Sanctions system to be introduced after assault on referee

newmember2 · 16-11-2018 2:28pm #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1116/1011354-referee-sanctions/

Would post this in the soccer forum if I could but how does the proposal make any sense? Would a 10-year ban for any assault on a referee not make more sense?
Instead we're going to have a 'tiered' system of assaults on referees. And the referees agreed to this?

Graces7 · 16-11-2018 5:20pm

newmember? wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1116/1011354-referee-sanctions/

Would post this in the soccer forum if I could but how does the proposal make any sense? Would a 10-year ban for any assault on a referee not make more sense?
Instead we're going to have a 'tiered' system of assaults on referees. And the referees agreed to this?

Please read the article carefully as it is not as you are seeing it? A year out for a professional sportsman is very serious and could given the reasons end his career.

And for a terrible assault like this, a life ban

riffmongous · 16-11-2018 5:36pm

I presume it will be tiered in the sense of maybe putting your hands on a red or verbal abuse will be at the lower end while violent conduct will be treated very severely?

Fr_Dougal · 16-11-2018 5:39pm

You should apply for access to the soccerball forum.

Blazer · 16-11-2018 5:44pm

hopefully the scum who attacked him get lifetime bans from the sport, lifetime bans from all soccer matches and a 5 year prison sentence...especially the last part.

NIMAN · 16-11-2018 5:47pm

Why do we need new rules?

Is GBH and assault not enough to charge people on? The location where assault happens should be irrelevant.

vicwatson · 16-11-2018 5:52pm

newmember? wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1116/1011354-referee-sanctions/

Would post this in the soccer forum if I could but how does the proposal make any sense? Would a 10-year ban for any assault on a referee not make more sense?
Instead we're going to have a 'tiered' system of assaults on referees. And the referees agreed to this?

A 10 year prison sentence for assault would be better, people would think twice then

riffmongous · 16-11-2018 5:52pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Why do we need new rules?

Is GBH and assault not enough to charge people on? The location where assault happens should be irrelevant.

Well that's separate to any soccer bans, it's good to have lifetime bans in addition to any prison sentence

newmember2 · 16-11-2018 7:33pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Please read the article carefully as it is not as you are seeing it? A year out for a professional sportsman is very serious and could given the reasons end his career.

And for a terrible assault like this, a life ban

It's clearly sending out the message that you can still assault a ref as long as it's on the lower scale and you'll get a lesser punishment. Like wtf?
Dissent is one thing but assault should be loud and clear - hands off the ref - and anyone who disagrees shouldn't be playing the game and can have a 10-year rest to think about it.

orourkeda1977 · 16-11-2018 10:01pm

vicwatson wrote: »

A 10 year prison sentence for assault would be better, people would think twice then

That would imply that they'd thought once to begin with.

Edgware · 16-11-2018 10:12pm

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

That would imply that they'd thought once to begin with.

Or had the ability to think

uch · 16-11-2018 11:46pm

I used to be a referee and think a lifetime ban and community service, used to get the worst abuse in Ballybrack, but after the match you'd be approached by several people and they'd appologise for their behavior, all oxo as far as I was concerned, but when you'd be in a supposedly nice area like Mount Merrion, you'd get pricks confronting you, so I'd stop the game and tell the managers that the game wouldn't resume until they removed the prick, now I'm handy enough without being Van Damme, but I've had a few come after me, and I'm a small fat lad, but in my experience, if you get this in the car park, I used to square up and start roaring out of me, if they kept it up, we had a problem and on 1 or 2 occasions i've bursted cúnts that wouldn't back down, I had to give it up because it was becoming too common in the 'Nice Area's' and I didn't need more time in a Garda station

Graces7 · 17-11-2018 8:06am

newmember? wrote: »

It's clearly sending out the message that you can still assault a ref as long as it's on the lower scale and you'll get a lesser punishment. Like wtf?
Dissent is one thing but assault should be loud and clear - hands off the ref - and anyone who disagrees shouldn't be playing the game and can have a 10-year rest to think about it.

You forget that in Ireland sports personalities are a little less than gods....

Not like us ordinary mortals.

RasTa · 17-11-2018 11:45am

Wouldn't happen in Rugby

Noveight · 17-11-2018 11:54am

RasTa wrote: »

Wouldn't happen in Rugby

Only a plastic rugby fan myself but one of my favorite aspects of the game is the respect the refs get. It’s a great understanding.

Football players getting in a refs face looking childish and petulant in comparison.

seagull · 20-11-2018 5:50pm

Why is it that football has allowed it to reach this level? Try swearing at the umpire in a hockey match and you'll find yourself straight off the pitch. Similarly with rugby.

josip · 23-11-2018 5:39pm

40 year bans for the 3 players, so that's the playing careers over

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/1123/1012861-three-players-and-spectator-handed-bans-over-ref-attack/

plus another 40 year ban for the spectator who was already serving a similar ban, so not sure how effective bans at a spectator level will be.

Has anyone found a thread on this over in the soccer forum?
Ive searched but couldn't find anything.

23-11-2018 5:54pm

no names?

sheer cowardice in reporting, that

josip · 23-11-2018 5:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

no names?

sheer cowardice in reporting, that

They can probably only reveal names in the event of a court case?

23-11-2018 6:01pm

josip wrote: »

They can probably only reveal names in the event of a court case?

i considered that but three of them were named in this event and a fourth noted as "unnamed"

the fact that they have been banned is a news item

i dont think its in any way arguable that there is a prohibition on their names being reported as part of the facts of this

as to whether they can be named as definitely having done the act prior to a trial, fair enough

kildare lad · 23-11-2018 6:17pm

My son started playing GAA this year, we played about 5 blitz's in various clubs and the level of abuse the refs gets is unreal. Most of these refs are teenagers from the host clubs and to be honest if i was them id say no, if was asked to do them in the future. I was asked to do umpire in our clubs blitz and in one game i gave a point that was 50/50 as its hard to judge as the posts arent that high. Well the abuse i got for the side line was unreal, TBH it didnt bother me, but when your volunteering you shouldnt have to put up with that crap. After the game the referee who was 16 btw, was confronted by 3 adults and given dogs of abuse as well. This is at under 10's level. I come from a rugby background and you'd never see any crap like that.

23-11-2018 6:22pm

josip wrote: »

40 year bans for the 3 players, so that's the playing careers over

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/1123/1012861-three-players-and-spectator-handed-bans-over-ref-attack/

plus another 40 year ban for the spectator who was already serving a similar ban, so not sure how effective bans at a spectator level will be.

Has anyone found a thread on this over in the soccer forum?
Ive searched but couldn't find anything.

The “spectator” was banned from playing in 2007 because of this

https://www.offalyindependent.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2007/11/23/26560-clara-referee-assaulted-in-junior-soccer-game

lertsnim · 23-11-2018 8:19pm

Are the Gardaí investigating? This is the 2nd time one of the scrotes has assaulted someone at a match.

Sanctions system to be introduced after assault on referee

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