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Putting your pronoun on Linkedin

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  • #62
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    More helpful would be which title they needed to be addressed by. The "Dear Miss" etc used to be a pain, but now I just address everyone with "Dear Dr" (in academia, so it doesn't make me seem too ignorant).


  • #63
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about this.

    Why do people care?


  • #64
    mvl
    Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    Wibbs wrote: »
    He/She/Fuck off. Sorted.

    Have the same feeling about ppl using cis as prefix - you refer to me as cis-woman on forums, you'll get an eff off from me. --> actually, I am waiting for boards to come up with an avatar for this, so that I don't have to say it every time.
    On the serious side, if anyone hears about a new coined title for ppl who're against ageism at work (ageism as promoted by companies like google - you're 40 you can't get a job) - give us a shout.


  • #65
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about this.

    Why do people care?

    Compulsion, m'dear. Compulsion.

    the action or state of forcing or being forced to do something; constraint.


  • #66
    Rologyro
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Rologyro


    How about “vag owner” or “dick owner” as pronouns?

    “What did the vag owner say then?”


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  • #67
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about this.

    Why do people care?
    Indeed were it not for those who seem to want to use them they would be ignored.


  • #68
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    GalwayGrrrrrl wrote: »
    It’s not just happening on linked in. Twitter has a lot of professional groups on it and I’ve seen it multiple times on there. I don’t see the harm in it tbh. GalwayGrrrrrl she/her


    Pics or GTFO


  • #69
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Rologyro wrote: »
    How about “vag owner” or “dick owner” as pronouns?

    “What did the vag owner say then?”

    Cancer Research UK is way ahead of you. They refer to women as ''anyone who has a cervix''. The British Medical Association officially advises the use of Pregnant People instead of pregnant women. The Guardian refered to women as menstruators. I have yet to notice men being called scrotum havers or penis people but I await at leisure.


  • #70
    brevity
    Registered Users Posts: 8,459 ✭✭✭brevity


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about this.

    Why do people care?

    I don’t care really, call yourself what ever you want. I’m not that precious about language.I remember der/die/das in German!

    The problem is that I could lose my job and have my reputation damaged because I innocently said the wrong pronoun.


  • #71
    Huntergonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Huntergonzo


    No harm in people putting their personal pronouns up on Linkedin, be very handy if you're running a business and looking to hire. Be best to avoid anybody who feels the need to share their personal pronouns with the world.

    Imagine the toxic atmosphere in a workplace where you had to walk on eggshells all day for fear of 'offending' someone.

    Regards

    Huntergonzo (carrott, banana, buttplug)


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  • #72
    mvl
    Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    Have seen a discussion recently about the challenges moderators have today in Stack Overflow when handling gender neutral and more recently preferred pronouns (updates to the Code of Conduct)

    Info at:

    https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html?fbclid=IwAR20Y3W8eC5WA3uPG5f0R1Dtiz33rIlhMaLETe6_Jn9iyQZbF-UJXScRwVA
    Think I am allowed to copy a paragraph - "Same day: An employee with a "director" title posted and pinned a message saying the company is changing the CoC to require use of preferred pronouns and avoiding them is forbidden."


    The level of censorship is madness.


  • #73
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    mvl wrote: »
    Have seen a discussion recently about the challenges moderators have today in Stack Overflow when handling gender neutral and more recently preferred pronouns (updates to the Code of Conduct)

    Info at:

    https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html?fbclid=IwAR20Y3W8eC5WA3uPG5f0R1Dtiz33rIlhMaLETe6_Jn9iyQZbF-UJXScRwVA
    Think I am allowed to copy a paragraph - "Same day: An employee with a "director" title posted and pinned a message saying the company is changing the CoC to require use of preferred pronouns and avoiding them is forbidden."


    The level of censorship is madness.

    Yeah, people still think its a bit of a laugh here, and will die off. But my good friend in America tells me that at almost every meeting, workshop, civic gathering, etc people are asked to go round the circle and give their names and pronouns. She says her name, and I refuse. Like the solid gold lady she is.


  • #74
    bunderoon
    Registered Users Posts: 660 ✭✭✭bunderoon


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    The pronoun thing is more for people who identify as non-binary, which is nothing more than an attention grab. They're not trans or gay but want to identify as LGBT and this way is perfect. Their pronouns can also change on a daily basis, depending on whether they feel male, female or neither on the day :rolleyes:

    Could this be where the 'They' & 'Them' comes from? That a person can mentally switch depending on their mood.
    Before 2014, there were many more health professionals than there are now, who wouldn't hesitate to call this by its clinical name.


  • #75
    cj maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,304 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Rologyro wrote: »
    I saw this for the first time today on an Irish LinkedIn profile. Their name was down as “Jane Bloggs (she, her)”. This just annoyed me, I think it’s a way for people to feel sanctimonious about how “woke” they are.

    Do you think this is going to actually catch on?
    I don't understand the question?


  • #76
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Speaking of genders and official forms, the only official form I have come across which has options of Female / Make / Other is the immigration firm/visa application upon entry into Nepal of all countries. Very woke there!


  • #77
    nkl12xtw5goz70
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    I would definitely appreciate potential hires informing me on LinkedIn how woke they are. Bullets dodged.


