrote: »
    We would be better off without the 2018 & 2019 editions of young Gleeson.

    We’d be better with the 2017 version.

    It’s up to him really

    The 2018 one where he was injured but made himself available anyway to do what he could? I've already covered 2019 comprehensively so I won't bore everyone by repeating it.

    If anyone questions his commitment or anything like that call up and watch him or any of the other lads training for the county over the winter. You'll only need to be there one night, he and the other panel members will be there twice, three times a week killing themselves. And despite this come the summer it's the lads who put in the hard work who will be in the firing line from fellas who's last attempt at competitive sport was a game of hop scotch that they lost to their sister.


  • #6214
    Gavlor
    Registered Users Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭Gavlor


    TheScoringGoal wrote: »
    The 2018 one where he was injured but made himself available anyway to do what he could? I've already covered 2019 comprehensively so I won't bore everyone by repeating it.

    If anyone questions his commitment or anything like that call up and watch him or any of the other lads training for the county over the winter. You'll only need to be there one night, he and the other panel members will be there twice, three times a week killing themselves. And despite this come the summer it's the lads who put in the hard work who will be in the firing line from fellas who's last attempt at competitive sport was a game of hop scotch that they lost to their sister.

    There’s a big difference between commitment and attitude.


  • #6215
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    To be fair, he shouldn't be criticized for 2018. He was arguably the best player on the pitch before he went off against Tipp in Thurles last February and then struggled with injury for 3 months.

    It was mentioned here how he was on one leg when he played for Mt Sion scoring a goal, not sure if directly before or after the championship. But he was captapulted into play against Tipp having not played the previous week at all.

    If people are having a go at him over that then it does speak volumes that the man is being scapegoated. He can definitely do a lot better than this year, hes far from alone in that however. Some of his 2013 minor counterparts for example seem to be able to fly under the radar when it comes to criticism of individuals. They're lucky Austin was as good as he was from 2014-2017.


  • #6216
    thesaturdayman
    Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭thesaturdayman


    farcical scenes in kill last night, few minutes before portlaw and ballygunner due to take the field, the game was called off due to the fog.

    now i appreciate that adverse weather conditions can happen at short notice.

    It doesnt however, explain to me why players had to wait all weekend to play an intermediate hurling game on the Sunday evening? what was wrong with the Saturday or Friday?

    Same next weekend, SH games on a sunday evening - down in fraher field again.

    Seems ridiculous scheduling, PJR was on radio Saturday saying his own preference is for games on a sunday evening as it gets a bigger crowd must be badly stuck for the few quid as there appears to be zero respect for players time and livelihood.

    In my experience a Saturday night is best time for a champ game, keep the semis and finals for a Sunday or whatever.

    Also on a side note, whats with the distinct lack of usage in Walsh park over last few years & in particularly this season?

    Of the 25 games or so scheduled this season in Senior Champ between Fraher and Walsh Park - Fraher has gotten 20 (11 hurling 9 football) of them and Walsh Park only 5 (all hurling)

    The above trend is in line with 2018 also, 50 games scheduled between FF & WP in 2018, 42 were played in Fraher (21 hurling & 21 football) the remaining 8 were played in Walsh Park all Senior hurling


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  • #6217
    cul beag
    Registered Users Posts: 969 ✭✭✭cul beag


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Hopefully news will come out soon who will be in charge for 2020 and what players will/wont be there

    The senior hurling Championship resumes next weekend

    Fri 26th July
    Grp 1- Dungarvan vs Clonea (7pm)
    Grp 3- DLS vs Ballyduff Upper (8.30pm)

    Sun 28th July
    Grp 2- Abbeyside vs Roanmore (1.30)
    Grp 2- Mount Sion vs Fourmilewater (1.30)
    Grp 3- Passage vs Lismore (6pm)
    Grp 1- Ballygunner vs Tallow (7.30)

    Top team and best runner up go into the QFs with the remaining teams face off in a playoff for the 4 other QF places
    Predictions for the weekend games:
    Dungarvan
    DLS
    Abbeyside
    Mt Sion
    Passage
    Ballygunner


  • #6218
    Deiseen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    thesaturdayman wrote: »
    farcical scenes in kill last night, few minutes before portlaw and ballygunner due to take the field, the game was called off due to the fog.

    now i appreciate that adverse weather conditions can happen at short notice.

