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View Poll Results: Who Will The Dems pick in 2020
Harris 51 6.09%
Bernie 205 24.46%
Clinton 27 3.22%
Brooker 8 0.95%
Biden 352 42.00%
Gillbrand 6 0.72%
Oprah! 41 4.89%
Warren 85 10.14%
Klobuchar 7 0.84%
Michelle Obama 44 5.25%
Cuomo 12 1.43%
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25-09-2020, 10:04   #6601
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Where do you want to start? Here are the 12 yearly signs of fascism



Trump has ticked each one of those boxes already in his first 4 years ^

Just a few days ago he went on live TV and told the world that he will not commit to peaceful transfer of power if he loses. By the time you and your kids are being rounded up and incarcerated it would be a bit too late. Keep in mind some people do like fascism and hate democracy, which seems to be a common marker of a Trump supporter by some sheer coincidence.
I doubt if he even checks one of those boxes.

I saw the "peaceful transfer of power" exchange for myself and what is being reported is a misrepresentation at best.

How is he controlling the media? 90% of TV stations in the US are against him.

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism
America has always been a patriotic country. The left are openly expressing hatred for the US.
2. Disdain for human rights
Any example of this? Enforcing immigration law?
3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
Which enemies are you talking about? Violent antifa or ISIS?
4. Rampant sexism
He is about to appoint a female supreme court judge.
5. Controlled mass media
No example of this... Unless you are talking about social media. What he is attempting to do in that space is admirable and in everyone's best interests
6. Obsession with national security
More obsessed than any previous President? Obama? No. He has tried hard to deescalate tensions with historical enemies.
7. Religion and government intertwined
This has always been a part of American politics.
8. Corporate power protected
Most americans are invested in the stock market.
9. Labor power suppressed
Not sure what you mean by this? Are you a marxist?
10. Disdain for intellectual and the arts
Hmm, I think the people smashing up national monuments tick that box
11. Obsession with crime and punishment
The police in democrat run states are literally not enforcing the law. People's businesses and homes are being wrecked.
12. Rampant cronyism and corruption
Any proof? Please take a look at Hunter Biden.
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25-09-2020, 10:06   #6602
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He has been dismantling democracy for the past year, specifically and bare-facedly in his comments about voting and ballots.

I was asking about your reference to a 'hysterical caricature of Trump that exists only in the media'.
Mail in ballots have been proven to be insecure. The FBI have already found ballots discarded, all for Trump.
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An accusation was laid that he was "dismantling US democracy". Is there any substance to this accusation? Any example of something that he has said to back this up?
Before embarking upon this long discussion with someone who states that they don't believe an allegation against Trump, I cut to the chase to ask them first if they think the allegation is a bad thing.

Otherwise, you spend an hour debating whether he did it or not and then when you present proof that the allegation is true, the Trump supporter usually says "well so what if he did?"
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Mail in ballots have been proven to be insecure. The FBI have already found ballots discarded, all for Trump.
That's a blatant lie. Please provide citation
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That's a blatant lie. Please provide citation
https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/fbi-in...vania-garbage/
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Mail in ballots have been proven to be insecure. The FBI have already found ballots discarded, all for Trump.
Yet Trump uses mail in ballots and encourages the people of Florida to get their mail in ballots.
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That's a blatant lie. Please provide citation
Trump acknowledged himself that some of the mail in ballots were blank. I hope his word can be trusted by his supporters.
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9 Ballots oh no wait there's actually 7

“At this point we can confirm that a small number of military ballots were discarded. . . . Of the nine ballots that were discarded and then recovered, 7 were cast for presidential candidate Donald Trump. Two of the discarded ballots had been resealed inside their appropriate envelopes by Luzerne elections staff prior to recovery by the FBI and the contents of those 2 ballots are unknown.”
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9 Ballots oh no wait there's actually 7

“At this point we can confirm that a small number of military ballots were discarded. . . . Of the nine ballots that were discarded and then recovered, 7 were cast for presidential candidate Donald Trump. Two of the discarded ballots had been resealed inside their appropriate envelopes by Luzerne elections staff prior to recovery by the FBI and the contents of those 2 ballots are unknown.”
So first it was a blatant lie. Now you are picking over numbers. 2 were resealed so we don't know who they were for.
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Trump acknowledged himself that some of the mail in ballots were blank. I hope his word can be trusted by his supporters.
A lie gets halfway around the world before truth puts on its boots, unfortunately
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A lie gets halfway around the world before truth puts on its boots, unfortunately
My understanding is that 7 were for trump and 2 were resealed.

You all really don't think there is a problem with mass mailing ballots to every registered voter and allowing them to be mailed back without verification?

Really?
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My understanding is that 7 were for trump and 2 were resealed.

You all really don't think there is a problem with mass mailing ballots to every registered voter and allowing them to be mailed back without verification?

Really?
Ok, let me answer that with a question. How long has mail in balloting been in operation?
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My understanding is that 7 were for trump and 2 were resealed.

You all really don't think there is a problem with mass mailing ballots to every registered voter and allowing them to be mailed back without verification?

Really?
But Trump loves mail in ballots, he is literally telling people to use mail in voting. So which is it? Good or bad?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...774477314?s=19
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So first it was a blatant lie. Now you are picking over numbers. 2 were resealed so we don't know who they were for.
It's still not true what is attested in the link you provided
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It's still not true what is attested in the link you provided
The original report stated all 9 were for Trump. Only after reviewing the article just now did I see that only 7 were for certain.
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