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Hate crime? Really?

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  • #2
    Your Face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭Your Face


    I don't think we should overlook her story of being publicly belittled.
    I know it might be low on the list of hate crimes but we shouldnt look down on anyone.


  • #3
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Your Face wrote: »
    I don't think we should overlook her story of being publicly belittled.
    .

    I see what you did there.


  • #4
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Your Face wrote: »
    I don't think we should overlook her story of being publicly belittled.
    I know it might be low on the list of hate crimes but we shouldnt look down on anyone.

    It's not a hate crime.


    And anyway, the idea of a hate crime is bullsh1t. It's either a crime or it's not a crime.


  • #5
    FunLover18
    Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Seriously OP, that's the part of the story you took issue with!?


  • #6
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,174 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Can we agree that it's a small hate crime and leave it short of the full hue-and-cry? Having said that, I'd say the poor woman could have done with a stiff small one when she got home.


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  • #7
    ollkiller
    Registered Users Posts: 847 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    The Highwayman wrote: »
    There are a lot of things I'd call this behaviour but a hate crime? No, not everything you experience or dislike is a hate crime.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/sinead-burke-talks-about-the-hate-crime-that-led-to-her-new-campaign-in-dublin-schools-38007423.html

    Who cares if it is a hate crime or not. Only thing i care about is catching the idiots who demeaned her. As another poster said this thread is what you got out of that story. Have a word with yourself.


  • #8
    RayCun
    Registered Users Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Seriously OP, that's the part of the story you took issue with!?

    any excuse to complain about political correctness/SJWs/censorship ...


  • #9
    SoundsRight
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    I definitely would.


  • #10
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,126 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Wait, so she's the bad guy in this situation?


  • #11
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    whats an activist without a hate crime?


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  • #12
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Seriously OP, that's the part of the story you took issue with!?

    It seems to be the categorisation of this as a hate crime. Unacceptable, oikish bullying, utterly anti-social and obnoxious sure but legally hate crime would be hard to prove. Even so, as a label it's an easier one to hang the message of her work in schools on. The story is wrong about the location of the buildings. Had it actually been O'Connell St at lunch time it would not have been unseen


  • #13
    buried
    Registered Users Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭buried


    Bit of a pointless exercise going to schools to try to talk to the likes of those gurriers. They won't be in them.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • #14
    Force Carrier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Force Carrier


    Whilst morally and ethically reprehensible it was a commendable athletic feat.


  • #15
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    buried wrote: »
    Bit of a pointless exercise going to schools to try to talk to the likes of those gurriers. They won't be in them.
    It's more of a case of hearts and minds where you can.


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    I don't care what it's called, it's a horrible thing to do and the most important thing is that this woman was demeaned and made feel afraid and unsafe going about her daily life.

    I'm not a dwarf but I am quite small and I've had someone pick me up and literally throw me to his friend across a table of drinks, they thought it was hilarious but it frightened me and has never left me. Now I'm anxious in some situations when I never was before. I hope she's okay and her message is heeded by the people she talks to, it's a worthwhile endeavour.


  • #17
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users Posts: 44,972 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Sure most of the posts in this thread are the same as what those kids did. Making fun of her, for the amusement of people on the internet in the hopes of getting some internet points.


  • #18
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Force Carrier wrote: »
    Whilst morally and ethically reprehensible it was a commendable athletic feat.

    They should really have asked if she was willing to help out in their training for Tokyo 2020.


  • #19
    FunLover18
    Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It seems to be the categorisation of this as a hate crime. Unacceptable, oikish bullying, utterly anti-social and obnoxious sure but legally hate crime would be hard to prove. Even so, as a label it's an easier one to hang the message of her work in schools on. The story is wrong about the location of the buildings. Had it actually been O'Connell St at lunch time it would not have been unseen

    I don't think what she chooses to call this horrific, humiliating experience the likes of which very few of those posting here can imagine is worthy of an entire let alone one full of "clever" wordplay. Would anyone here correct her in person? I highly doubt it.


  • #20
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It seems to be the categorisation of this as a hate crime. Unacceptable, oikish bullying, utterly anti-social and obnoxious sure but legally hate crime would be hard to prove. Even so, as a label it's an easier one to hang the message of her work in schools on. The story is wrong about the location of the buildings. Had it actually been O'Connell St at lunch time it would not have been unseen

    To me it’s the kind of thing that does need stamping out. She should be free to walk around without worrying about being harassed.


