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11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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  • #92
    cursai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    Hopefully someone kidnaps the poor child and brings him to Mexico.


  • #93
    Defaulter1831
    Registered Users Posts: 721 ✭✭✭Defaulter1831


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Or maybe just maybe they are allowing their child to express himself as he wants.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BsO6f40Bln3/?hl=en

    No one will probably bother to read his mother's comment on this post about the video in the OP because they have already made their mind up about the person she is and how terrible of a parent she it and they aren't open to having their minds changed. I for one believe her in that they are simply allowing the child to do what he wants to do and allowing him to express himself in the way that he does.

    Allowed to express himself as he wants..interesting concept..

    There's a thing called parenting which protects children until they are mature enough to make their own decisions.

    Express themselves as they want.. run through the library and mess everything up without parental reproach, be rude and mean to others etc.

    Parents can't allow children 'to express themselves as they want'. Fluffy, feel good nonsense.


  • #94
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,174 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think I saw this kid on TV before from what I remember he used watch some program which featured a lot of drag acts when he was a kid. I believe the program would have being unapproiate for kids it would have being like showing a kid Amercian Pie or something similar.
    When I was a kid I did see soaps/the did offence comedy and cartoons. I think I wanted to be a banana in pajamas or a rally driver from what I saw on TV!


  • #95
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Or maybe just maybe they are allowing their child to express himself as he wants.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BsO6f40Bln3/?hl=en

    No one will probably bother to read his mother's comment on this post about the video in the OP because they have already made their mind up about the person she is and how terrible of a parent she it and they aren't open to having their minds changed. I for one believe her in that they are simply allowing the child to do what he wants to do and allowing him to express himself in the way that he does.

    Nothing wrong with allowing their child to express himself if it's in a safe manner with boundaries in place. It crosses a line when it becomes about making money and allowing your child to become a commodity for the titillation of adults.

    Oh and also, exposing an 11 year old to drug taking, having them in nightclubs and allowing them to associate with murderers is more than letting them "express themselves"


  • #96
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Or maybe just maybe they are allowing their child to express himself as he wants.

    No one will probably bother to read his mother's comment on this post about the video in the OP because they have already made their mind up about the person she is and how terrible of a parent she it and they aren't open to having their minds changed. I for one believe her in that they are simply allowing the child to do what he wants to do and allowing him to express himself in the way that he does.

    Thankfully most kids have parents that set boundaries. F*ck. That.


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  • #97
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,139 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Thank god he didnt want to express himself through murder eh?


  • #98
    0cp71eyxkb94qf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭0cp71eyxkb94qf


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Jodie Foster was 12 years old when she played a child prostitute in Taxi Driver.
    That was in 1976.
    Penny's used to sell padded bikini tops for 7 year olds - think about that. 7 year old girls with padded bikini tops.
    This is a 'nipple tassled t-shirt' for small girls https://s24193.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Nipple-Tshirt-ENTITY.jpg

    Nipple tassles.

    Do I condone what is happening with this boy? No.
    Do I know young girls are being sexualised constantly? Yes.
    Clothing shops (including here in Ireland) are aiming products that are more overtly sexual at girls younger than Foster was when she played a prostitute.

    I could probably find girls as young as 11 dancing sexually in front of adults if I wanted to - I don't want to.

    The biggest pile of whataboutery crap I have read on boards. This is about a young boy being exposed to a sexualised environment of which he cannot comprehend yet you feel the need to say, "but wimminz have suffered more!!111".


  • #99
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Thank god he didnt want to express himself through murder eh?

    Yeah because that would be illegal. Nothing illegal about what he is doing or has done in the past even if it is reprehensible and inappropriate which is what the vast majority of people in this thread believe it to be.


  • #100
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I think I saw this kid on TV before from what I remember he used watch some program which featured a lot of drag acts when he was a kid. I believe the program would have being unapproiate for kids it would have being like showing a kid Amercian Pie or something similar.
    When I was a kid I did see soaps/the did offence comedy and cartoons. I think I wanted to be a banana in pajamas or a rally driver from what I saw on TV!

    h7B54206C


  • #101
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Kynlee Wrong Underpass wrote: »
    The biggest pile of whataboutery crap I have read on boards. This is about a young boy being exposed to a sexualised environment of which he cannot comprehend yet you feel the need to say, "but wimminz have suffered more!!111".

    Get off the stage with your faux outrage darling.

    Poster said "if girls were... yada yada"

    I pointed out girls already are... and have been for a loooong time.

    Is it ok if a girl is exposed to a sexualised environment she cannot yet comprehend?

    No.

    Is it worse when it is a boy?

    NO.

    Both are equally awful.


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  • #102
    Ultros
    Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭Ultros


    Why is this a surprise to anyone? The political left have been encouraging such behaviour for years now.

    Don't like it? Then you're a bigot. You must go through rehabilitation in your closest gender studies class.


