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Imagine rejecting a 600k house

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/opinion-poll-politics-2-5166225-Aug2020/

    Sf will be largest party next time round , unless ffg do something about housing... which they wont.... too busy giving it away to many , instead of charging reasonable rents and using it to fund more social and affordable for others...

    Prepared to lose a lot of support and seats , due to stiffing their own ex voters. But are such cowards , theyd rather do that than appear to charge the likes of margaret cash more rent. Pathetic here that rte are actually running the show , as the politicians are spineless wasters...


    accept rte don't run the show.
    get over it, rte are not going to be your little propaganda machine.
    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Another peasant apologist coming out of the woodwork

    no just an individual who doesn't spend their day ranting, whinging and whining over nothing on a website, who actually understands real life and how things actually work.
    Not quite that standard, my masters degree is enough I suppose.

    The username was created to trigger the scum apologists who cuck to the extreme on these topics, I'll last as long as I please and won't be told otherwise by someone named after a sh1t tent.

    Profound personality disorder, nah. Mild autism, possibly.

    you cook to more of an extreme then the mythical "scum" appologists ever could tbh.
    Captcha wrote: »
    This is sick... To pay so much and have someone next door paying so little... Would it not bring conflict between these neighbours eventually? Perhaps serious conflict?


    it's brilliant, one of the best things ever brought in.
    mixing people of all income types together can and will eventually remove classism and classist bigotry from society, so is and was necessary to modernise ireland.
    i'm sure there will be some conflict but look, that's life, the main goal being achieved is the important thing.
    if the conflict ends up being serious, then the authorities have to get involved where required.
    Captcha wrote: »
    On top of that, imagine going out to work every day to pay your massive mortgage and interest rates, barely having much left over each month... Then watching someone is the same beautiful new house, doing absolutely f all with their life/time and sitting out in the sun watching you head off to the rat race after getting theirs for f all from government... Totally unjust. I would f ing hate my neighbours if this was the case

    that's just life and the market, people often get things similar to someone else but for other rates.
    it's perfectly just as otherwise there could never be discounts and all else, + in the case of housing people on low incomes who are availing of social housing are charged based on their income so are charged the correct rate based on all of the evidence.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Captcha


    accept rte don't run the show.
    get over it, rte are not going to be your little propaganda machine.



    no just an individual who doesn't spend their day ranting, whinging and whining over nothing on a website, who actually understands real life and how things actually work.



    you cook to more of an extreme then the mythical "scum" appologists ever could tbh.




    it's brilliant, one of the best things ever brought in.
    mixing people of all income types together can and will eventually remove classism and classist bigotry from society, so is and was necessary to modernise ireland.
    i'm sure there will be some conflict but look, that's life, the main goal being achieved is the important thing.
    if the conflict ends up being serious, then the authorities have to get involved where required.



    that's just life and the market, people often get things similar to someone else but for other rates.
    it's perfectly just as otherwise there could never be discounts and all else, + in the case of housing people on low incomes who are availing of social housing are charged based on their income so are charged the correct rate based on all of the evidence.

    plenty of spare time for crime or cash based work, nice free base to jump from and close targets to harass either directly or indirectly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Captcha


    Captcha wrote: »
    plenty of spare time for crime or cash based work, nice free base to jump from and close targets to harass either directly or indirectly.

    thats not even taking into consideration that house prices go up for the nice houses when a % of them are given for basically nothing to people who do not deserve top of the range houses in the best areas.

    less houses means market f uks the people with higher prices who are actually buying when they buy ... if you buy a family home its going to be even more painful to pay back


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Captcha wrote: »
    plenty of spare time for crime or cash based work, nice free base to jump from and close targets to harass either directly or indirectly.


    engaging in cash based work is not specific to any group of people.
    Captcha wrote: »
    thats not even taking into consideration that house prices go up for the nice houses when a % of them are given for basically nothing to people who do not deserve top of the range houses in the best areas.

    less houses means market f uks the people with higher prices who are actually buying when they buy ... if you buy a family home its going to be even more painful to pay back

    house prices go up and down for all sorts of reasons, that is what happens with a housing market.
    individuals in social housing deserve top of the range houses in the best areas if that is what is available because the government won't engage in a social house building program which they should have always being doing.
    if you voted for ff or fg, this is what you have voted for for decades.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    engaging in cash based work is not specific to any group of people.

    Finding work 'off the books', dodgy expense claims or other ways around tax is more acceptable if you pay a mortgage or have two cars in the drive.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    kenmm wrote: »
    Finding work 'off the books', dodgy expense claims or other ways around tax is more acceptable if you pay a mortgage or have two cars in the drive.


    oh indeed, funny that isn't it.
    it would make you think that perhapse it's not the behaviour being engaged in at all that is the issue, but rather individuals looking for an excuse to sit around all day ranting about wellfare on the internet.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Best system of "social housing" was when local authorities rented new builds to people who eventually came to own them. Huge numbers of working people did that and it was a positive social asset and created one of biggest home ownerships in Europe. Wouldn't vote for FF in a blue fit, but it was one of their better initiatives.

