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Mars 2020 Missions

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    AMKC wrote: »
    So the Sky crane just crashed then is that it? That's a pity that it could have not at least landed to be used in later missions maybe be refuelled by machine or by humans. Seems bit of wasted potential.
    Don't get me started on the tungsten weights.

    The skycrane was so that the rover wouldn't get contaminated by rocket exhaust or somesuch. Because that might contaminate the samples.

    Thin atmosphere so can't just use bigger parachute.

    But a helicopter ... hmm...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    If Covid makes it to Mars it will kill everybody there.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    If Covid makes it to Mars it will kill everybody there.
    Untrue.

    But if it makes it there before the vaccinations are fully rolled out then no humans will survive.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    AMKC wrote: »
    So the Sky crane just crashed then is that it? That's a pity that it could have not at least landed to be used in later missions maybe be refuelled by machine or by humans. Seems bit of wasted potential.

    If would introduce additional complexity to design it in such a way plus it would need to carry extra fuel as mentioned. It did the job it was designed to do and probably would have limited potential for further uses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,953 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    That was simply stunning footage. The sky behind when the parachutes opened. For some reason that, for me, really hits home that this is a whole other world. For decades we have had (admittedly pretty cool) photos of rocks and the ground and the occasional space squirrel :) but the quick glimpse of a sky that looks so similar to our own (But isn't) was fantastic. Hopefully the cameras are sensitive enough to get some decent night shots. Would be fantastic to see the Martian night sky in HD photos.

    But yeah, video from another world. Fantastic. Hopefully future generations will see posts like this ("Video from another world") while they walk on said worlds and think how twee and cute our excitement was (Look, 540 kilobytes on one disc!!!)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Shlippery wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/NASAPersevere/status/1363929492138254340

    That is one of the coolest fcking things i've seen. wow. All the angles!

    Was listening to some of the engineers who worked on the skycrane, which was originally conceived 15 years ago for Curiosity, and the video of it delivering Perseverance is the first time that've actually seen it working as designed. Obviously they tested all the aspects of it extensively on earth, but that was the first time they saw it working as a complete unit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Was listening to some of the engineers who worked on the skycrane, which was originally conceived 15 years ago for Curiosity, and the video of it delivering Perseverance is the first time that've actually seen it working as designed. Obviously they tested all the aspects of it extensively on earth, but that was the first time they saw it working as a complete unit.

    it's absolutely incredible, honestly, most of my mates brush it off as boring but when you look at the big picture, the launch windows, the length of the journey, all the planning. so impressive!


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    The skycrane is an incredibly impressive feat of 21st Century engineering. It is very cutting edge - and has a futuristic vibe to it like robotic vacuum cleaners, lawnmowers, self drive cars etc.

    The fact that it has performed flawlessly twice in a row on Mars is a testament to the engineers who designed and built the thing. The Americans have got very good at successfully putting hardware on Mars. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67


    Folks


    Just wonding if anyone has any thoughts about other reasons why countries are so keen to get to Mars. I'm sure the main reason is life etc , I'm inclined to think that even if there was that it'll be very hard to find after such a long time...My theory is they are really looking for minerals for future mining??
    possible?


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,782 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Just wonding if anyone has any thoughts about other reasons why countries are so keen to get to Mars. I'm sure the main reason is life etc , I'm inclined to think that even if there was that it'll be very hard to find after such a long time...My theory is they are really looking for minerals for future mining?? possible?

    Its for all of the above really, Its for our forever wonder, are we alone, it's for possible future mining purposes, possible future colonisation, discovery of our neighbourhood, possible future........


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  • Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Its for all of the above really, Its for our forever wonder, are we alone, it's for possible future mining purposes, possible future colonisation, discovery of our neighbourhood, possible future........




    I wander?!! lol


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020



    Does anyone know why hygiene seems to be so important during the construction of space exploration machinery and in particular these Mars Rovers.....any time there is a clip of the rover during construction the entire engineering/science team are head to toe in white suits and masks as if they are in the COVID ward of a hospital...? Is it to do with minimising the amount of human/earth bacteria that could end up being transported to Mars and destroying whatever microbial life that there might be there......you would imagine that the 6 month trip through space and subsequent atmospheric decent to surface would have destroyed anything that would have attached to the craft/rover...??


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,418 ✭✭✭✭Alun




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    Does anyone know why hygiene seems to be so important during the construction of space exploration machinery and in particular these Mars Rovers.....any time there is a clip of the rover during construction the entire engineering/science team are head to toe in white suits and masks as if they are in the COVID ward of a hospital...? Is it to do with minimising the amount of human/earth bacteria that could end up being transported to Mars and destroying whatever microbial life that there might be there......you would imagine that the 6 month trip through space and subsequent atmospheric decent to surface would have destroyed anything that would have attached to the craft/rover...??

    That and imagine if they found living microbes on Mars.
    Life on Mars!
    Except they're exactly the same microbes that exist on earth.
    Galactic co-incidence or contamination?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,987 ✭✭✭jkforde


    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    Does anyone know why hygiene seems to be so important during the construction of space exploration machinery and in particular these Mars Rovers.....any time there is a clip of the rover during construction the entire engineering/science team are head to toe in white suits and masks as if they are in the COVID ward of a hospital...? Is it to do with minimising the amount of human/earth bacteria that could end up being transported to Mars and destroying whatever microbial life that there might be there......you would imagine that the 6 month trip through space and subsequent atmospheric decent to surface would have destroyed anything that would have attached to the craft/rover...??