  • #103
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    Defaulter1831 wrote: »
    Allowed to express himself as he wants..interesting concept..

    There's a thing called parenting which protects children until they are mature enough to make their own decisions.

    Parents can't allow children 'to express themselves as they want'. Fluffy, feel good nonsense.

    Sure lets tell the child exactly what they can and cannot do lets control how they behave and control who or what they aspire to be so we can mould them into the person that we(the parents) want them to be. Let's not let them choose their own path in life and decide how they want to express themselves.

    That sounds like great parenting to me.


  • #104
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    So dressing up in a girls clothing and dancing is "crossing the line" where do we set the boundary? and who decides what the appropriate boundary is?

    Surely it is up to each individual parent as to how they raise their child and choose the boundaries for their behaviour as long as it is legal. While most will argue that the boundaries set by the parents in this case are too extreme. They are the best judges of what boundaries to set in this case because they know their own child better than anyone else and would therefore, be able to set appropriate boundaries for their child.

    Who said that it's the dressing up that is crossing a line? I think most people have a problem with the performing in nightclubs and sexualisation aspect of the whole thing.

    No 11 year child should be in a nightclub, mimicking drug taking or associating with killers, no matter if the parents think it's ok. I mean there is clearly a middle ground between not allowing your child to express themselves at all and child endangerment. Most parents manage to get it right and those that don't are often subjected to intervention by the authorities


  • #105
    orourkeda1977
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭orourkeda1977


    This isnt worth comment.

    It should speak for itself.


  • #106
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Who said that it's the dressing up that is crossing a line? I think most people have a problem with the performing in nightclubs and sexualisation aspect of the whole thing.

    No 11 year child should be in a nightclub, mimicking drug taking or associating with killers, no matter if the parents think it's ok.

    "Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do. He was a ballet dancer for four years and is currently earning an A+ grade in drama at his school. He is extremely talented in his celebrity and character impersonations..........................

    He often collects tips, as drag queens sometimes do, which we allow him to keep and he uses to buy clothing and the toy trains he wants. His engagements are contracted and booked by his management agency.

    All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers. Desmond is never allowed into the bar area of any club, nor the main floor"

    It is everyone else that is sexualising it though he is treating it as a job since he is a professional drag queen hence the money being thrown at him as tips for his performance.

    Sure mimicking drug taking is not a good thing for him to be doing but that doesn't automatically mean that he is going to become a drug addict in the future. As for him associating with a killer I haven't seen evidence of that in this thread.


  • #107
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Bannasidhe wrote: »

    I pointed out girls already are... and have been for a loooong time.

    Is it ok if a girl is exposed to a sexualised environment she cannot yet comprehend?

    Both are equally awful.


    Interesting aside..
    I wonder which parent is doing the over sexualization.
    Theres no way I (or any chap i know) would buy some of the stuff on sale for (girls) kids.
    And i wouldnt regard myself as a prude.


  • #108
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    DontThankMe wrote:
    Yeah because that would be illegal. Nothing illegal about what he is doing or has done in the past even if it is reprehensible and inappropriate which is what the vast majority of people in this thread believe it to be.

    It would be illegal in a lot of countries for a child to preform in a nightclub. I doubt any club or pub in Ireland would get its licence renewed if they allowed a child to preform like this.


  • #109
    DS86DS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    Zorya wrote: »
    21077e5d7f.jpg

    Such a disgusting and degenerate subculture.


  • #110
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    What you're seeing here is a youngster imitating the gay twink culture. I googled gay twink and all you get is porn videos but you can instagram gay twink via http://instagram.com/tags/gaytwink to find a 'clean' and often very interesting collage of people of many ages, though the tendency leans towards younger ages.

    In terms of younger ages, there's the dillemma in even just browsing the profiles. That being are they 18. (often it doesn't say) Irregardless, once the kids hit puberty their parents can't really relate to them and to completely cut them off from the adult world for such a teenager can be very lonely and isolating. Plus there's the sheer numbers. 'the young twinks are 10 a penny round here.' (at least on instagram, though geographically can be very sparcely scattered)

    Here, its a 12 year old doing Britney in a nightclub. You could just enforce the over 18s only in nightclubs rule. Job done. Go perform at a daytime venue should they wish. Apologies that conventional masculine roles aren't deemed entertaining enough. (the twink thing just happens to be entertaining and a lot play up to it though would often be happier if they were taken a bit more seriously)


  • #111
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    It would be illegal in a lot of countries for a child to preform in a nightclub. I doubt any club or pub in Ireland would get its licence renewed if they allowed a child to preform like this.

    While that may be the true in other countries it is not true in this instance:

    "All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers. Desmond is never allowed into the bar area of any club, nor the main floor. It must be noted, however, that it is not illegal in NYC for a minor to be in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as they are accompanied by an adult."