    How is this the best system of social housing?
    • Government builds social housing
    • Government sells if off for a song, transferring a big chunk of the states's wealth to a lucky few private individuals (enormous amounts of wealth, in some instances - if you have a former corporation house in Raheny with one of those big side-gardens, it would be worth close to a million).
    • Government has no more houses for social housing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73,363 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    El Tarangu wrote: »
    How is this the best system of social housing?
    • Government builds social housing
    • Government sells if off for a song, transferring a big chunk of the states's wealth to a lucky few private individuals (enormous amounts of wealth, in some instances - if you have a former corporation house in Raheny with one of those big side-gardens, it would be worth close to a million).
    • Government has no more houses for social housing.

    Don’t forget local authorities knocking entire estates because of bad tenants. Then build new estates down the road for the same people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    The no.1 reason for rejecting houses is antisocial behaviour / bad area

    The no.1 reason for damage expenses js antisocial behaviour

    The no.1 reason no private tenant wants social housing next to them is antisocial behaviour

    The reason you end up losing social housing and having half boarded up estates like moyross is antisocial behaviour.

    We could save ourselves so many units from destruction and build new units without creating ghettos if we just acknowledged the elephant in the room and said that the bad eggs should all be shoved off to a scum village somewhere rurally away from the rest of society.

    Continuing down a path without recognising this only does a dis service to decent tenants and those in private developments with social elements


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Even better - Give em (whoever 'they' me be) the bullet - save the cost of shipping them anywhere?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    The no.1 reason for rejecting houses is antisocial behaviour / bad area

    The no.1 reason for damage expenses js antisocial behaviour

    The no.1 reason no private tenant wants social housing next to them is antisocial behaviour

    The reason you end up losing social housing and having half boarded up estates like moyross is antisocial behaviour.

    We could save ourselves so many units from destruction and build new units without creating ghettos if we just acknowledged the elephant in the room and said that the bad eggs should all be shoved off to a scum village somewhere rurally away from the rest of society.

    Continuing down a path without recognising this only does a dis service to decent tenants and those in private developments with social elements




    scum villages are not going to happen, they are impractical anyway.
    if you want anti-social behaviour dealt with there are 2 things that have to be done.
    1. stop voting for the big 2 parties who have refused to actually deal with the issue and who refuse to fund and resource those charged with dealing with the issue.
    2. enforce the effing law.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    scum villages are not going to happen, they are impractical anyway.
    if you want anti-social behaviour dealt with there are 2 things that have to be done.
    1. stop voting for the big 2 parties who have refused to actually deal with the issue and who refuse to fund and resource those charged with dealing with the issue.
    2. enforce the effing law.

    What party actually has the balls to do that here though. Nobody in politics wants to get tough on scum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 316 ✭✭confusedeire


    hi! wrote: »
    Or those who work hard but can’t afford their own home or rent and are stuck living at home with their parents in their late 20s :(

    Wishful thinking. now its mid 30s still living with parents....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    Captcha wrote: »
    On top of that, imagine going out to work every day to pay your massive mortgage and interest rates, barely having much left over each month... Then watching someone is the same beautiful new house, doing absolutely f all with their life/time and sitting out in the sun watching you head off to the rat race after getting theirs for f all from government... Totally unjust. I would f ing hate my neighbours if this was the case

    That hatred will eat you up one day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    What party actually has the balls to do that here though. Nobody in politics wants to get tough on scum.

    You get the government you deserve. The situation isn't changing anytime soon so maybe time to up sticks?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,834 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The no.1 reason for rejecting houses is antisocial behaviour / bad area

    The no.1 reason for damage expenses js antisocial behaviour

    The no.1 reason no private tenant wants social housing next to them is antisocial behaviour

    The reason you end up losing social housing and having half boarded up estates like moyross is antisocial behaviour.

    We could save ourselves so many units from destruction and build new units without creating ghettos if we just acknowledged the elephant in the room and said that the bad eggs should all be shoved off to a scum village somewhere rurally away from the rest of society.

    Continuing down a path without recognising this only does a dis service to decent tenants and those in private developments with social elements

    What are you talking about man? The hypocrites here would love to love to live beside anti social scum , take one for the team ! Isnt it the best method sure, you think putting scum beside civil people, will change the scum ? Lol !

    Its actually gone beyomd a comedy here, suppprting free housing, paid by working poor! In the states last year and id be deemed left wing over there ! Throwimg endless resources scum and empoverishing many people in **** situations as a result!


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    What are you talking about man? The hypocrites here would love to love to live beside anti social scum , take one for the team ! Isnt it the best method sure, you think putting scum beside civil people, will change the scum ? Lol !