  • #21
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    I don't think what she chooses to call this horrific, humiliating experience the likes of which very few of those posting here can imagine is worthy of an entire let alone one full of "clever" wordplay. Would anyone here correct her in person? I highly doubt it.
    I'm not demeaning the awful experience in any way. I would question her in person on her use of the term because loose use of language causes all manner of unforeseen circumstances. Incidentally before you head up to that self-anointed high road of yours I'd also have been the first one up to challenge the gurriers.


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  • #22
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Two little classless Dublin scrotes.

    Rotten thing to do, they both frightened and humiliated her.


  • #23
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    To me it’s the kind of thing that does need stamping out. She should be free to walk around without worrying about being harassed.

    Absolutely. Much of the regular anti-social issues in central Dublin are down to people in that age group.


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
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    ollkiller wrote: »
    Who cares if it is a hate crime or not. Only thing i care about is catching the idiots who demeaned her. As another poster said this thread is what you got out of that story. Have a word with yourself.

    Let's just call it a genocide and be done with it. Sure who cares what we call anything?


  • #25
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    I imagine it's called a hate crime since it only occurred because she is a dwarf. If she wasn't, it wouldn't have happened so she was targeted specifically because she was different. I don't think anyone is promoting it as the worse example of a hate crime but still, what it's called is very much a secondary consideration.


  • #26
    [Deleted User]
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    FunLover18 wrote: »
    I don't think what she chooses to call this horrific, humiliating experience the likes of which very few of those posting here can imagine is worthy of an entire let alone one full of "clever" wordplay. Would anyone here correct her in person? I highly doubt it.

    In case I have to spell it out, the assault on her was disgusting and reprehensible.

    I don't see anywhere in the article where she is quoted as referring to this attack as a "hate crime". All I see is a headline written by some idiot journalist. I bet she never called it a "hate crime".

    This kind of bullying goes on in every school up and down the country all the time. It's not hate crime, it's bullying. Calling it a "hate crime" gives it an appeal to the sick low IQ idiots who enjoy this type of thing it doesn't deserve.


  • #27
    Your Face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Your Face wrote: »
    I don't think we should overlook her story of being publicly belittled.
    I know it might be low on the list of hate crimes but we shouldnt look down on anyone.
    BattleCorp wrote: »
    It's not a hate crime.


    And anyway, the idea of a hate crime is bullsh1t. It's either a crime or it's not a crime.


    Its quite apt, that in this case, my post went over your head.


  • #28
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    OP, did she imply everything she experiences or dislikes is a hate crime? Oh yeah, of course she didn't.
    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Seriously OP, that's the part of the story you took issue with!?
    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Wait, so she's the bad guy in this situation?
    It's pretty extraordinary. I mean, I think there's merit in the view that there can be way too much sensitivity, but that doesn't mean it's necessary to become completely harsh and dismissive either. Her experience was awful - poor woman. Horrible pieces of sh1t to do that to her.

    But yeah, the bigger concern here is what she - the person who experienced it - called it. :rolleyes:
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Let's just call it a genocide and be done with it. Sure who cares what we call anything?
    Who... suggested that? :confused:


  • #29
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's not hate crime, it's bullying.

    If you're being bullied because of your color, sexual orientation, religion, disability, or any other difference, that is the definition of a hate crime.

    She was assaulted because she's a dwarf. It's not the worst hate crime imaginable but it fits the description.


  • #30
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Candie wrote: »
    I don't care what it's called, it's a horrible thing to do and the most important thing is that this woman was demeaned and made feel afraid and unsafe going about her daily life.

    I'm not a dwarf but I am quite small and I've had someone pick me up and literally throw me to his friend across a table of drinks, they thought it was hilarious but it frightened me and has never left me. Now I'm anxious in some situations when I never was before. I hope she's okay and her message is heeded by the people she talks to, it's a worthwhile endeavour.

    You can’t compare what happened to you and the lady in the article IMHO, you were physically lifted, I’d go as far as to say assaulted. Nobody actually interfered with that lady, they didn’t touch her.
    Candie wrote: »
    I imagine it's called a hate crime since it only occurred because she is a dwarf. If she wasn't, it wouldn't have happened so she was targeted specifically because she was different. I don't think anyone is promoting it as the worse example of a hate crime but still, what it's called is very much a secondary consideration.

    It’s not a hate crime, no hatred was shown towards her, nobody tried to incite hatred. Two young fellas had a laugh at her expense alright, but that was it. Had they touched her, verbally abused her etc., then you’d have a point.


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  • #31
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Candie wrote: »
    If you're being bullied because of your color, sexual orientation, religion, disability, or any other difference, that is the definition of a hate crime.

    She was assaulted because she's a dwarf. It's not the worst hate crime imaginable but it fits the description.

    A definition of a hate crime requires violence. There was extreme harassment, bullying and very anti-social behaviour here.


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