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  • #112
    The Pheasant2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,699 ✭✭✭The Pheasant2


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Sure lets tell the child exactly what they can and cannot do lets control how they behave and control who or what they aspire to be so we can mould them into the person that we(the parents) want them to be. Let's not let them choose their own path in life and decide how they want to express themselves.

    That sounds like great parenting to me.

    You wouldn't know great parenting if it smacked you in the face with a shovel.

    Of course parents should encourage children to express their true selves, but within reason, they should be a guide towards a well adjusted adult.

    You make an exceedingly facile argument.
    Children are dumb and don't know what's best for them - if as an 8 year old I wanted to get SpiderMan's mask tattooed over my face it wouldn't be good parenting to allow that; even if I were to scream that I was expressing my self, it'd still be **** parenting, just like this case is.


  • #113
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,461 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    While that may be the true in other countries it is not true in this instance:

    "All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers. Desmond is never allowed into the bar area of any club, nor the main floor. It must be noted, however, that it is not illegal in NYC for a minor to be in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as they are accompanied by an adult."

    Just because an act is legal, does not make it correct nor does it make it appropriate or even at risk of sounding like a gatekeeper, moral.


  • #114
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    It is everyone else that is sexualising it though he is treating it as a job since he is a professional drag queen hence the money being thrown at him as tips for his performance.
    Can you clarify this point - who is not sexualising this, in your opinion? (Or to put it another way, who is "everyone else" here?)


  • #115
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »

    Of course parents should encourage children to express their true selves, but within reason, they should be a guide towards a well adjusted adult.

    This is very subjective though what constitutes "a well adjusted adult". The parents of this child clearly believe they are causing no harm to the child in allowing him to do what he is doing and we won't know if they are making the right or wrong choices for their child by presumably encouraging him to do what he is doing. Only time will tell if what he is doing now will have a negative effect on his life in the long run.


  • #116
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    You wouldn't know great parenting if it smacked you in the face with a shovel.

    Of course parents should encourage children to express their true selves, but within reason, they should be a guide towards a well adjusted adult.

    You make an exceedingly facile argument.
    Children are dumb and don't know what's best for them - if as an 8 year old I wanted to get SpiderMan's mask tattooed over my face it wouldn't be good parenting to allow that; even if I were to scream that I was expressing my self, it'd still be **** parenting, just like this case is.

    Unfortunately their argument of putting the child centre stage when it comes to managing the rearing of a child is very much the argument that is winning.

    It is a complete reversal of every historic example of elders guiding the young.

    Thus children now can socially transition gender without obliging schools to tell parents (as per Scottish education guidelines), and get pubertal blockers and cross sex hormones against their parents wishes (Infants Act in Canada just used in BC Children's Hospital to ensure that).

    This is the new vista and anybody who objects is a roaring fascist.


  • #117
    Snotty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Snotty


    This has nothing to do with regular LGBT communities and all about pedophiles using the LGBT to continue their sick depraved actions.
    The problem is we are so brain washed into being political correct that if something is shoved into the LGBT umbrella, then how could it possible be wrong, and if I think it's wrong, then I must be a homophobic, racist, bigot, etc etc etc.
    Bollox, this is wrong on every level, one of the first posters made the best comparison, if this was a 11yr old girl, we wouldn't even be having this conversation, people would be locked up already, but yet we have people her saying, "he can do what every he wants".
    He's 11yrs old, 5th class in primary school here, even if this was his choice, which I would bet it is not, is this the path to send your child down to be happy and healthy well rounded adult? **** no.


  • #118
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,875 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    DontThankMe wrote:
    "All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers. Desmond is never allowed into the bar area of any club, nor the main floor. It must be noted, however, that it is not illegal in NYC for a minor to be in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as they are accompanied by an adult."


    I don't doubt you. It doesn't say a lot for countries that allow it. Boy /girl, straight /gay it shouldn't be allowed. The night club owners need to take a long look at themselves. I don't buy into the paedophile thing. Gay men are attracted to gay men but the gay men & women attending these shows aren't doing the gay community any favours.


  • #119
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Sure lets tell the child exactly what they can and cannot do

    That sounds like great parenting to me.

    I know you're being sarcastic but that literally is a focal part of actual parenting.


  • #120
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    It is everyone else that is sexualising it though he is treating it as a job since he is a professional drag queen hence the money being thrown at him as tips for his performance.

    Read that back to yourself about three times. Seriously. It's an 11 year old child.


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  • #121
    DontThankMe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭DontThankMe


    cdeb wrote: »
    Can you clarify this point - who is not sexualising this, in your opinion? (Or to put it another way, who is "everyone else" here?)

    I'm on mobile so it would be difficult for me to multi quote previous posts in this thread. I believe I was wrong in saying everyone here but some of posters have made it clear that they view his performance in the nightclub as the sexualisation of the child in this case equating his performance to that of a stripper in a nightclub that is if I am interpreting their posts correctly.


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