    Its actually gone beyomd a comedy here, suppprting free housing, paid by working poor! In the states last year and id be deemed left wing over there ! Throwimg endless resources scum and empoverishing many people in **** situations as a result!

    there is no free housing, there is subsidized housing.
    the working poor pay for all sorts just like the working non-poor, that's how the country can be run, due to paying taxes, f there were no taxes there would be no nothing and then you would really know about it.
    we don't throw endless resources scum (whatever that means, presumably you mean at scum) and the same people in poverty now would still be so even if we had no wellfare dependants.
    so yeah, more ranting over nothing, and by the way, the states simply throw money at every issue they have even when it actually makes it 100 times worse.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭Captcha


    That hatred will eat you up one day.

    Hate is a primitive emotion that I mostly rid myself of a few years ago in my late 20's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Knock that sense of moral superiority on the head and you are good to go then? :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    there is no free housing, there is subsidized housing.

    If you’re on social welfare and in social housing you have a free house.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭boombang


    The no.1 reason for rejecting houses is antisocial behaviour / bad area

    The no.1 reason for damage expenses js antisocial behaviour

    The no.1 reason no private tenant wants social housing next to them is antisocial behaviour

    The reason you end up losing social housing and having half boarded up estates like moyross is antisocial behaviour.

    We could save ourselves so many units from destruction and build new units without creating ghettos if we just acknowledged the elephant in the room and said that the bad eggs should all be shoved off to a scum village somewhere rurally away from the rest of society.

    Continuing down a path without recognising this only does a dis service to decent tenants and those in private developments with social elements

    It took me so long to realise the truth of all this. So many of our housing problems could simply be solved by enforcing control of anti-social behaviour. I don't know when we'll cop on to this at a societal level. We need to grow some balls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Yeah. Man up, don't take that anymore! Lets be tough! Get some slogans, fix society!


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    If you’re on social welfare and in social housing you have a free house.




    no you are in a subsidized house.

    boombang wrote: »
    It took me so long to realise the truth of all this. So many of our housing problems could simply be solved by enforcing control of anti-social behaviour. I don't know when we'll cop on to this at a societal level. We need to grow some balls.


    we have grown plenty of balls.
    we just aren't willing to pay for the resources to get those balls working.

    shut down alcohol action ireland now! end MUP today!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,650 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    The no.1 reason for rejecting houses is antisocial behaviour / bad area

    The no.1 reason for damage expenses js antisocial behaviour

    The no.1 reason no private tenant wants social housing next to them is antisocial behaviour

    The reason you end up losing social housing and having half boarded up estates like moyross is antisocial behaviour.

    We could save ourselves so many units from destruction and build new units without creating ghettos if we just acknowledged the elephant in the room and said that the bad eggs should all be shoved off to a scum village somewhere rurally away from the rest of society.

    Continuing down a path without recognising this only does a dis service to decent tenants and those in private developments with social elements

    we know this though. 'anti social behaviour' is caused by many, many things. To solve it you need to fix a million other issues ... its not something you can wave a magic want at. Your answer of 'the bad eggs should all be shoved off to a scum village somewhere rurally away from the rest of society' is too simplistic and would only create bigger slums.

    There needs to be an answer, agreed, but creating slums isnt it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭Sinus pain


    If you’re on social welfare and in social housing you have a free house.

    If you’re on social welfare and you have a mortgage also free housing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    What are you talking about man? The hypocrites here would love to love to live beside anti social scum , take one for the team ! Isnt it the best method sure, you think putting scum beside civil people, will change the scum ? Lol !

    Its actually gone beyomd a comedy here, suppprting free housing, paid by working poor! In the states last year and id be deemed left wing over there ! Throwimg endless resources scum and empoverishing many people in **** situations as a result!

    Social housing isn't free.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Social housing isn't free.

    You're absolutely right.

    It isnt free.

    Its costs hard working taxpayers a fortune.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    The no.1 reason for rejecting houses is antisocial behaviour / bad area

    The no.1 reason for damage expenses js antisocial behaviour

    The no.1 reason no private tenant wants social housing next to them is antisocial behaviour

    The reason you end up losing social housing and having half boarded up estates like moyross is antisocial behaviour.

    We could save ourselves so many units from destruction and build new units without creating ghettos if we just acknowledged the elephant in the room and said that the bad eggs should all be shoved off to a scum village somewhere rurally away from the rest of society.

    Continuing down a path without recognising this only does a dis service to decent tenants and those in private developments with social elements

    You're describing a failure of the Gardai, Courts and support services, not a social housing problem. Better funded Gardai, legal reform (ie no-one roaming the streets with 20+ convictions) and support services for mental health & addiction are the solutions to what you are describing.

    Proposing that a group of people be put into a ghetto puts you in the company of some very unsavoury characters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    You're absolutely right.

    It isnt free.

    Its costs hard working taxpayers a fortune.

    Thats right. People like me who work hard paying tax and live in social housing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Thats right. People like me who work hard paying tax and live in social housing.

    You can't be both - not these days.

    Scumbag thief or hardworking tax payer, what is it now?


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