    It doesnt however, explain to me why players had to wait all weekend to play an intermediate hurling game on the Sunday evening? what was wrong with the Saturday or Friday?

    Same next weekend, SH games on a sunday evening - down in fraher field again.

    Seems ridiculous scheduling, PJR was on radio Saturday saying his own preference is for games on a sunday evening as it gets a bigger crowd must be badly stuck for the few quid as there appears to be zero respect for players time and livelihood.

    In my experience a Saturday night is best time for a champ game, keep the semis and finals for a Sunday or whatever.

    Also on a side note, whats with the distinct lack of usage in Walsh park over last few years & in particularly this season?

    Of the 25 games or so scheduled this season in Senior Champ between Fraher and Walsh Park - Fraher has gotten 20 (11 hurling 9 football) of them and Walsh Park only 5 (all hurling)

    The above trend is in line with 2018 also, 50 games scheduled between FF & WP in 2018, 42 were played in Fraher (21 hurling & 21 football) the remaining 8 were played in Walsh Park all Senior hurling

    Walsh park is being upgraded so they obviously planned games in for elsewhere during the work. Oh wait.......


  • #6219
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Deiseen wrote: »
    Walsh park is being upgraded so they obviously planned games in for elsewhere during the work. Oh wait.......

    Farcical tbh but nothing new really


  • #6220
    mickotallow
    Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭mickotallow


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Hopefully news will come out soon who will be in charge for 2020 and what players will/wont be there

    The senior hurling Championship resumes next weekend

    Fri 26th July
    Grp 1- Dungarvan vs Clonea (7pm)
    Grp 3- DLS vs Ballyduff Upper (8.30pm)

    Sun 28th July
    Grp 2- Abbeyside vs Roanmore (1.30)
    Grp 2- Mount Sion vs Fourmilewater (1.30)
    Grp 3- Passage vs Lismore (6pm)
    Grp 1- Ballygunner vs Tallow (7.30)

    Top team and best runner up go into the QFs with the remaining teams face off in a playoff for the 4 other QF places

    I thought the two last games in the same group had to be played at the same time.


  • #6221
    BazBox
    Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭BazBox


    TheScoringGoal wrote: »
    The 2018 one where he was injured but made himself available anyway to do what he could? I've already covered 2019 comprehensively so I won't bore everyone by repeating it.

    If anyone questions his commitment or anything like that call up and watch him or any of the other lads training for the county over the winter. You'll only need to be there one night, he and the other panel members will be there twice, three times a week killing themselves. And despite this come the summer it's the lads who put in the hard work who will be in the firing line from fellas who's last attempt at competitive sport was a game of hop scotch that they lost to their sister.

    I beat her fair and square ok


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  • #6222
    emergingstar
    Registered Users Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭emergingstar


    Liam Cahills name should be in the hat if there is a potential for a new manager


  • #6223
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    emergingstar wrote: »
    Liam Cahills name should be in the hat if there is a potential for a new manager

    Tipp job will be available next year or the year after at which point it will be his


  • #6224
    EYEBALLSOUT
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭EYEBALLSOUT


    That was a great u20 Munster final last night. The big take away for me was both teams ability to win their own ball in the air or on the ground against their opponent.
    This has been knocked out of Waterford hurling both at club and county as we have coaches out there who think they are clever than everyone else and coach teams to try to avoid doing this. Last night when Tipp needed a goal, it was a long ball in that was broken down to young Bowe and he flicked it to Morris.