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/tardigrades-become-first-animals-to-survive-vacuum-of-space

    also, the rover is 100% protected by the heat shield and back shell during EDL so entry would not affect any hitchhikers!

    🌦️ 6.7kwp, 45°, SSW, mid-Galway 🌦️



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    https://m.soundcloud.com/nasa/perseverance-mars-supercam-laser-impacts-on-rock-target/s-5xUEkUbSPpW

    "This is the first acoustic recording of laser impacts on a rock target on Mars from March 2, 2021, the 12th sol (Martian day) from Perseverance’s SuperCam instrument. The sounds of 30 impacts are heard, some slightly louder than others. Variations in the intensity of the zapping sounds will provide information on the physical structure of the targets, such as its relative hardness or the presence of weathering coatings. The target, Máaz (“Mars” in Navajo), was about 10 feet (3.1 m) away."


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭josip


    https://m.soundcloud.com/nasa/perseverance-mars-supercam-laser-impacts-on-rock-target/s-5xUEkUbSPpW

    "This is the first acoustic recording of laser impacts on a rock target on Mars from March 2, 2021, the 12th sol (Martian day) from Perseverance’s SuperCam instrument. The sounds of 30 impacts are heard, some slightly louder than others. Variations in the intensity of the zapping sounds will provide information on the physical structure of the targets, such as its relative hardness or the presence of weathering coatings. The target, Máaz (“Mars” in Navajo), was about 10 feet (3.1 m) away."

    That's the cover story.
    I'd imagine that ever since Spirit and Opportunity, the JPL guys have been nagging if they can zap stuff with lasers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Just read a comment on facebook:

    120 years ago they thought Martians would invade earth with laser-wielding robots...


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭refusetolose




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,155 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Seeing a few composite images, stitched together from photos taken by the WATSON cam on the robotic arm

    https://twitter.com/ucidennis/status/1379661847549210624


    https://twitter.com/_TheSeaning/status/1379663922693824512


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/status/290/work-progresses-toward-ingenuity-s-first-flight-on-mars/

    Ingenuity was due to fly yesterday, but now it's slightly delayed.

    Needs a bit of a firmware update before it'll fly!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1KolyCqICI

    95 mins or so til coverage kicks off!

    Not sure how much we'll see but will be cool to listen in and not get anything done at work today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Shlippery


    They did it!

    Photo from the heli and brief footage from Percy should be posted somewhere soon! So coool!


    https://twitter.com/TGMetsFan98/status/1384098128450580489

    https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1384098659562786820


    Full Vid:
    https://twitter.com/NASAJPL/status/1384202604620632074


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Wonderful news from NASA: after completing its fourth successful test flight on April 30, the little Mars Ingenuity helicopter is to have its initial test mission extended for another month, where engineers at NASA will command the mini-chopper to fly further and higher than previous tests, to see if Ingenuity can act as a “scout” for the Perseverance rover.

    Article here:
    https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/992739491/nasa-makes-new-plans-for-ingenuity-helicopter-on-mars?t=1619998883183


    Ingenuity in mid-flight, as seen by the Perseverance rover
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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Meanwhile, on the other side of the planet, the Chinese Zhurong lander and rover made a successful landing just over a week ago. This makes China only the third nation, after the a USA and Russia, to achieve a successful soft landing on Mars.*

    Zhurong’s successful landing means that now there are four active landers on Mars: NASA’s Curiosity that landed in 2012, NASA’s InSight seismic detection lander (2018), Perseverance rover and Ingenuity helicopter in February of this year and now Zhurong. Well done to China! :)

    It has taken a few days for the first images to be returned from Zhurong, but here they are:


    11417_6qupmjab9ffxl2w1.jpeg



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    *The then Soviet Union’s Mars 3 lander made a successful soft landing back in 1971, but landed as a major dust storm was raging and ceased transmitting data after only 20 seconds, not enough to return a single image.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    So over two weeks have passed and no new images from the Chinese Zhurong lander. :( This is getting to be very concerning...

    I know the Chinese are very secretive and probably very proud to ask for help, but it does seem that unfortunately some technical issue has emerged with the rover/lander given the complete dearth of images - and they are possibly too suspicious and/or proud to ask NASA, the ESA etc who have good communication relay orbiters at Mars to ask for help.

    We will just have to see what the Chinese do next.


    Meanwhile, NASA’s Perseverance rover at Jezero crater is getting underway on its primary science mission to examine the geology of its landing area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    So over two weeks have passed and no new images from the Chinese Zhurong lander. :( This is getting to be very concerning...

    I know the Chinese are very secretive and probably very proud to ask for help, but it does seem that unfortunately some technical issue has emerged with the rover/lander given the complete dearth of images - and they are possibly too suspicious and/or proud to ask NASA, the ESA etc who have good communication relay orbiters at Mars to ask for help.

    We will just have to see what the Chinese do next.


    Meanwhile, NASA’s Perseverance rover at Jezero crater is getting underway on its primary science mission to examine the geology of its landing area.

    Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter took pictures of the Chinese landing site on the 6th June which shows the rover is off the lander and has moved a bit to the south of it so it appears to be alive.

    https://www.uahirise.org/hipod/ESP_069665_2055

    Why we have heard nothing from China is anyone's guess but seems to be their usual secretive approach to these things which is a bit sad really when compared to NASAs open approach.

    ESP_069665_2055.jpg


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭Shlippery



    Quite cool.


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