  • #78
    [Deleted User]
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    antix80 wrote: »
    Antix80. He /him/his

    There are only 2 genders.

    Trans men are not biological men.

    Trans women are not biological women.

    Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

    Mental illness should not be treated with surgery.

    All of these things are true.

    There has never been a more correct post here.


  • #79
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    antix80 wrote: »
    Antix80. He /him/his

    There are only 2 genders.

    Trans men are not biological men.

    Trans women are not biological women.

    Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

    Mental illness should not be treated with surgery.

    All of these things are true.

    You’re confusing gender with sex. Sex is biological and gender is a mix of personal identification and social role. We are born with sex, and we learn gender


  • #80
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    faceman wrote: »
    You’re confusing gender with sex. Sex is biological and gender is a mix of personal identification and social role. We are born with sex, and we learn gender

    No. Apparently we give children chemicals that shrivel up their uteruses, vaginas and penises, leach density from their bones, retard the development of their frontal lobes, drop their IQ by many points and chop off their breasts and penises when they are still in their teens in order to "do" the gender thing. It is very physical in its present manifestation, not at all a learned or internal thing, gender is now absolutely conflated with biological sex on the physical plane in an utter retardation of human reason and compassion.

    ODB, far as I am concerned you can talk about cancer all the time, your mentioning it is one of the most sobering manifestations of sanity on this site. For example I have to go for an uncomfortable procedure soon and I am fwcken squirming non stop at the thoughts of it, but your posts like that are the appropriate kick in the hole for me to stop my grizzling. I wish you all the luck and love in the world.


  • #81
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    antix80 wrote: »
    Antix80. He /him/his

    There are only 2 genders.

    Trans men are not biological men.

    Trans women are not biological women.

    Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

    Mental illness should not be treated with surgery.

    All of these things are true.
    I agree mostly but not the end - what surgery treats mental illness?

    And to be fair, when people identify as the other gender, it is treated as a mental illness initially - to rule that out. Hormonal treatment and gender reassignment are way down the line, and the last resort. They are established medical practices following much research, to be fair. Invasive surgery is never taken lightly.


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  • #82
    Augme
    Registered Users Posts: 5,051 ✭✭✭Augme


    Vicxas wrote: »
    My company is one of those "woke" ones, and all the LGBT people put "schlee/schlim" or whatever they put in their email sigs and wear badges.

    It makes me sick to my stomach that this is what the world is.

    Why don't you quit?


  • #83
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    I agree mostly but not the end - what surgery treats mental illness?

    And to be fair, when people identify as the other gender, it is treated as a mental illness initially - to rule that out. Hormonal treatment and gender reassignment are way down the line, and the last resort. They are established medical practices following much research, to be fair. Invasive surgery is never taken lightly.

    I wouldn’t be so sure. In the UK, there have been cases of minors being prescribed life-changing medication after only a handful of consultations. I read an interview with a former employee of the Tavistock Centre where she said that.

    I don’t think any minor should be given either. The surgery is irreversible. And there isn’t enough data on the effects of the hormonal treatment (and not really any ethical way to figure that out). The human brain isn’t done developing until the early-mid 20s.


  • #84
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I wouldn’t be so sure. In the UK, there have been cases of minors being prescribed life-changing medication after only a handful of consultations. I read an interview with a former employee of the Tavistock Centre where she said that.

    I don’t think any minor should be given either. The surgery is irreversible. And there isn’t enough data on the effects of the hormonal treatment (and not really any ethical way to figure that out). The human brain isn’t done developing until the early-mid 20s.
    It will be interesting to see how the woke handle the backlash that will come 10 to 15 years down the line, when people realise they didn't need the surgery and start questioning why there wasn't stricter controls.


  • #85
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see how the woke handle the backlash that will come 10 to 15 years down the line, when people realise they didn't need the surgery and start questioning why there wasn't stricter controls.

    There are already people speaking out about this. Lawd help them.


  • #86
    cj maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,304 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    First off, I'm hardly the smartest person and don't understand things like 'woke' but what is this thread about ???


  • #87
    high_king
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    Augme wrote: »
    Why don't you quit?

    Why should he ?


  • #88
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users Posts: 13,795 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    cjmc wrote: »
    First off, I'm hardly the smartest person and don't understand things like 'woke' but what is this thread about ???

    Apparently LinkedIn is still in use (possibly more popular than I think, I dunno, never really used it) and people are now putting their preferred pronoun on there so people can correctly label call them by their preferred pronoun.


  • #89
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Rologyro wrote: »
    I saw this for the first time today on an Irish LinkedIn profile. Their name was down as “Jane Bloggs (she, her)”. This just annoyed me, I think it’s a way for people to feel sanctimonious about how “woke” they are.

    She, her


  • #90
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    There are already people speaking out about this. Lawd help them.
    It's dangerous to speak out or question the status quo. People are labelled transphobic, get fired and face abuse on social media. It's crazy.


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  • #91
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Paddy Cow wrote: »
    It's dangerous to speak out or question the status quo. People are labelled transphobic, get fired and face abuse on social media. It's crazy.

    Maya Forstater, for example, who is presently legally defending the right to publicly state that human beings cannot literally change sex - https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/15/researcher-defends-tweets-on-trans-rights-at-employment-tribunal


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