    If we go back over any of the tight games in recent past and look what happens in the last 15-20mins in matches- most are launches down on top of the forwards because of tiredness or players just doing what they’ve always done.

    Get the basics right first!


  • #6225
    thesaturdayman
    Registered Users Posts: 532 ✭✭✭thesaturdayman


    Any idea why the county board in their infinite wisdom scheduled the senior hurling games in dungarvan for the same time as the opening parade of the world games in Waterford on Sunday evening?

    Are they actively trying to discourage people?!

    Would it not been a good idea to put them on during the day in Walsh park and let people attend the parade after?

    An original idea is evidently beyond them


  • #6226
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    It is with deep regret that the Board has learned of the passing of Jim Dee former Team Secretary to the Waterford Senior Hurling team.

    All in CLG Phort Láirge would like to extend its deepest sympathy to the Dee family at this sad time.

    Due to his bereavement tomorrow nights Senior Hurling game between Dungarvan and Clonea has been postponed!

    The second game between De la Salle and Ballyduff now goes ahead at 8pm!!


  • #6227
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    https://www.gaa.ie/worldgames/

    Great to be hosting this but say it like organised chaos ha. So much going on on the one pitch ha

    I wonder are the American based lads been flown over for the championship games at the weekend


  • #6228
    Deise_2012
    Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Deise_2012


    Which county lads are gone abroad for the summer?

    Just wondering if Gleeson is still over in America. Fourmile might be worth a bet at the weekend if so. Fancy Abbeyside to get the better of Roanmore


  • #6229
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Dls 3-25- Ballyduff Upper 0-13

    DLS into the QFS


  • #6230
    Jjjjjjjjbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 650 ✭✭✭Jjjjjjjjbarry


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Dls 3-25- Ballyduff Upper 0-13

    DLS into the QFS

    Were you at it? Anyone stand out? Fagan?


  • #6231
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »
    Were you at it? Anyone stand out? Fagan?

    Wasant at it just heard the result on the radio

    Very one sided game apparently with Jake Dillion doing well


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  • #6232
    TheScoringGoal
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭TheScoringGoal


    Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »
    Were you at it? Anyone stand out? Fagan?

    Fagan did well but it was a total mis-match.


  • #6233
    Mastermcgrath
    Registered Users Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Mastermcgrath


    TheScoringGoal wrote: »
    Fagan did well but it was a total mis-match.

    This type of result does nothing to promote the hurling championship in a county already in crisis. Its been far too frequent in the last few years in a hugely imbalanced and poorly structured championship

    Senior shoukd divided into 2 groups x 6. Top 6 seeds in group A and bottom 6 in group b. Top 2 in A qualify for semis, 3rd and 4th go into 2 x quarters against top 2 in B. A competitive championship with no one sided games.


  • #6234
    TheScoringGoal
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭TheScoringGoal


    Mastermcgrath wrote: »
    This type of result does nothing to promote the hurling championship in a county already in crisis. Its been far too frequent in the last few years in a hugely imbalanced and poorly structured championship

    Senior shoukd divided into 2 groups x 6. Top 6 seeds in group A and bottom 6 in group b. Top 2 in A qualify for semis, 3rd and 4th go into 2 x quarters against top 2 in B. A competitive championship with no one sided games.

    I wouldn't argue about the specifics as another poster previously mentioned that we should reduce the amount of senior teams and have an all county premier intermediate championship which would also be an improvement. However your overall point is spot on.


  • #6235
    DiscoStew
    Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭DiscoStew


    Mastermcgrath wrote: »
    This type of result does nothing to promote the hurling championship in a county already in crisis. Its been far too frequent in the last few years in a hugely imbalanced and poorly structured championship

    Senior shoukd divided into 2 groups x 6. Top 6 seeds in group A and bottom 6 in group b. Top 2 in A qualify for semis, 3rd and 4th go into 2 x quarters against top 2 in B. A competitive championship with no one sided games.

    This system is in place in Limerick and seems to work quite well. Definitely worth trying. Teams that finish bottom of their group of 3 as it is now can still win the championship. In theory a team could lose all 3 group games, win 4 knockout games and win the competition. Doesn’t seem right. If we were to look at 2 groups of 6 going off last years standings you would have Group A of something like:
    Ballygunner
    Abbeyside
    Dls
    Passage
    Roanmore
    Mount Sion

    Group B of
    Clonea
    Ballyduff Upper
    Fourmilewater
    Lismore
    Tallow
    Dungarvan

    Tallow and Dungarvan may feel hard done by there but that’s calculated off scoring difference from quarter final results last year. Perhaps there is a better way of calculating which of the 4 losing quarter finalists go into each group.

    In terms of relegation I don’t know how it works in Limerick. Is it the bottom 2 teams in Group B go straight into the relegation final or do the bottom 4 teams simply play off in relegation semis.
    It’s a system we should certainly be looking at implementing but I’m not sure the board have the will power to move away from the current system as the shorter fixture schedule is working for them.


  • #6236
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Been said and will be said again but were miles off today's standard and something needs to happen

    We may never see Croke Park again if we dont sort this out


  • #6237
    Stopitwillya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Stopitwillya


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Been said and will be said again but were miles off today's standard and something needs to happen

    We may never see Croke Park again if we dont sort this out

    Nonsense, if we had the right manager, picking the right players and playing attacking hurling we can compete with anyone.
    Limerick today played a similar style to Waterford this year and got exactly what they deserved.


  • #6238
    ovalu
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭ovalu


    Stopitwillya wrote: »
    Nonsense, if we had the right manager, picking the right players and playing attacking hurling we can compete with anyone.
    Limerick today played a similar style to Waterford this year and got exactly what they deserved.


    100% agree, look at Conor Browne excellent today midfield for Kilkenny, Colm Roche was probably a bigger player for UCC than Browne this year yet he couldn't even get in the Waterford match day 26,
    We've plenty players from the U21 sides from 2015 to 2018 to compete with Kilkenny, Limerick etc, this year's management a disaster unfortunately


  • #6239
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    ovalu wrote: »
    this year's management a disaster unfortunately

    And they will be in charge for 2020


  • #6240
    Stopitwillya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Stopitwillya


    ovalu wrote: »
    Stopitwillya wrote: »
    Nonsense, if we had the right manager, picking the right players and playing attacking hurling we can compete with anyone.
    Limerick today played a similar style to Waterford this year and got exactly what they deserved.


    100% agree, look at Conor Browne excellent today midfield for Kilkenny, Colm Roche was probably a bigger player for UCC than Browne this year yet he couldn't even get in the Waterford match day 26,
    We've plenty players from the U21 sides from 2015 to 2018 to compete with Kilkenny, Limerick etc, this year's management a disaster unfortunately


    Yes, he is a very good player. Would like to see more of him.
    Also we need big men who can go can put up their hand and catch a ball and also able to score points in the forwards, not an oversupply of small men, unable to win their own primary possession.
    Would like to see Billy Nolan at wing forward next year. Good in the air, good shooter.
    Also Maurice needs to start. Playing unreal stuff for Lismore, posting big scores but gets hardly any game time with the county. Has got a raw deal the last few years in my book and is a much better option than lots picked ahead of him.
    Also Jack Fagan seems to be going well this year, haven't seen much of him to be honest but reports say he is well able to win his own ball and score, exactly the type of forward we need. Definitely worth a try.

    Hopefully the club scene can unearth a few more of these type of forwards and if we were to play direct like Kilkenny played today, with a decent manager, I believe we can compete with any county.


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  • #6241
    deise08
    Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    World GAA games.

    Great seeing all the different nationalities around town the past few days. Looking forward to the parade and the few acts in John Roberts Square later.
    Hopefully they get a good welcome.


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